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Offline Gulliver

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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2007, 01:24:01 PM »
I presume that this is more of your Mediest philosophy that I must go and read then...

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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2007, 05:52:18 AM »
My favorite quote from the Bible, aside from most of the book of Acts:

Quote from: Ecclesiastes 9:11
I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.


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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2007, 06:39:03 AM »
lolz no...

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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2007, 02:18:59 PM »
My favorite quote from the Bible, aside from most of the book of Acts:

Quote from: Ecclesiastes 9:11
I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

That's a very good one, G-C!  It's entirely true, yet many people (some of which have even read the entire Bible) seem to think it God makes everything happen on purpose and nothing is left to chance, then hate "religion" when something happens that hurts them.  They use the passages about a "Divine Plan" as an excuse to blame a higher power for all of their problems by choosing to interpret it as every single little thing being God's action.  The distinction between God existing outside of time and therefore knowing what will happen and actually making your life go the way it does is lost to them.

Anyway, enough of my ranting.  Back to the subject at hand.

Let's face it: you can't have free-will AND fate.  It does not compute.  There would be no point in a code of ethics or anything in the Bible whatsoever existing if you did not have the choice to do as you pleased, and that means choices other people make or random factors can affect you.  Period.  Bad things can and will happen to a good person, but that does not mean God is punishing that good person or "allowing it to happen and therefore consenting, meaning He did do it after all" or any of that rubbish.  In my opinion, unpopular as it may be in certain circles, God is letting the world get on with it's business and simply "hopes" (though that's a terrible word for it) that we choose to be kind, loving people.

I completely lied after my first paragraph.  That was another rant, after all. ;D

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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2007, 03:28:29 PM »
but you can have an illusion of both

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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2007, 04:07:13 AM »
I completely lied after my first paragraph.  That was another rant, after all. ;D

Well, as long as we're ranting, I might as well explain why I like the quote.  The concept advanced by Ecclesiastes puts the lie to the ideologyof the natural aristocracy and to social darwinism.  One might not owe one's success or failure solely to talent, or to education, or to making the right choices.  "Time and chance," which I define as pre-existing environmental factors, play a role in determining success or failure.


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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2007, 05:06:32 PM »
For those who want free will and fate not to cancel out each other, there's always destiny.
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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2007, 08:47:39 PM »
Life - sometimes fair; sometimes not.  Lots of variables...  :shrug:

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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2007, 12:31:57 AM »
Life's fair. You lose a job, no problem, get a new one. Whole new direction in life. People who bitch about "life isn't fair" are usually the people who say "Life is short", which annoys me even more. Life's long, you get 80 years and the modern generation using computers now will probably hit 100. Be glad this isn't Ancient Egypt when you die at 40.
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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2007, 12:48:00 AM »
If life wasn't "fair," not everyone would even be dealt a "hand" at all.

I believe they're called still-borns Soly.

And free will and fate can co-exist. Just because there are things larger then us doesn't mean we're powerless, and that we have free will doesn't mean that everything is completely random. It just means that sometimes no matter how hard you swim the current is going to sweep you the way it wants to sweep you. Free will and omnipotence are not the same thing.
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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2007, 12:57:16 AM »
In some cases, life is completely fair, in other cases it's not

In the cases it is,  people who work hard succeed, people who are lazy do not!

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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2007, 01:18:43 AM »
In some cases, life is completely fair, in other cases it's not

In the cases it is,  people who work hard succeed, people who are lazy do not!

Every rich kid is a hard worker? Lord know all those Kennedy grand kids were hard working folk *rolls eyes a full 720 degrees due to the extreme sarcasm*
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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2007, 01:24:16 AM »
trust-fund babies would be a case of not fair
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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2007, 12:41:21 AM »
Plenty of hard workers get the crap kicked out of them by life. Sugar cane farmers, chocolate farmers, coffee farmers, sweat shop labour.... exploited by people too much money and too few scruples
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Re: Is life fair?
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2007, 12:57:00 AM »
those were bad examples coco farmers have a crop that is worth quite a bit. sugar i am not sure so for now i will skip that. and the last sweat shops.  it seems bad, but the wages they are payed are equal or greater than the averages of the country they are in, and more than if they were to farm or crafts and the like, the conditions suck but they are being payed well for the work. and child labor is wrong but if it wasnt for that they would go hungry or would be forced into prostitution. so thing to the standards of our well developed countries are bad but in all countries there was or are sweat shops and it is a part of development, be it an ugly part, but it is, and it brings a better life that if there was none
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