Bush U-turns in environmentalism

[Solnath]

Best case scenario:

Constant population growth,
Constant population culling.


And they call me evil!

[Delfos]

where did you heard that? EU has policies against food waste. The latest one says the fishermen can't throw the fish back to the sea whether it's going to be sold or not. When you catch a fish that fish is already damaged, most of them are already dead. So whatever you catch can be sold, even to produce sea food mixtures. Actually imo we have the most restricting rules over any kind of waste, and we hold up to them.

Is there recycling in your town? All western EU recycles (as far as i know), plus the rest if they do not recycle they will implement that issue to their nation.

10 billion? we already have too much people, that's shown everywhere, from catastrophic changes in climate to food chains or anything. We are destructing ourselves, the nature and other species. The next era will wipe most of the human population or maybe all of it and we're responsible.

[Myroria]

Actually, Delfos, Bush has repelled many terrorist attacks. Even if you disagree with him, which virtually everyone does, you've gotta admit he's really good at detecting and stopping attacks in America and Britain.

Secondly:




Thirdly:

At our current rate, it will take about 13,600 years for the oceans to boil from global warming. It will take something like 4,400 years for the average temperature to reach the uncomfortable 30 degrees Celcius.

Not to mention in ~250 years every fossil fuel will be used up. We'd have to try to destroy the Earth for us to continue global warming. So spew out that carbon!

[Solnath]

Oh yes, and what about the 250 year downhill slope when we're running out of energy?

[LLANYDERN]

its a historical fact, food products were (and to my best knowledge still) are stockpiled till they go off or are destroyed rather then lower the market price with the suplus, don't you remember the butter and beef mountains to name just the most well known examples.

Yes there is recycling, I live in wales where recycling is taken quite seriously by the regional government, however in some places its not really recycled its just moved and burned/buried, also a lot of what is recycled is shipped around the world to china and India who deal with it causing huge pollution there.  Add this to the fact that its a pretty much futile act unless everyone does it and the fact that some of the local bodies charge to have it done (so we pay them to take it away and then they get money for it from the other end).  

Its not warming that we should be worried about its the shifting of currants and ecotones that should be worrying people.  Also if we bring temperatures beyond a certain temperature then we get a feedback loop from carbon sinks.

Also bush was great at stopping the last two British attacks and the one in spain.

10-11 billion is the calculated level at which the earth can support without much difficulty, i.e. no huge measures have to be taken.  15 billion if we don't mind having cut backs in our lives (for example permanent rationing) and if we don't mind living in a world somewhat altered by climate change.  20-25 billion is the level at which climatic disasters would be a normal occurrence and we would have to have complete central control over all human activities, especially agriculture.

Admittedly I'd rather live in the 10-11 billion one then the others and this looks to be the level that humanity will stop at (hopefully) and so it is the one that the sensible scientists are planning for (for sensible read not wildly optimistic but not the ones that scream we're all going to die)

However of course biologists and ecologists and climatologists could if we wanted to cause an ice age with only a few billion pounds.

Trust me this has been a major part of my Degree I know what i'm talking about.

[Delfos]

Bush stopped the attacks? no! Americans did! omg I'm stereotyping! Bush is also very good in funding and increasing terrorism, mostly why Spain haven't had more attacks was because they actually done what Al Qaeda asked. Same goes to Italy that pulled out his forces and hasn't been attacked.

[LLANYDERN]

the attacks in Britain were not done by foreign terrorists they were done by British born citizens with no or minimal links to any formal organization.

[Talmann]

Oz- yes, I like the Riverwalk, myself. 'Specially since my uncle designed it.
Kor- OMG, Gore's running? Wow, guys, he's super serial... we better watch out for Manbearpig... lol. Gore ain't gonna win. Period.
Sol- Humans are innovative. We might go into a small "dark age" (literally), but we'll find other power sources.

[Solnath]

Tal, of course, but it'll most likely be exclusive to the First World countries. Talk about global equality.

[Myroria]

What does Al-Qaeda ask? Free criminals? Help destroy innocent nations? Yes, let's back down to them, woo, that's genius.

[Talmann]

Nobody said life was fair. Who said we had to be equal? And if anybody in those first-world countries cries out for it, we can tell them to bring the said technology to the third-world themselves.

[Myroria]

Oh, and Soly: Use nuclear power. It's fine until we come up with something better. Ignore the enviromentalists. This is the future of the human race at stake here. They'll have to deal with nuclear power until a feasible alternative shows up.

[Delfos]

lol, Soly has a point. Anyway, we're already finding new sources of power, why can't the 'mightiest country in the world' (USA), help and find actual ones? Portugal had a great deal about bio-diesels, and we're poor, imagine if we were 'as mighty' as USA. What i mean is, USA is wasting potential, looking at their own bellies proof of that is wasting 75% of the world's oil i still can't believe how that is possible.

Nuclear isn't that safe. Chernobyl shows that exactly. It's hard and not very good if you want to close a nuke center, like in Spain. They can't figure a way to close the bloody central.

[Myroria]

Chernobyl was the only accident that ever occured in the nuclear power age. Three Mile Island was just a big scare.

And about the USA finding alternatives: Come here and walk through any big city. Most Americans are more liberal than you and complain about the environment all day.

Conclusion:

Earth is a six-sextillion ton ball of iron. It is built to last. We're not gonna go fuck it up anytime soon.

[Zimmerwald]

The world can produce a lot more food then it does now without adverse affects to the worlds climate, however it would be better if the population tailed off about 10 billion (this is the best case scenario) as declining world population and booming world populations cause problems.

To give you an example, the EU destroys food rather then selling it to keep prices artificially high.

See, the best way to get rid of excess food without selling it would be...GIVING IT AWAY, but nobody's going to do that.