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Offline Bara

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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2007, 07:11:14 PM »
but what if one parent is Communist, and the other one hates Communism?
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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2007, 08:22:40 PM »
Then they're not likely to have ended up together, are they? :shrug:


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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2007, 08:56:22 PM »
but what if they didnt know, then the wife saw the husband with a Communist arband on.
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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2007, 09:20:40 PM »
The kids'll have a better upbringing, most likely.
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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2007, 09:25:42 PM »
yeah
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Offline Myroria

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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2007, 12:19:55 AM »
One word: Divorce. The communist wouldn't want a family anyway. Why would they get married - which is a statement to God - in the first place?
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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2007, 12:25:48 AM »
Marriage is a civil institution, and only secondarily religious.  At least under the present society. :-P


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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2007, 12:58:13 AM »
Myroria do you know any communist couple? What's the point of marrying if they love each other already? I know a particular one that married, but it would be the same if they didn't. If it is so significative for you, fine, get married.

Society is evolved enough to have flexible ways. Plus, you're trying to force a concept of parents that is becoming inapplicable nowadays. Parents spend less time with kids, there's kids that only see their parents at weekends, what's the deal with it? Capitalism forces both to work for profit, so they can have a good life...for their own! What, daddy goes to work and mommy stays at home washing dishes? There's washing machines! Women rather work than do nothing...

Pfffft, what a load of crap. You are either very influenced by conservators or you ate an American version of Mein Kampf.

It has been frequently to find right-wing guys trying to nail the most specific detail they can find in anything. Just because you do not agree with the "Abolishing Family" doesn't mean whole Communist Concept is crap or have anything to do with that. Do you think they would force you to abolish your family? You are already forced to do so much more for the right wings or capitalists.

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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2007, 01:06:03 AM »
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Pfffft, what a load of crap. You are either very influenced by conservators or you ate an American version of Mein Kampf.
Up to this point you were making a fair argument.


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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2007, 01:19:36 AM »
like any of his are. What's with the remark anyway?

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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2007, 02:17:28 AM »
Oooh, I love tacking these. It's like playing Arkanoid, except I'm breaking through a wall of crap instead of a wall of blocks.

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Myroria do you know any communist couple? What's the point of marrying if they love each other already? I know a particular one that married, but it would be the same if they didn't. If it is so significative for you, fine, get married.

I'm not going to get married, because I do not believe in God. If I love a girl, what difference does a piece of paper make? I was just saying that communists tend to deny the existance of a higher being, especially Marx, so having a wedding - which is an oath to God, in a church, with a priest, would seem a bit off.

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Society is evolved enough to have flexible ways. Plus, you're trying to force a concept of parents that is becoming inapplicable nowadays. Parents spend less time with kids, there's kids that only see their parents at weekends, what's the deal with it? Capitalism forces both to work for profit, so they can have a good life...for their own! What, daddy goes to work and mommy stays at home washing dishes? There's washing machines! Women rather work than do nothing...

Near the end of that you just went off on a random tangent about the role of women in society, so I'll ignore that.

I'm not trying to force my opinion. I stated my opinion that the abolition of the family is not a good idea. Live and let live. But since this is a debate, I suppose I have to answer in support of my own opinion.

Better weekend parents than no parents. Your parents are the ones who should raise you, this is how it's always been and this is how it should always be. Call me a conservative for not wanting change, but you see time and time again I advocate huge reform, if not drastic upheaval, of the neo-conservatism now.

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Pfffft, what a load of crap. You are either very influenced by conservators or you ate an American version of Mein Kampf.

Conservatives. And no, I'm not influenced by them. I love how you equate anyone who thinks different from you with fascists and conservatives. I'm not a conservative, because I want change. Maybe you should put down Das Kapital and pick up a 7th grade textbook.

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It has been frequently to find right-wing guys trying to nail the most specific detail they can find in anything. Just because you do not agree with the "Abolishing Family" doesn't mean whole Communist Concept is crap or have anything to do with that. Do you think they would force you to abolish your family? You are already forced to do so much more for the right wings or capitalists.

Abolish means abolish. You would have to be "parents" in secret in an authoritarian communist state, or not legally recognized in a perfect one. Assuming the communist state agrees with Marx on this issue.

Yes, we are forced to do things, Delfos. These strange things are called "laws". Do you disagree with laws? Keep in mind I am a libertarian, and I don't think it should be against the law to do half the things neo-conservatives hate. So your argument fails, because I most likely agree with legalizing everything, or perhaps, more, than you do.

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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2007, 02:39:55 AM »
Well, if you want to look at it like that, "abolition of the family" could mean "abolition of the civil ceremony of marriage, and the legal benefits that flow to the parties involved."  Keep in mind as well that a. M/E were working on commission, writing for a specific political party.  The Manifesto of the Communist League of 1848 is not meant to be the blueprint for the actions of all communist parties in all times and places.  b. Engels was involved, and he was far more a sloganizer than the pedantic Marx, who tended to clarify and define every single term down to the word "is."


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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2007, 02:53:02 AM »
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Better weekend parents than no parents. Your parents are the ones who should raise you, this is how it's always been and this is how it should always be. Call me a conservative for not wanting change, but you see time and time again I advocate huge reform, if not drastic upheaval, of the neo-conservatism now.

I agree, i like the idea of parents taking care of children, but it's not an anti-communist or a communist that will stop the change of kids not having enough time with parents. I had allot of time, but guess what, they were liberal with me. Great luck, i had my father's mother to teach me some lessons, those right slaps really hurt. Anyway, i hated her in living, and is the person i mostly respect after dead. She really taught me allot. So I'm in favor of family concept at a degree.

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Conservatives. And no, I'm not influenced by them. I love how you equate anyone who thinks different from you with fascists and conservatives. I'm not a conservative, because I want change. Maybe you should put down Das Kapital and pick up a 7th grade textbook.

Funny you mention, you do the same calling me (and others) communist. I haven't read Das Kapital yet...not very interested to be honest.

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Yes, we are forced to do things, Delfos. These strange things are called "laws". Do you disagree with laws? Keep in mind I am a libertarian, and I don't think it should be against the law to do half the things neo-conservatives hate. So your argument fails, because I most likely agree with legalizing everything, or perhaps, more, than you do.

I was talking about how money forces us to do allot of stuff we don't have to to survive. I'm not against laws, and as you can see, i even defend allot of them, specially those related to human rights. But laws are only guidelines, you can cut your way through them...specially if you have a good lawyer.

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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2007, 04:41:28 PM »
face it in theoy Communism works but rl it dosent cause  people so fat and lazy

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Re: Well, I did it.
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2007, 05:55:12 PM »
*sigh* That is a criticism of the welfare state.  All the veterans here know this, because I've repeated it so damn many times.


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