Nuclear Iran

[Delfos]

If not, you're denying my right to ride a bike for your bike's safety, and not for your own safety. Still the important factor is that, everyone is entitled to have their own bikes, I don't give a shit if you do not like that I have a bike or not, just leave me alone with it and see my stunts if you want. Does that serve you?

[Eientei]

Sure, it's like having bikes, only our bikes have the power to end each other's lives.  I don't know where you're going with this analogy.  I don't support military action against Iran, but the situation has to be handled very carefully and with a mind for what the region might look like in five, ten, twenty years.  Oh, diplomacy.

[Gulliver]

"Maybe it's time to elect a new president" is a suggestion to do so immediately or in the new future Delfos, and more importantly that you're making the suggestion implies that you don't expect it to happen otherwise. The only reason to suggest or tell someone to do something that you already know that they're going to do or expect them to is to needlessly push and prod their buttons. My insinuation was quite sensible.

And I am still completely lost as to the whole Iran is dangerous but not a threat argument. I'm pretty sure that something which is dangerous is by definition a threat in some capacity.

[Bender1968]

OK, you do dangerous stunts in your bike and you hit my car.  My car is dented possibly more and you are hurt and are possibly killed.  Now who's at fault?  Its the person in the car, that's how it is in the US, maybe its different in Portugal.  Should your parents have taken away your bike when they knew you were being reckless?  Should your neighbors have told your parents that you were being reckless?  If your parents know that you're already reckless, should they even trust you with a bike?  You don't want me to take your bike, but you're showing you're a hazard and couldn't care less about oncoming traffic.  So we're now supposed to change roads so you can do what ever stunts you want?  So the further you want to go closer to traffic the more we're supposed to change roads and driving styles?  That is unrealistic and never going to happen.  If I just take away your bike, I avoid a lot of problems from coming up.  I know you're going to say you can walk in traffic then.  When you're going slower it gives a driver in a car more time to react and avoid an accident and there's a lot less damage if its just you rather than you and a bike. 

If you see a 10 year old playing with a knife, do you sit by and let them finally hurt themselves or do you stop them before they have a chance to cut themselves or stab someone else?  Do you tell their parents that you caught them with a knife? 

You can't put a dome around Iran so that they only hurt themselves.

Since you have a bike, do you ride around cars doing stunts?  If your parents caught you riding around cars, would they take away your bike and punish you or would they say "if he gets hit, he gets hit"?

[Delfos]

but you are already assuming he's crashing his bike at your car. Why can't you just let people ride their bikes? What kind of dictator are you that doesn't let me and my friends ride our bikes as we please?

[Bender1968]

I haven't assumed anything, you said you want to ride your bike where ever you want and leave you alone.  I'm telling you if you and your friends want to ride in traffic, you need your bikes taken away from you.  Do you ride your bikes into oncoming traffic?  Isn't riding your bike into oncoming traffic riding where ever you please?  Just by your statement, shouldn't I act accordingly?  What re-assurance are you giving me that you won't ride into oncoming traffic?  How do I know that you're not suicidal?  That's not being dictatorial if you're acting in an irresponsible manner to take away your bike or not even let you have one.

[Delfos]

why are you trying to assume I'm suicidal or anything? People are free exactly because people don't assume he's going to do something stupid 5 min from now. Otherwise, like in many cases, it's freedom raping (and if applied to 1 human, is against human rights) to assume he's going to do anything wrong when he didn't do anything at all.

[Aquatoria]

You know, Iran should no longer be our top worry. The West should be worrying about a new Eastern alliance called the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. This is an alliance between Russia, China, and four Central Asian nations with six other Asian nations including Iran and India as observers and future members. This is a anti-NATO. I would rather fear this alliance then just Iran.

[Bender1968]

When have I assumed anything?  I noticed that you don't answer my questions but tell me I'm assuming things.    The only thing I'm assuming is you don't ride your bike around traffic, weaving in and out to do your stunts.  If that's the case, why would I take away your bike?  If you told you parents that you could wait to weave in and out of cars, would they let you have a bike?  There is a difference between freedom and complete anarchy.  

[Delfos]

I'm actually free to do that, and I would do without a problem, if you do have a problem then you're restricting my freedom. You ARE assuming he's evil and he's going to crash the bike on your car. Why do you let England ride their bikes then?

[Bender1968]

England has yet to say they are going to play in traffic and have shown that they are stable people.  Iran has been in turmoil for 30 years now.  They are not a stable regime and the region is far from stable.   

I actually like Gaddafi style

It took 18 F-111's to change his mind about hearing Allah out in the desert and the he should play nice with the international community.

Iran just doesn't want to see the obliteration of Israel and the U.S., they want to to anything that isn't an ultra-conservative Muslim destroyed.  Since over 84% of Portugal is Roman Catholic, guess what, you've been threatened. Guess what they mean by "decadent West"? 

Still think Iran going Nuclear is a good idea?

[Delfos]

yes, I don't have a problem. and your stats must be heavily outdated, although we come from a very catholic past, like any other European country. Religion isn't their problem, it wasn't the catholics or the Europeans that supported the wrong man in Iran. I don't assume Iran is evil, and I don't assume they will have guts to threat Europe, and they don't have any excuse to do it, since Europe is the main importer and exporter from Iran. I'm pretty fine with Iran, yes. If they do launch a nuke to, let's imagine, Portugal, well, that would be unexpected, but that's how life is. Although you must consider that this scenario is far from ever becoming true. Specially when everyone knows Iran isn't building any nuclear weapons.

[Meridianland]

But if Iran does launch a nuke, the superior early warning technology will allow people enough time to escape on bikes.   

Iran just doesn't want to see the obliteration of Israel and the U.S., they want to to anything that isn't an ultra-conservative Muslim destroyed. 

So bacon is out of the question then?

[Anniane]

I have a solution.

We let people ride bikes, but only of this kind:



No crashes at high speeds, everyone is safe!

[Delfos]

that's a series of exercises, mind those bikes aren't meant, but still are ride'able