Gun Control

[Talmann]

Just so everyone knows what we're talking about when we say 2nd Amendment:

Amendment II-Right to bear arms
A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Oh, and I had an idea to stop gun violence thats also impossible: Go back in time and prevent gunpowder from invention! Then we wouldn't have to worry about oppression or unfair fights, now would we? [/sarcasm]

[Delfos]

if gunpowder wasnt invented, what would americans bear if not pistols?

[Solnath]

With all those commas in that quote, you can interpret that in many ways. Also, your Founding Fathers didn't really have a knack for grammar, did they?

[Delfos]

what do you mean

[Delfos]

http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/BELIEVEGUNCONTROL.htm

hahaha! What a brain wash! now i know where you guys get those crasy ideas! It's worse than a Communist Youth seminar, B R A I N   W A S H

[Khablan]

if gunpowder wasnt invented, what would americans bear if not pistols?

My vote would be rolling pins.  Don't tell me you've never been to a rolling pin throwing contest?  It's a favorite at some of the county fairs.  lol

With all those commas in that quote, you can interpret that in many ways. Also, your Founding Fathers didn't really have a knack for grammar, did they?

Back then, a lot of the writing was lousy.  Thus the loophole that everyone argues over.  Some believe that the last half means that the government cannot place -any- limits on it at all.  The vast majority do believe some limits are necessary - they just don't agree on where that line should be drawn.

[Myroria]

Not to mention if private gun ownership was illegal, there'd be no way to revolt against a coup. That's the reason the Founding Fathers put that in there, to allow the populace to fight a takeover.

[The Empire]

So, Garth, how would you feel if Handguns eg: pistols & revolvers were outlawed but rifles was still allowed as before, do you see that as a limitation on your defencive capability vs. a corrupt state?

[Ryazania]

I most certainly would. Close-range combat is common in revolts, and I would rather have a pistol than an 30.06 in that situation.

[Myroria]

Agreed. Soldiers don't have only rifles, so why should civilians in the same wartime situation?

[The Empire]

Ok, so even if it would save thousands of innocent lives anually if handguns are removed from society and you would still be able to have rifles for defence you would rather have them die just IN CASE the government YOU elect gets out of control DESPITE of the three-split power structure designed to prevent it?

[Ryazania]

Prove to me, with evidence and research, that illegalize handguns will decrease deaths. Oh, wait, I already provided sources that point to the contrary.

Criminals who want to kill, and want to use a gun to do it, will get one whether or not it is legal. Banning something does not remove it from society.

[Talmann]

Not to mention rifles can still be concealed, albeit not as easily, to kill innocents. Moreover, rifles have more power making one shot, one kill easier. And since people want to own guns, and you outlaw handguns, you're basically saying you want the average person to own more powerful weapons. How nice of you, hypocrit. 

[Solnath]

You do realise that gun-control is a long-tem solution?

[Myroria]

But neoliberals don't realise that, Ryazania. They think they are fighting for the rights of people, but they want just as many things illegal as conservatives.

Neoliberals also believe that banning something = problem fixed. Just look at Prohibition: alcohol-related crimes skyrocketed, instead of going down. That's a surprise. Now, let's take the lessons learned from Prohibition and apply it to gun control: Make guns illegal, and every angst-filled teenager and their friends will want to challenge "the Man". If you tell someone not to do something, they want to do it. Its human nature. And to Soly's post: Again, look at Prohibition. In the long term it got worse rather than better.