Nuclear Iran

[Delfos]

Is Iran building nuclear bombs or is this another 'Weapons of Massive Destruction' thing?

In everything i see, there's no concrete proof they are building nuclear bombs. All the European chatting goes "It's very dangerous if they build a nuclear bomb" sure it is, but poor Iranians can't have nuclear power because it's dangerous that they build nuclear bombs? I bet they will try it, if not now, some time later, but England and France have bigger issues, specially England after discovering that they have tons of Plutonium enough to build several thousands of nuclear bombs, and France for the usual, they are the biggest producers of nuclear energy and it's still not clear how many A-Bombs they have. USA goes the same path, even worse when they actually do not let UN investigators in their facilities. But sure, don't they have the right to have nuclear power?

Merkel adverted for stronger sanctions if they cannot prove they are not building atomic bombs. If they can prove it, where will all this conspiracy go? Will the governments (specially USA) loose even more credibility?

[Algerianbania]

It is clear that Iran's policies are quite, how shall I put it, fanatic. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they want to create a nuke. If they do create one after denying that they would, then they will receive the hammer of the UN (aka America) on their asses. If Ahmadinejad is too thick and ignorant to see that, then he will be up to his eye-balls in a war that he cannot possibly win.

[Delfos]

erm don't mess blue helmets with the US Army please. UN never approved Iraq and i doubt it will approve an invasion of Iran. NATO will be the main response if anything, France already shown the will for a war against Iran...

But the question isn't military, is political, is this just a trick or is it necessary? if this is just a trick, when discovered, will everyone of the western world that supported it loose credibility and Middle East gets off the hook, or will it continue pressuring the Islamic Middle East?

[Union]

NUCLEAR POWER FOR ALL!!! RESIST THE CONTROL OF THE IMPERIAL WESTERNERS TYRANTS!!! GOLDEN ERA FOR THE EAST ONCE MORE!!!

[Tacolicious]

I really wish I knew what to believe on the situation. But I have no faith in the media and no "on the ground" experience on which to form a meaningful opinion. What does concern me is that even if it is just for powering people's homes isn't there a more eco-friendly way to do it. Nuclear power anywhere is still more nuclear waste on the planet. I'd think Iran would be a great place to establish large scale solar and wind power plants.

[Delfos]

true, more expensive but much better results in long term period. But don't forget Iran has allot of population, if going that way, they actually need something to boost their energetic power instead of petrol, means more exports. Anyway i do believe you have a strong point, EU is trying to help AU to establish clean energy instead of rushing to nuclear or other sources, such as coal which they have quite some...more exploitation of any sector of a nation for coal energy? they need safe long term clean energies if you ask me, going to coal will rush them into a social/environmental crisis, i thought they had enough of that without exploiting coal.

[Tacolicious]

Well the expense is a moot point to me. As far as I'm concerned if the US is so gung-ho about keeping Iran nuclear free they can take some of the $1B/week they spend to continue to occupy Iraq and invest it into R&D in green energy for Iran and the rest of the world.

As the saying goes, You can bomb the world into pieces; but you can't bomb the world into peace.

[Myroria]

It's hardly a good thing if they're building nukes, but it doesn't justify an invasion unless he really wants to use them or does use them.

[Delfos]

so there's no problem right now, right?

[Tacolicious]

It's hardly a good thing if they're building nukes, but it doesn't justify an invasion unless he really wants to use them or does use them.

I'm not saying take the Iraq invasion fund and make it the Iran invasion fund. I'm saying take the Iraq Invasion fund, get out of Iraq, take all that money and use it to fund research and development of green power based in the US... I figure $1B/week of funding into scientific research of safe renewable energy will get you some good results, build American jobs... once you have a really good system for generating all this power safely. Use some of the $1B/week as foreign aid to let Iran build the green power plants.... and then just keep funding it the world over and boom, energy crisis gone... greenhouse gas emissions drastically down and the Iraq war is over taboot... and the demand for oil drops that's the next few military quagmires gone too.

Pretty common sense when you think about it, but it doesn't make a few old white guys in suits insanely rich so I guess it'll never work.

[Osamafune]

Yeah, I understand why you would eventually need a renewable source of energy, but wouldn't creating such energy forms in the US be kinda... I don't know, expensive? We outsource everything because US workers expect higher wages. The higher the wages a company has to pay, the higher the cost of the product.

[Tacolicious]

Well I'm thinking keep the research in the states and domestic production as well. A well paid worker, and lower unemployment numbers, it'd probably stop the US's economy from it's continued free fall. Like I said, $1B/week on Iraq, that's some pretty nice subsidies for the industry so they can easily afford to pay their employees well.

Protecting the bottom line should not be the primary concern, and these days it feels like it's becoming the only concern. Sure maybe the rich don't get to be that much richer, but the poor don't have to be that much poorer either. Seems like a fair trade off to me.

[Ess]

http://www.infowars.net/articles/september2007/050907Iran_war.htm

I think the US is leading up to an attack on Iran.   

This is interesting, as well:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egodlikeproductions%2Ecom%2Fbbs%2Fmessage%2Ephp%3Fmessageid%3D423306%26mpage%3D1%26showdate%3D8%2F12%2F07%26forum%3D1

Changed his tune, eh?!   

[Eientei]

It seems we haven't learned our lesson - force is only to be used as the very last resort.  The US military is stretched so thin these days, in any case, that I don't know how this or the next president could possibly sustain a conflict with Iran without reactivating the draft.

The neocons are no better than a bunch of poisonous snakes.

[Union]

Photovoltaic solar energy is not cleaner then nuclear, the energy and material its takes to make these solar cells cancel out the benefits. Plus we have to remember that solar cells degrade over time, hence losing efficiency each year. Besides, Iran has a huge chunk of desert where it can store the nuclear waste in. I think the worst thing to happen with a nuclear Iran is radioactive contamination of the region (both accidental and purposely, depending on the mood of those local religious warlords).