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Author Topic: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate  (Read 4642 times)

Offline Gulliver

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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2007, 03:42:41 AM »
You don't give up do you? I suppose that's to be admired.

1. In terms of the relation between the Senate and the Delegate, in relative terms that relation does not seem to be changing. As I said above, the last confrontation between the two effectively maintained the status quot. Though, since the Senate did come out on top of that spat, if I had to absolutely pick one as more powerful I would lean towards the Senate. And I do not necessarily believe that this is a bad thing. As I said, the Senate in my mind is or has the very real potential to be the truest representation of the popular will in this region's government, and it is only natural that in a democracy that the government be subject to the people and draw its legitimacy from them.

As to the Judiciary...the fact that the Judiciary has yet to see much action makes it impossible for me to truthfully say that I know where it lies in the balance of power. The current issue with Govindia may cast a better light on the situation.

2. I have no problem with such tickets. The more flexibility and choice for voters the better.
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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2007, 08:18:12 PM »
Your service to the region is unrivaled, and your skills as Speaker and hopefully Delegate of a very high standard.

You of course have my vote.
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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2007, 06:26:07 PM »
The support is appreciated.

Are there really no more questions? I'm feeling ignored relative to my opponents.

Also, if I may I'd like to comment on some statements made by my opponents here rather than intrude upon their own campaigns.

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If - and this is just hypothetical - the Senate passed a law, say, really banning avatars, it would be legal, no matter how much the rest of Taijitu disagreed with it.

Other than the fact that it is grossly unconstitutional. Of course, some will say that the Justices, because they're in the Senate, won't strike it down, but that's nonsense. As I said previously as Senators they are not beholden to anyone else; they are also beholden to their own ideas and principles, the same ones that the will always put into practice as Justices regardless of whether or not we allow for them to be represented. If any justice refused to strike down such a law it would not be because they were in the Senate and that being so somehow compelled them to automatically agree with whatever legislation the body passed. It would be because they were simply inherently corrupt and a poor choice for Justice.

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As for your second question, I don't think I'm better than anyone. But I am more of a progress than the others. Pragmia has been Speaker of the House for what, two terms? And everyone knows running the Senate virtually means you run the region.

I would suggest that Myroria try out the Office of the Speaker before he makes such ridiculous statements. Being Speaker does not give you some mystical ability to implement legislation by decree.

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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2007, 11:36:01 PM »
Yay Prag!  :clap: :congrats: :taijitu: :congrats: :clap:

As Delegate what changes would you like to see in the relationship between the Delegate and the Senate?
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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2007, 11:53:42 PM »
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Being Speaker does not give you some mystical ability to implement legislation by decree.

Do you fear that our ticket is so fascist as to allow this to occur vise-versa, with the Delegate being able to make decrees? My statement was from the viewpoint of myself, I don't deny this. I see the Senate as the Government, and the Delegate as the figurehead, everyone knows this. If you're going to start a smear campaign, understand opinions.
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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2007, 12:55:38 AM »
To Tacolicious: Ideally, I would like the Senate to function as a direct democratic body for all active citizens interested in the politics of the region, and for the legitimacy of the Delegate and of their Government to derive from it.

And what smear campaign Myro? I was stating my own personal opinion that the notion that the Speaker runs the region is ridiculous. I facilitated the proper functioning of the Senate, but I had no power what so ever to force Senators to pass any sort of legislation.

And the idea that the Delegate is powerless is utterly ludicrous. They enjoy plenty of discretionary authority and power. And the Senate is certainly not the Government; the Senate can establish policies that it wants the government to carry out (and since the legitimacy of the Government naturally should stem from the people in a democratic government, I see no issue with that) but even then it is in the end the Delegate and their government which is responsible for implementing these policies and managing the affairs of the region.

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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2007, 03:35:37 AM »
Pragster! You're definitely in the top two. Don't really know where, but your spot is reserved. Good luck!

One final question. What do you mean by:

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I would like the Senate to function as a direct democratic body for all active citizens interested in the politics of the region, and for the legitimacy of the Delegate and of their Government to derive from it.

Please elaborate on the phase in bold.
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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2007, 03:44:09 AM »
This being a nominally democratic government, it seems to me that it is only natural that the Government at all times be accountable and beholden to the people.

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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2007, 06:56:33 AM »
Inglo-Scotia is running for both positions.
Point of order, I'm only running for VD. I have no idea where people got this idea that I was running for the Delegacy.

Prag, awesome job so far, best of luck with the campaign.

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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2007, 04:36:59 PM »
You could have any historical figures, Taijitu citizens, or any other player in the realm of NS in your cabinet. Who would be where?


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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2007, 05:33:17 PM »
My mistake, I-S.  I was confused by the two threads you appeared in.


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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2007, 12:39:59 AM »
You could have any historical figures, Taijitu citizens, or any other player in the realm of NS in your cabinet. Who would be where?

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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2007, 12:43:58 AM »
Is making multiple clones of myself an acceptable answer? You did say any person.

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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2007, 02:33:20 AM »
If you want to interpret my question to include clones of yourself, then yes.

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Re: Pragmia for Delegate and Korinn for Vice Delegate
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2007, 01:12:30 PM »
Well, then I guess that'll have to be my answer. Simplicity is golden. Apparently also quite self centered.