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WHat do you think the best form of Government is?

Monarchy (Constitutional)
6 (15.8%)
Monarchy (Absolute or other)
2 (5.3%)
Authoritarian (Republic only)
1 (2.6%)
Republic (Democratic)
17 (44.7%)
Anarchy
4 (10.5%)
Theocracy
0 (0%)
Police or military State
1 (2.6%)
Autocracy (Dictatorship)
2 (5.3%)
Tribalism
1 (2.6%)
Other, Please state?
4 (10.5%)

Total Members Voted: 38

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Offline Solnath

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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2007, 09:51:13 AM »
If everyone ruled no one except themselves, we would have anarchy.
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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2007, 10:05:39 AM »
i honestly believe that there should be a democratic republic in which the federal govornment is only in charge of maintaining the armed forces and making sure the economy prevails. all other power should be localized. i believe each county should self govorn for the most part, set up whatever regulations you wish. so if maine wanted to be a libertarian paradise it could, if northern california wanted to be completely communal (much like communist except not world wide) it could and florida could continue screwing up their own elections. basicly don't baby sit let the people decide what they want in their own neck of the woods.

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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2007, 10:40:08 AM »
in theory the systems are perfect, otherwise they wouldn't be political systems ever considered to be considerable

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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2007, 10:47:28 AM »
I have yet to hear valid arguments against making me the absolute ruler.
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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2007, 11:40:30 AM »
I ahev answered the question, but I would have found it easier if I had known the context of the question.

For example, are we talking for a NAtionstates region? Real life nation? Nationstates nation?

Also, what may be the best form of government in a large, industrialised state would not be the best form of government in, say, a bronze age city state. "Best" is a very subjective word.

I have picked the form of government I would most like to live under. But that is not necessarily the "best" one.

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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2007, 11:41:46 AM »
Why is Monarchy not under Autocracy?
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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2007, 01:31:50 PM »
*realises that we do not have a ROFLMAO expressive icon*

man, this kind of topics...

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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2007, 03:51:08 PM »
It's a theory of government. And again, in theory, it works. Like socialism. But the difference is mine hasn't been tried, so we don't know. Socialism fails every time.

And you don't need to rule absolutely to be a king. You just need to inherit the throne. Like you criticizing the USA, Delfos, you need to research before you criticize. Again you've run out of arguments against me, so you turn to blunt insults like insinuating I get bedtime stories at night. Hey, that might work if you're on CNN.

Here's democracy for you:

"Speaker of the House, we've just been attacked! We need to go to war!"

"WAIT. WE NEED TO VOTE ON THIS."

*six months later, among the rubble of the House*

"OK, we can go to war."
« Last Edit: August 29, 2007, 03:55:32 PM by Libertarian Monarchy of Myroria »
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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2007, 12:32:45 PM »
hm hm? might fail in USA, not exactly everywhere...it's slowly working in here, but the government has better things to do than sit and be true socialist. I know it's possible, just not possible in USA because of £@§@£€£ like you.

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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2007, 02:21:10 AM »
i thinl that pur is correct Confederacy is the best form for government the states should be the ones to decide what is best for them not the feds what is right for one area isnt gonna be right for every where the fed should watch out for the nation as a whole security wise but not in domestic way
Confederacy = power flows from the state to the feds
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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2007, 05:32:56 AM »
I call my preferred form of government Council Democracy, as it is based off a system of workers' councils.  It's very similar to Syndicalism, in that it's based off the workplace.  Basically, it looks like this:

All the workers in a given workplace (i.e. a factory, retail outlet, farm, and also the armed forces) are members of their Workplace Council.  Each Workplace Council governs the affairs of its members inside the workplace.  It is a forum where members can air grievances, suggest changes, and basically speak about any relevant subject.  If a change is to be adopted, it must be approved by a simple majority vote.  The members also elect one of their number to speak for their workplace at the Industrial Council.  This member is recall-able at any time.

The Industrial Council is made up of these representatives from the Workplace Council, and represents all the workers in a particular industry.  There might be a Farm Workers' Council, a Steelworkers' Council, a Soldier's Council, etc.  The main responsibility of this level of Council is to ascertain the productive capacity of each workplace, and to disseminate beneficial changes from one workplace to another.  For example, if workplace A adopts a more efficient system, the Industrial Council exists so every other workplace in that industry can learn about and implement this change.  The Industrial Council then elects one of its members to the Executive Council.  This representative is recall-able at any time.

The Executive Council is empowered to concoct the national economic plan based on the information provided by the Workplace and Industrial Councils about productive capacity.  That is, it sets goals to the workplaces on how much they will produce.  Individual Workplace Councils may withhold their productive capacity if they feel the demands placed upon them are unreasonable.  If this happens, the Executive Council is expected to moderate its demands, though it may not demand less than the Workers Council felt to be its productive capacity (see second paragraph).  It also oversees fair distribution of resources, and surplus resources (minimum resource allocation to individuals is decided by the Industrial Councils) are remanded to itself.  With these surplus resources, it may perform all the functions of a national government.

This system is meant to be as democratic as possible, and reflects the fact that political power stems from productive power.  It is a Federal system, I guess, but the federated entities are not geographic states, but are instead very small productive units. 

Also, Myroria's criticism of democracy two posts ago assumes that both citizens and representatives are morons.  Historically, if a democracy feels it's been attacked, it responds incredibly quickly.  Look at the Mexican War.  The United States wasn't even attacked on its soil (the soil was disputed at best), its army was far smaller than Mexico's, it was totally unprepared, even though it had faced a major diplomatic crisis only months before (over Oregon), and yet it won the war.  Why?  Because democracies can respond quickly, and because procedure, bureaucracy, and lengthy debate are consigned to peacetime.  If a people is attacked, it knows to fight back immediately, and with all of its strength.

Now, you're completely right that democracies are incredibly reluctant to take part in aggressive or preemptive war, and those wars are correctly subjected to long debate and popular input, both before and after they are entered into.  But I see this as a good thing.  Don't you?
« Last Edit: August 31, 2007, 06:09:14 AM by Gallipoli-China »


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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2007, 07:16:36 AM »
a very good system indeed but i still prefer a confederacy. but then again i am all for self determination even with the systems we use.

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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2007, 07:30:52 AM »
What exactly do you mean by "self-determination"?  To me, this phrase means "national self-determination," but you may mean something entirely different.


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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2007, 07:36:50 AM »
indevidual self determination.

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Re: Best form of Government is..?
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2007, 07:39:20 AM »
but council isn't an option :p and in my version the council is quite larger and more 'republic' style, the ones in the assembly are, in example of the workers, the working leaders, or working syndicate leaders. And head of the assembly would be a minister, that would be included in a council of ministers, basically as i have in my RP nation. It's not exactly the same as your council but very close. I don't know too much about "Council Democracy" myself...maybe your could light things up