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Allama:
Aiming for libertarian socialism, okay, gotcha. I'd read everything in your subforum so I've seen the bit you quoted, but it contains no references to collective or individual property rights. Though not everything translates into the game directly, I am nonetheless interested to see how our philosophies overlap in that area (or fail to do so).


--- Quote from: Delfos on July 17, 2014, 03:07:50 PM ---Who? I had to google those names.
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If you Googled the names already, why ask who they are? :P

Allama:
P.S. How To Talk To Babies About Marxist Theory

Delfos:
It'd be hard to identify property in this game, but a lot of the ideas come from what is linked in the quote, Libertarian Socialism and Anarcho-Syndicalism.

Participatory democracy under libertarian socialism or a similar version of anarcho-syndicalism allows private property and liberties/rights/privileges and to be fairly regulated by a "state", similar to the citizenship system we have in place, while any means of production, which we could agree in the game just translates to government and it's offices, are considered collective and ruled over by necessity and participatory(participative) people, almost exclusively necessity. Very Ad Hoc approach sometimes have negative impact in long-term but it translates very well to the game, (SD bashing time) we already embrace several parts of this philosophy by allowing unlawful ruling over reform and restructure of our region.

What would you consider necessary to discuss in detail about the matter of property? How do you think it translates to the game?

The "Council" is supposed to be a participatory body, since it was not at the time embraced as part of the government, had to be constituted as a political association/party. It's based on the original concept of civilian Soviets in opposition to the monarchic rule: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_%28council%29, which could, at the time it was created, become a Petrograd Council dual to the, at that time (again), upcoming monarchy. Even without the monarchist uprising the council still makes sense as a political association. There was an effort, up to the reform, to transform the Senate into this kind of participatory council, but since the reform has created an upper house now called Senate, this is a step backwards the idea of a participatory council being the main legislative body (and government). All-in-all, the idea of a council ruling taijitu with participative democracy is still very possible, eliminating the upper house and negating some of the executive branch's powers, which would then be attributed, by necessity, through the council.

Allama:

--- Quote from: Delfos on July 17, 2014, 07:14:52 PM ---What would you consider necessary to discuss in detail about the matter of property? How do you think it translates to the game?
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--- Quote from: Allama on July 17, 2014, 03:23:27 PM ---Though not everything translates into the game directly, I am nonetheless interested to see how our philosophies overlap in that area (or fail to do so).
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* emphasis added

Basically I'm curious to know what you (and other Council members) think about these philosophies as they pertain to reality. Property use and ownership is a central issue for socialists of all stripes, so it makes sense in my mind to know if our views are compatible. I think it's nice to have a collective who feel similarly about such important things, whether or not they all relate to the game as it currently stands. Especially given that they may end up bleeding into the game in RP or something.

Delfos:
Political stuff bleeds to RP fast.

For RL politics: Left Bloc

Left Bloc is a nice idea for our "merger" btw, it's a party that includes several political associations, some communist, some socialist, all different. Nowadays it has 4 main groups and several minor groups, some parallel to political associations, ex-associations or platforms: Socialist (Revolutionary Socialist Party - trotkist); Alternative Left (Democratic Popular Union - "lenninist" communist); Anti-Capitalist (remnants of division in the Revolutionary Socialist Party); unaligned Motion B (ex-communist party or other communist parties that didn't integrate Left Bloc); unaligned Democratic Popular Union political association members; etc.

If you're wondering where I fit in, I don't, my only association is the party, but I tend to go with the Anti-Capitalists.

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