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Offline Saletsia

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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #90 on: June 10, 2007, 01:58:11 AM »
A war against some wacko like Adolf is always just.
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Offline Delfos

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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #91 on: June 10, 2007, 03:24:49 AM »
some say against USA
(rhymes and all)
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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #92 on: June 10, 2007, 05:20:02 AM »
Honestly, Delfos.  What sort of comment was that?  You remind me of a child who lights a bag of dog doo on the porch, rings the bell, and runs so they won't know who did it. 

Just war my ass.  Think.  Who do wars kill?  It would never touch Bush or the other politicians.  It would kill a great many of our people, many of whom never had an opportunity to vote either for or against him.  You don't like Bush.  Neither do most of us, and WE are the ones you'd be killing. 
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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #93 on: June 10, 2007, 06:41:23 AM »
Yes, and the people of Dresden was less innocent? Enough so that they deserved a carpet bombing 24/7 lasting for more than a week? (British bombers by night, American by day, both carrying a mix of high explosive, Magnesium rods Incendiaries and incendiaries with an early form of napalm, all fitted with a calculated mix of either impact or delayed fuses. The delayed bombs intended to kill and maim rescu personell and civilians looking for their missing loved ones in the rubble.
The thing with Dresden was also that it had neither military targets nor industrial targets of any significance.

The main victims of a war is ALWAYS the innocent! Thus making a war on a nutcase equally unjust as any other war of aggression. If the target is a single nutcase, espionage and assassination would be better by far!
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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #94 on: June 10, 2007, 10:35:09 AM »
War is just if the cause is right. Namely, eugenics, which, obviously, is always righteous from any point of view.
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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #95 on: June 10, 2007, 11:02:47 AM »
lol why getting like that, i like to state what people tend to forget, i never said i would like Americans killed (however i bet they will some day, keep avoiding a crash because it's your shield), can't you imagine that there's people hating Americans? Can't you imagine that they wouldn't think it would be a damn just war to start by dropping a pair of nukes in American soil?

I think there's people hating Portuguese, maybe the English because we won so much against them in football, or even Americans because I'm always poking their eyes lol

hey let's battle Hitler, let's battle Saddam, let's battle Bin Laden, let's battle Bismark, I'm sure there's another side of the coin willing to pull your teeth/nails/eyes out because of the whole suffering.

So, picking in what Emp was saying, the guys from Dresden would surely be qualified to make a just war on any ally. If you accept this 'payback' as a just war, then any middle eastern country could make a just war against the USA.
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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #96 on: June 10, 2007, 03:16:51 PM »
Quote from: The Empire on June 10, 2007, 06:41:23 AM
Yes, and the people of Dresden was less innocent? Enough so that they deserved a carpet bombing 24/7 lasting for more than a week? (British bombers by night, American by day, both carrying a mix of high explosive, Magnesium rods Incendiaries and incendiaries with an early form of napalm, all fitted with a calculated mix of either impact or delayed fuses. The delayed bombs intended to kill and maim rescu personell and civilians looking for their missing loved ones in the rubble.
The thing with Dresden was also that it had neither military targets nor industrial targets of any significance.

The main victims of a war is ALWAYS the innocent! Thus making a war on a nutcase equally unjust as any other war of aggression. If the target is a single nutcase, espionage and assassination would be better by far!

KR, you needn't tell me anything about the innocents since the entire family of my Grandfather was killed during such a bombing!

Though at times when EVIL is being aggressive the good ones need to act.

I am saying that acting against EVIL is justified and NOT the killing of INNOCENT people. DUH
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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #97 on: June 10, 2007, 03:32:31 PM »
Sure, but in this day, what is evil and what is good is completely open for debate. Especialy when it comes to the actions of the last 40 years of US and UK administrations, not to mention the actions of 1st world multinational corporations such as Chiquita and other foodstuff corporations that frequently can be classified as outright evil.
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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #98 on: June 10, 2007, 10:37:32 PM »
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If the target is a single nutcase, espionage and assassination would be better by far!

We tried against Hitler. We failed. So we tried something else. Like, a full scale invasion.
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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2007, 10:53:29 AM »
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Honestly, Delfos.  What sort of comment was that?  You remind me of a child who lights a bag of dog doo on the porch, rings the bell, and runs so they won't know who did it. 

Just war my ass.  Think.  Who do wars kill?  It would never touch Bush or the other politicians.  It would kill a great many of our people, many of whom never had an opportunity to vote either for or against him.  You don't like Bush.  Neither do most of us, and WE are the ones you'd be killing. 

Very much like Bush and the populations of US and UK not liking Saddam, so killing (or rather, creating the conditions necessary for them to be killed, mostly by each other) 100,000+ Iraqi civilians over 4 years.
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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #100 on: June 11, 2007, 03:27:54 PM »
^great point Cart. Continuing on that line, Khab, how large part of the Iraqi population do you think supported Saddam? And how many of them aren't dying each day due to the situation caused by the occupation?
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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #101 on: June 11, 2007, 05:25:44 PM »
i would dare to compare the numbers before and after the US invasion...
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Offline Talmann

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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #102 on: June 11, 2007, 07:40:00 PM »
Get offa mama Khab. She was using that point to have Delfos stop pegging the US for our politicians.
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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #103 on: June 11, 2007, 07:51:29 PM »
While you as US citizens unilaterally reserve the right to pegg other nations for theirs? I think not!
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Offline Delfos

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Re: 'Just War'
« Reply #104 on: June 11, 2007, 08:23:43 PM »
not again...

When I say Portugal it's the name of the Portuguese nation. It doesn't represent people. Politicians/Presidents represent not only people, but also the nation they lead.
"Bush Invaded Iraq!" <-Possible, since he represents not only the American people but also 'rules' USA and US Army.
"USA Invaded Iraq!" <-I rather use this, because who ever actually invaded Iraq was representing USA.

Leading to: Colin Powell caring about what non-Americans think of USA. :clap: :clap: :clap:

I would also like to say that Khab had a great point when said something like voting in USA is the same has choosing between 2 devils. Get more presidents, vote in the greens, whatever. This time you will have more than 2 presidents, i hope Americans make a giant loop for mankind.
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