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Offline Myroria

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Citizens' Militia
« on: September 27, 2014, 06:53:13 PM »
There's been some talk in IRC recently about reestablishing Taijitu's military. Here's a rough draft of a bill defining the Taijitu Citizens' Militia:

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I. The Ecclesia shall establish the Taijitu Citizens' Militia.

II. The Militia shall be led by a Citizen-Sergeant.
   1. The Citizen-Sergeant shall be elected by the Ecclesia to a four month term.
   2. The Citizen-Sergeant may be removed from office by a majority vote of the Ecclesia.
   3. The Citizen-Sergeant shall lead the Militia strategically, and shall act as military advisor to the Ecclesia.

III. The Militia shall be organized.
   1. The Citizen-Sergeant shall delineate rank and responsibility within the Militia.

IV. The Militia shall be supervised by the Ecclesia.
   1. Except where required by treaty obligation, all military action must be approved by the Ecclesia by a majority vote.
   2. The Citizen-Sergeant may not hold any other public office.

Thoughts?
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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2014, 06:56:26 PM »
Perhaps military actions could require a 2/3 vote. I think a damn lot of people should agree before we get entangled in conflict.

Otherwise I have no objections. This looks great, as always Myro!

Offline Dyr Nasad

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2014, 07:08:33 PM »
I was saying it in irc, but posting here too - I would go the other direction with the voting. Having to vote on every deployment would paralyze the military and it would end up not doing anything (unless a treatied GCR ally like TNP was couped, in which case we could help).

Perhaps some voting procedure could be written for lengthy deployments - support missions, refoundings, etc. However, the citizen-sergeant needs to have command authority that lasts at least a few updates.

Offline Myroria

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2014, 07:12:54 PM »
After Dyr explained this to me I'll have to take the opposite position from my first post as well and back this change.
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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2014, 07:55:24 PM »
I was saying it in irc, but posting here too - I would go the other direction with the voting. Having to vote on every deployment would paralyze the military and it would end up not doing anything (unless a treatied GCR ally like TNP was couped, in which case we could help).

Perhaps some voting procedure could be written for lengthy deployments - support missions, refoundings, etc. However, the citizen-sergeant needs to have command authority that lasts at least a few updates.

That makes perfect sense.

Offline Delfos

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2014, 10:49:08 PM »
There's been some talk in IRC recently about reestablishing Taijitu's military. Here's a rough draft of a bill defining the Taijitu Citizens' Militia:

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I. The Ecclesia shall establish the Taijitu Citizens' Militia.

II. The Militia shall be led by a Citizen-Sergeant.
   1. The Citizen-Sergeant shall be elected by the Ecclesia to a four month term.
   2. The Citizen-Sergeant may be removed from office by a majority vote of the Ecclesia.
   3. The Citizen-Sergeant shall lead the Militia strategically, and shall act as military advisor to the Ecclesia.

III. The Militia shall be organized.
   1. The Citizen-Sergeant shall delineate rank and responsibility within the Militia.

IV. The Militia shall be supervised by the Ecclesia.
   1. Except where required by treaty obligation, all military action must be approved by the Ecclesia by a majority vote.
   2. The Citizen-Sergeant may not hold any other public office.

Thoughts?

I dislike that, despite the faux symbolism of our officials, this Citizen-Sergeant would "lead" the militia. Maybe we should try a syndicalist militia, establish a militia commission that would vote/decide on the actions to follow just like Ecclesia.

Offline Myroria

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2014, 12:54:54 AM »
I think a militia that has to vote on everything among itself would get even less done than the Ecclesia oversight idea.  Simply for practical reasons it needs a leader.
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Offline Khem

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2014, 04:01:43 AM »
Perhaps triune leadership to distribute the burden of leadership and introduce the potential of a veto?

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Offline Allama

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2014, 04:06:15 AM »
Do we have 3 trusted members who are interested in/good at military gameplay and are also available online often? Potential candidates for these offices would influence my opinion on 1 leader versus a trio.

Offline Khem

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2014, 04:09:28 AM »
Do we have 3 trusted members who are interested in/good at military gameplay and are also available online often? Potential candidates for these offices would influence my opinion on 1 leader versus a trio.
Fair point.

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2014, 11:51:47 AM »
Do we have 3 trusted members who are interested in/good at military gameplay and are also available online often? Potential candidates for these offices would influence my opinion on 1 leader versus a trio.

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2014, 01:07:28 PM »
My only concern with this (I assume I can post on it already) is that we are still working on a heap of other matters for the community. I'm concerned that this will be too much too soon, may alienate some players, and the rest who want this to happen aren't that interested in GP at this point.
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Offline Dyr Nasad

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2014, 04:00:07 PM »
My only concern with this (I assume I can post on it already) is that we are still working on a heap of other matters for the community. I'm concerned that this will be too much too soon, may alienate some players, and the rest who want this to happen aren't that interested in GP at this point.

I just wanted to clarify - as the mobile GPer here - I don't want to push the region anywhere it doesn't want to go.

Offline Myroria

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2014, 10:32:08 PM »
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I. The Ecclesia shall establish the Taijitu Citizens' Militia.

II. The Militia shall be led by a Citizen-Sergeant.
   1. The Citizen-Sergeant shall be elected by the Ecclesia to a four month term.
   2. The Citizen-Sergeant may be removed from office by a majority vote of the Ecclesia.
   3. The Citizen-Sergeant shall lead the Militia strategically, and shall act as military advisor to the Ecclesia.

III. The Militia shall be organized.
   1. The Citizen-Sergeant shall delineate rank and responsibility within the Militia.

IV. The Militia shall be supervised by the Ecclesia.
   1. The citizen-sergeant shall be able to order military actions, and the Militia shall respond to treaty obligations.
   2. All military occupations lasting longer than three major in-game updates must be approved by the Ecclesia by a two-thirds majority vote.
   3. The Citizen-Sergeant may not hold any other public office.

Incorporated some input into this draft.
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Offline Delfos

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Re: Citizens' Militia
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2014, 11:16:21 PM »
There's no "can't dos" in the bill except from a hard-to-control point 2. I propose to include IV 3. (move the current 3 to 4):

All military actions that are not part of previous treaty or legislation obligations must be approved by the Ecclesia.