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Offline Lapeirousia

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chainmail
« on: November 13, 2013, 10:37:52 PM »
actually it's not really a chainmail but I did find this in my inbox:

"Thanks to all for today’s fellowship.  I always come away from our group feeling the better for it.

I looked up the biblical quotation I was trying to remember and it is from Matthew 10 v 16:  “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.”

I also found this great illustration of what it can mean in modern life in commentary on the film Captain Phillips, which I saw recently with Tim.  It is based on a true story about an American ship which was attacked by Somali pirates:

‘Captain Phillips is based on the true story of the Maersk Alabama, its crew and most importantly its captain. And Phillips is, in many ways, just the sort of man you'd hope a captain to be.

Initially, some of his crew think their cap'n is a little too pernickety over safeguarding the ship and conducting drills to prepare for an attack. But their minds change fast when the pirates actually come. "Stick together, and we'll be just fine," Phillips tells his crew over the radio. "Good luck."

They do stick together, even though Phillips and a couple of crewmen are taken hostage. When the chief pirate, Muse issues a ship wide threat, telling the hiding crew that they'll shoot somebody every minute until the rest reveal themselves, Phillips demands they shoot him first—and eventually manages to talk Muse out of shooting anyone at all.

When that immediate danger is passed, Phillips manages—even in captivity—to direct his crew through the dangerous cat-and-mouse game they're forced to play, helping them evade the pirates. And he continues to match wits with Muse and his men. He bandages up one of the pirates' wounds to earn a little sympathy. He resists when he feels he has to. And in every conversation, he probes for any sort of advantage he can find.

The Bible tells us to be as shrewd as serpents and as harmless as doves. Phillips, forced into a position where he can do very little actual harm, proves to be quite wily. And when the might of the American military arrives to settle the matter once and for all, Phillips pleads—as much as he can—for mercy to be shown to a particularly young pirate.’

Have a good week everyone!"

Actually find it quite amusing as the person who told me I was acting like a sheep amongst wolves was also named Tim!  If you think this letter is stupid, don't reply as if I wrote the thing, but by all means share your thoughts if you want, no matter how opposite they may be.

I should add, I'm really not on any mission by the way.
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Re: chainmail
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 11:09:35 PM »
I question the objective of this topic, are we going to discuss the movie Captain Phillips, the ethical choices or Bible's moral code?

Bible: I have the utmost respect for religion and it's beliefs, but I hate the organizations. I hate the Church (when I say "the church" I usually mean the WHOLE catholic church), churches in general, bible groups, most if not all priests and pastors. They normally prey (not pray) and becomes a marketing operation. Most of them help others with the sole intent of publicity. They might mean well but they've been entangled on this religious net of guilt and compromise that is antagonistic to tolerance and freedom of thought which leads to progress.
The Bible has been used too much and too often to justify the most intolerance and tyranny, torture, cultural obliteration, and other crap. I've read part of the Bible, parables are very good just like in the Torah, truly helps you think of ethical/moral choices. I prefer to think of ethics with my own experience and collective culture.

That's all I think when someone tries to use the Bible to prove a point.

Collective culture may include movies, but it's for your own experience, you should never use movies as basis for an ethical choice :P

About the movie, I think it's late, piracy problems were hip 2 or more years ago. Is it supposed to be inspiring? You have the movie Perfect Storm which probably is a nicer approach to sea problems :P

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Re: chainmail
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2013, 12:08:17 AM »
I haven't seen a perfect storm nor have I seen the movie mentioned above.  I haven't read the bible but I have read part of it.  I have heard about 2 lectures on ethics but haven't taken any ethics modules.  So I can't discuss those topics but you are welcome to discuss them if anyone will discuss them with you.

I wasn't taking a view, although you may find someone else's view in the letter.

My view that I took was that it was almost ironic that Tim on nationstates used the same phrase sheep among wolves on me, as the letter used the same name and phrase and I found it in my inbox while I was looking for steam.

I've never described myself as apostate so I won't now.  I do think religion should be questioned almost as much as politics is, but I don't think questioning is enough, I think you need to have inspiration from somewhere whether it is from within yourself, or beliefs, ideas, whatever you get inspiration from.

Ethics is always debatable so religion is easier from that point of view, but harder in other ways because of its side-effects.  Like you said.  I used to want to be a nihilist but actually I think the ideal belief system is believing in yourself, because that's almost the same except for when you embody really awesome things not just empty things.  This is why other regions are successful, because they eschew a system and devolve into a cult of personality, which is what passes for politics.
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Re: chainmail
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2013, 01:47:38 AM »

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Re: chainmail
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2013, 04:21:09 AM »
A cult of personality is like chainmail, cheap, effective for many purposes, but weak against serious problems.
                                 
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Re: chainmail
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2013, 05:57:20 AM »
...but I don't think questioning is enough, I think you need to have inspiration from somewhere whether it is from within yourself, or beliefs, ideas, whatever you get inspiration from.

Pure skepticism may be purposeless, but I don't think inspiration is necessary to question something. One can argue that a proposition is false/inconsistent/etc. without offering an alternative; ideas are only needed insofar as they provide a framework in which to make the argument.

Unrelated note: how can we discuss anything with such unbearable adorab OH GOD THE TURTLE IS SO CUTE
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Re: chainmail
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2013, 11:47:42 AM »
The turtle is trying to fly :)