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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2007, 02:57:20 PM »
Sorry, I didn't read through the article, but just its introduction brought an issue to my mind. Concerning the development of humans, will we strive to eliminate our flaws or to amplify our better qualities? Because in my opinion, having no flaws means that there is no natural direction for the person to go. If you can do anything, why bother?

So if Transhumanism is going for a flawless humanity, thanks, I'll pass, I like being a personality. Being without error is effective, but not very interesting or humane. I think I'll hold on to my "flawed, but perfect" point-of-view for the time being.

Interesting line of thought, though. It's about time someone published that.

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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2007, 04:28:50 PM »
The Permian extinction is believed to be either from an impact event, plate tectonics, or increased volcanism which increased the temperature more than just 8 or 9 degrees. And besides, we're not dumb creatures. We have control over our destiny. The Earth has recovered time and time before, and if we do die (which we won't), it'll be nothing big. It's practically guaranteed there's other intelligent life in the universe, and humanity is just another little part of the big picture.
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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2007, 05:26:08 PM »
The climate warming up is actually not caused by humans, but greatly accelerated by us. After all, the planet is just coming out of an ice age.
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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2007, 05:29:05 PM »
what ^ said

The earth goes through its periods of Warm Ages and Ice Ages. we are about the near ending of a Ice Age. We have just speed up the porcess futher. Eco-Fantics thinks it is just humans
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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2007, 01:08:05 AM »
I'm not saying its just humans as that would be stupid however it is being greatly accelerated by humans (cold periods generally set on quickly not the warming up periods) secondly it is being made worse then it would be by humans.

I know the Permian is generally related to the deacon traps (a major volcanic event) and also to a possible impact, it is however being noticed that there seems to have been die back for considerable time before, also one of the major reasons the climate changed was due to these events altering the way the earths climate worked, if the climate hadn't changed then the extinction would have been no where near as severe, so it seems that climate was changing which was pushing species to the brink and then the events pushed them over, roughly the same can be seen with the KT event.

The earth does change but generally not this quickly, also believe it or not I'd rather people didn't have cars if it saves the lives of millions possibly billions of people who may well include me.
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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2007, 12:44:45 PM »
Look around you.  Those of you who are older will be able to recognize that things have most certainly changed.  When I was a kid, there might have been one or two kids in an entire grade at a school who had asthma.  Not many kids had allergies.  There was only ONE kid out of all that I ever met at school who could have been described as hyper, and I went to several different schools in different areas.  I'm not talking about the broad spectrum of ADHD here - much of that would require diagnosis by a physician as it's not obvious to the general population.  I mean the kids who are in a constant state of super-energized to the point where they can't concentrate or sit still - the ones that are quite obvious even to those who are not trained to spot it. 

Now childhood asthma is common, it seems as though nearly every kid has some sort of allergy, and there are hyper kids everywhere you look.  So what's changed?  Some have suggested that changes and pollutants in our environment and food sources are causing ripple effects of this sort.  If that's true, how much farther will it go?  If it's causing kids to develop health problems now, how bad is this going to get?

I read a few science articles on how global warming was likely to affect weather patterns.  Those particular articles stated that it is not likely to affect the frequency of storms as much as the intensity of those storms.  Hurricanes are stronger, and outlying areas that in the past only got the tail end of a tropical storm could now get hurricanes because the storm doesn't die down as quickly, that sort of thing.

I think most people live in their own egocentric little world in their heads and pay little to no attention to anything that doesn't directly affect them right this minute now.  And that would be why so many people just shrug off environmental concerns such as pollution and global warming.
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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2007, 02:02:59 PM »
Gaia is cutting us down. Diseases are just the planet's white-cells in action.

But global warming is noticeable, even on a small scale. We got snow properly at the end of January, in contrast to the beginning of December ten years ago.
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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2007, 03:09:29 PM »
one of my favorite things is that it seems more of the population is dyspraxic then was originally thought so they've tried giving out Efalex in effect and it works, they are thinking of using it to control prisons in Britain now (I'm not sure but they might already in Denmark and/or the Netherlands).

A lot of people who are diagnosed ADHD have Dyspraxcia (might have spelled that wrong (sorry I'm dyspraxic one of the things is poor spelling)) or some related condition, which means they would be fine if they had the proper support and treatment (i.e. not ritalin as it makes us safe but dumb).

if you think the end of times is upon us then I give you the fact that the mark of the beast is evident, relatively recently we discovered one of the major ways in which plants sense light levels was using a chemical called phytochrome which has the absorbance frequency of 666nm
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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2007, 07:44:06 PM »
I got a foot of snow here. It's the middle of March.

The number of the beast? Please. One: it's 616, not 666. Two: We need to stop listening to the Bible word for word. I've got nothing against religion, but it implyes someone lived to be something like 300 years old and that four horsemen will kill us all.

And I don't consider ADHD a disease. When I have kids, and they talk back to me, I'll spank them. There's a cure for ADHD. Oops, that's child abuse in this politically correct world.
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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2007, 12:15:35 AM »
i agree garth corporal punishment is good for developing into a contributing member of society as long as the rules are clear.

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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2007, 04:11:15 AM »
firstly I know the actual number of the beast (if you want to get into it that much but whats the point) is 616 but in popular culture its 666 hence my statement.  Also i'm an atheist so I think its all bunk (like the books written by moses which include the line "and moses was the most humble of men" which if written by moses is the most arrogant thing to say ever.

ADHD is actually a condition, however I think that most people with it probably have something else but the local diagnostics are not good enough to recognize it.  The reason why ADHD is linked to poor behavior is due to the fact that it means you can't do certain things for example its much harder to learn to read, write or do complicated mathematics as you can't concentrate on one thing for more then a few minutes.  This would be especially true if they are really dyspraxic/dyslexic or something else on the autism spectrum.

Dyspraxics especially seem to be a much higher percentage group of the population then is normally thought, especially in men.

Symptoms include:
difficulty in communication.
dislike of touch (especially unfamiliar touch)
hypersensitivity (so you only feel happy wearing certain fabrics, also the baggy/tightness of clothes is very important, ties are generally not a good thing)
difficulty memorizing number pattens beyond 4 numbers (this is why the pin numbers are 4 numbers (maximum security due to the fact you can remember them and also it gives the maximum number of combinations))
inability to multitask
poor organizational skills
poor nervous system (so hand eye coordination is impaired)

The reason we are seeing a huge increase in the number of these people is A we have become better at seeing them, and B as the correct diet can cause these symptoms to go (i.e. one high in fatty acids) as the quality of diet in the western world falls this is going to become more evident.  How many ADHD children are there in Finland where everyone gets school dinners that are sourced locally from organic sourses? I bet you not many.

One of the problems is that if you are Dyspraxic and of high intelligence then your diagnosed Dyspraxic, if your of average intelligence your ADHD and if your bellow average intelligence your naughty and stupid.

Dyspraxia is almost entirely a condition of the educated classes, while ADHD is almost entirely a condition of the poor.

I'm in university studying biology and I've noticed that a really high percentage of people here doing sciences especially are dyspraxic or dyslexic, which backs up my point entirly I think.

Corporal punishment isn't the best method of disciplining children, psychology is much more effective trust me. glad i'm somewhere corporal punishment is ilegal.
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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2007, 08:26:55 AM »
well now boy-oh i would have to disagree as someone who should be struggling in life. you need physical discipline in order to get proper self motivation. i believe modern psychology is a fucking cult so i think its bullshit. the teachings of Jung replaced the teachings of christ come now its bullshit organized religion in a new shiny package. just because you have some sort of mental/emotional/physical defect dousn't mean theres anything you can't do, thats bullshit anyone can do anything if given the right motivation and due to the way the human mind works, physical punishment is much clearer than anything else in developement of motivations and morals. fuck damn i'm pissed off now.

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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2007, 03:17:01 PM »
well now boy-oh i would have to disagree as someone who should be struggling in life. you need physical discipline in order to get proper self motivation. i believe modern psychology is a fucking cult so i think its bullshit. the teachings of Jung replaced the teachings of christ come now its bullshit organized religion in a new shiny package. just because you have some sort of mental/emotional/physical defect dousn't mean theres anything you can't do, thats bullshit anyone can do anything if given the right motivation and due to the way the human mind works, physical punishment is much clearer than anything else in developement of motivations and morals. fuck damn i'm pissed off now.

To an extent, I agree. Physical punishment is probably the only concrete way of retaining full self-motivation. However, in some people physical punishment can also cause severe psychological problems. Afterall, motivation can be achieved in other forms, such as rewards - maybe not as effective, but certainly ensuring a stable state of mind.

Also, I think forms of punishment as motivation may in fact, in the case of people with mental abilites, only force them to achieve, rather then want to. Therefore, someone with special needs may live in fear of physical punishment - yes, they'll will push themselves in order to develop, but in this case is self-motivation replaced by fear?
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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2007, 06:37:27 AM »
well now boy-oh i would have to disagree as someone who should be struggling in life. you need physical discipline in order to get proper self motivation. i believe modern psychology is a fucking cult so i think its bullshit. the teachings of Jung replaced the teachings of christ come now its bullshit organized religion in a new shiny package. just because you have some sort of mental/emotional/physical defect dousn't mean theres anything you can't do, thats bullshit anyone can do anything if given the right motivation and due to the way the human mind works, physical punishment is much clearer than anything else in developement of motivations and morals. fuck damn i'm pissed off now.

Firstly as someone who has been psychoanalyzed yes I think psychology the pseudo science is rubbish (i.e. psychoanalysis).  however the the idea that the mind is important is still valid, just because Freud and his allies were nutters doesn't mean that the original concept isn't valid, most of our modern world is based on psychology, advertising, marketing, propaganda, traffic management, health and safety laws food packaging, health care etc etc.....

Psychology is mearly working out how peoples minds work and then using this information either to get them to do what you want or to improve their life.  Every time you try to put yourself in someone elses shoes, you are using psychology, every time you try to work out what someone is going to do you are using psychology.   If you ignore it then it can be used against you its like going to war not only without a gun but with a complete absence of any form of knowledge of any projectile weapon. 

When they are little your children look up to you, you are their favorite person in the world, you being demonstratively annoyed, angry, upset with them will often be enough (NO! very loudly and firmly works wonders), there are other things you can do for example when I was little we had a concept of the naughty stair now as I hated to be left out of things this was a big punishment.  Now with this my parents managed to discipline me through out my childhood.

When I was  teenager on occasion due to various reasons (one of the most obvious being the fact that when your going through the various stages of puberty you tend to come into conflict with your parents as your views change, habits alter and so on) I was a bit of a git sometimes.  Now when your a teenager often this is due to some reason in your life (for example girl/boy trouble, difficulty with school work, bullying) so the first method is to try to fix it (i.e. positive action) the sencond method is if the problem has been fixed is to then use negative reinforcement, this can be cutting off allowance, grounding, extra housework, confiscations (i.e. computer games for example) in case of continued unacceptable behavior.

Also try treating children as equals (just think of them as not very experienced adults who have lots of free time) it works wonders.

I'm not saying dyspraxics aren't as good, I think we're better then you normal people I actually pity you people who can't think like we do.  There are certain things we can't do as well however there are many things we can do you lot can't.  Its thought that one of the major things driving forward human development have been people like me, because we come up with new ideas all the time because we look at the world differently, think of the stereotype of the genius inventor/scientist, they are absent minded eccentric and often have great difficulty relating to people all of which are the stereotypes of dyspraxics.  To live in your world we require treatment but thats mainly because your world is so godawful, we run on logic and take what people say at face value, we are truthful and generally pleasant mainly because its harder to lie and we didn't notice if your being insulting or unpleasant.  we get drugged to stop us damaging you lot because sometimes we just get so frustrated at the idiocy of some of you people.  Also its been for most of human history an advantage as if our abililty to spell or do maths isn't an issue we are nothing but an advantage, 200 years ago it was an advantage in 10 20 years it will be an advantage your looking at the last generation of us who will have any major problem with life as after this the world is designed by us.
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Re: transhumanism- a belief that makes sense
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2007, 01:38:07 AM »
i agree with alot of what you say its just i get sick of people saying disciplining children is a terrible thing. and that people with mental/emotional/learning issues shouldn't be treated as equals and held to the same standards. hence why i became pissy. but anyhow good arguement.

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