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How should the Delegate vote on this proposal?

For
2 (50%)
Against
2 (50%)
Abstain
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 4

Voting closed: July 26, 2012, 05:47:30 PM

Author Topic: Proposal: Liberate Christmas  (Read 1233 times)

Offline Funkadelia

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Proposal: Liberate Christmas
« on: July 22, 2012, 05:05:38 PM »
Category: Liberation
Nominee: Christmas
Proposed by: Mahaj

Quote from: Liberate Christmas
Description: The Security Council,

NOTING that the region of Christmas was raided by forces of Asgard, The New Inquisition, and The Land Of Kings and Emperors on July 4th, 2012;

AWARE that Christmas is a region which many people treasure due to its special name;

RECOGNIZING that while the native community in Christmas was not large and has been forcibly removed, it is still deserving of the basic rights of freedom of movement and to be free from external governance;

DISAPPOINTED by the stated goals of Asgard, which are to refound the region and keep it as a colony;

BELIEVING that the Security Council must act swifly to protect Christmas from being stolen and kept as a colony;

HEREBY Liberates Christmas.

Quote from: Mahaj
Hey there!

I submitted a proposal called Liberate Christmas, and I need your support! Christmas is in danger of being stolen and kept as a trophy, and the native community, the people who like you worked hard to build their region, are getting their hard work destroyed by petty bullies. NationStates as a whole needs to step up and protect its members, and you play a vital role in this.

Please, don't let Christmas get stolen, Approve Liberate Christmas!

Thanks,
 Mahaj

Quote from: Asgard representative
Dear The Federation of Funkadelia:

As you may know, Asgard has successfully occupied the region Christmas, but the fight is not over.

Defenders have now taken to the WA Security Council asking it to liberate a native population that has not been active in some time, if ever. The last post on the Regional Message Board prior to our invasion was over five months ago. In addition, the Capitalis de Societate of the United Defenders League, Unibot, has stated that at least one native refused UDL assistance in liberating the region.

Asgard's intentions for Christmas are no secret. We intend to make Christmas a cultural hub of NationStates, the home to Christmas and other winter celebrations sponsored by Asgard and our friends and allies abroad. In addition, as a show of good faith, we will guarantee the right of native return to Christmas. By annexing Christmas, Asgard can protect this region from further invasion as well. In annexing Christmas, our goal is not to collect a simple trophy, but to expand our regional influence in such a way that will benefit the natives of Christmas, the citizens of Asgard, and many people in the NationStates world.

It is up to us all to not allow the defenders to use the Security Council to maintain the status quo. Asgard is dedicated to using our time and influence to build up an inactive region and give it a place in the NS community. Asgard wishes to utilize this region's resources to have fun; defenders wish to sentence this region to death via inactivity on ideological grounds. Inactive regions do not need to become useless and die, and Christmas is a prime example of that, so please, give Asgard the chance to develop this region into what it should be rather than bowing to the wants of the defenders and sentencing Christmas to a slow death.

That is why we are coming to you. We ask you not to approve this ideologically motivated liberation resolution. We ask you and the people of your region to vote against it should it come to a vote. We ask you and each and every person in the NationStates world to consider what "liberating" Christmas means: It means returning the region to a status quo of constant invasion, upheaval, and chronic native inactivity. Help us! Help Christmas! Fight the resolution to Liberate Christmas!

Thank you,

The Algengur of the AIAF of Cormac Stark
 Representative of Asgard and Christmas
« Last Edit: July 22, 2012, 08:28:51 PM by Funkadelia »
Today's date is: Today is Jocidi, 5 Cielidor AR 5 - Day 1770 of the Glorious Revolution.

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Offline Finn

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Re: Proposal: Liberate Christmas
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2012, 05:07:25 PM »
Against.

Offline Delfos

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Re: Proposal: Liberate Christmas
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2012, 06:17:02 PM »
oh the irony, some people really have fun with this game

Offline Funkadelia

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Re: Proposal: Liberate Christmas
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2012, 05:52:41 AM »
Updated. This has gone to vote.
Today's date is: Today is Jocidi, 5 Cielidor AR 5 - Day 1770 of the Glorious Revolution.

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Offline Funkadelia

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Re: Proposal: Liberate Christmas
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2012, 05:47:07 PM »
I recently recieved this chat from Mahaj:


(1:39:46 PM) Funkadelia: Hi
(1:40:37 PM) Mahaj: so, I was hoping you'd cast your vote For Liberate Christmas
(1:40:41 PM) Mahaj: and I was wondering why you were opposed
(1:41:04 PM) Funkadelia: Well
(1:41:23 PM) Funkadelia: I feel the rationale for why I should be against was explained better to me
(1:42:05 PM) Mahaj: okay lets give it a go then
(1:42:16 PM) Mahaj: 1) A native has asked for this liberation
(1:42:35 PM) Mahaj: 2) No region deserves to be randomly refounded by outside groups
(1:43:01 PM) Mahaj: 3) Asgard's plan for 'culture' involves the region being active around Christmastime, and inactive for the other 11 months... which is more inactive than what the natives are doing
(1:43:23 PM) Funkadelia: Hm
(1:43:24 PM) Mahaj: 4) Asgard has lied *repeatedly*. Their claim that a native opposed the liberation was false, no such message existed whatsoever.
(1:43:45 PM) Funkadelia: Interesting
(1:43:49 PM) Funkadelia: I will remove my vote in TNP
(1:43:54 PM) Mahaj: 5) Voting against the liberation is like saying to this community 'you don't matter'. That's not good for the health of nationstates
(1:44:04 PM) Mahaj: and since you're a delegate in Taijitu, will you vote for? :p
(1:44:09 PM) Funkadelia: I'll have to look into this a bit more myself
(1:44:10 PM) Funkadelia: Well
(1:44:20 PM) Funkadelia: I'm forced to vote against due to the votes of the populations.
(1:44:24 PM) Funkadelia: population*
(1:44:41 PM) Funkadelia: I will post this log there, if that is ok with you.
(1:44:48 PM) Mahaj: yes please do :)
Today's date is: Today is Jocidi, 5 Cielidor AR 5 - Day 1770 of the Glorious Revolution.

Many trials make manifest
The stranger's fate, the curses' bane.
Many touchstones try the stranger
Many fall, but one remains.

Offline Funkadelia

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Re: Proposal: Liberate Christmas
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2012, 06:53:39 PM »
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<@Mahaj> what's your response to the fact that a native supports the lib?
<Koth> It was inevitable
 <@Mahaj> and so?
 <Koth> And I'm not going to let it bust my balls
<@Mahaj> you're just going to keep on refounding it?
 <Koth> *shrug*
Today's date is: Today is Jocidi, 5 Cielidor AR 5 - Day 1770 of the Glorious Revolution.

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The stranger's fate, the curses' bane.
Many touchstones try the stranger
Many fall, but one remains.

Offline Delfos

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Re: Proposal: Liberate Christmas
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2012, 07:05:56 PM »
changed my vote to for, as I always said I rather give them the chance to decide by themselves the future of the region, otherwise I'll abstain.

Offline Funkadelia

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Re: Proposal: Liberate Christmas
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2012, 07:22:10 PM »
Provisional vote for.
Today's date is: Today is Jocidi, 5 Cielidor AR 5 - Day 1770 of the Glorious Revolution.

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Many touchstones try the stranger
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Offline Finn

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Re: Proposal: Liberate Christmas
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2012, 08:06:23 PM »
My vote remains Against.

Offline Funkadelia

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Re: Proposal: Liberate Christmas
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2012, 08:29:18 PM »
Provisional vote withdrawn
Today's date is: Today is Jocidi, 5 Cielidor AR 5 - Day 1770 of the Glorious Revolution.

Many trials make manifest
The stranger's fate, the curses' bane.
Many touchstones try the stranger
Many fall, but one remains.