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Forum Meta => The Role Play Council => Archived Role Play Boards => Archive => Voting => Topic started by: Myroria on February 10, 2007, 06:20:55 PM
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I voted for primitive space colony without mining because I consider it a compromise between my original suggestion and the suggestions during discussion.. I consider a primitive space colony post-modern, not future, tech.
My reasons:
NASA plans to do it by 2020, and they could by 2010 with better funding most likely.
It creates interesting RP.
Most scientists consider it an inevitable step in human progress.
It's not crazy, unimaginable, sci-fi tech.
Japan plans to do it by 2030.
The Russian Energia Corporation says they can do it by 2040.
It's not a huge leap to go from putting a man on the moon to making some buildings on it.
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No.
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For now i have to vote no. Can i see schematics of how this thing is built? How does it work? Costs? How do you get it up there? Cite the statements you gave.
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Unfortunately, there are no available images of space colony schematics, so I will detail how it will be built:
1. Several cargo craft are sent to Selene carrying:
a. A main hall
b. Three small experiment modules
c. Barracks.
All of them are made of prefabricated metal sides that are stacked upon each other for the trip there.
2. It is made for experiments and study of moon rocks.
3. The whole thing will cost about 75 billion Kolonialreich marks.
4. By using cargo ships such as the Ares III, and getting the crew there on an Ares IV and Orion CEV (NASA's successor to the space shuttle, which are going through large scale testing phases now)
5. I got all of those statements from Wikipedia, most of them from "Colonization of the Moon".
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I'm still not sure if my vote counts anymore... BUT:
No space colonization, and allow futuristic tech here on Taijitu.
I don't think it'd be fair for some to have space accessibility and others not. It's kind of like one becoming Alvar Hanso. (Monopolist <_<)
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I voted that a primitive colony be allowed.
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But I'm not suggesting that I be the only one with space colonies, Tallmann. This was made to see if I would be allowed a space colony, and, by proxy, if others would too.
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Against.
I'm a realist.
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No, I am even against Power Armor so dont go cry Hypocracy
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The fact is that, realistically, that would work. However, the completely unrealistic part would be the labor to put up the actual buildings, followed by the probability of failure (Which is high. If so much as ONE screw is loose, everyone is dead). Also, due to gravitation, the chance of a meteroite strike on your colony is extremely high, and the loss of life and materials p/capita would be devastating. Im sticking with no because it's far too risky to try at current tech levels, at least in High Evermore, and our economy is Strong.
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Now, you've got a point about the screw. Yes, unless it is constructed extremely carefully, everyone is dead. However, I could also weld the sides together instead of screwing them together; it's more work in the short term, but you have no danger of welds getting loose. And actually, a meteorite hasn't hit the moon in quite some time, and the colony itself only stretches about five kilometers. The chance of a meteorite hitting it is worth the small risk; especially if it is constructed properly it is completely safe against micrometeorites and pebbles. The chance of a large, dangerous meteorite hitting it is quite low. This isn't to say it could never happen, but there's not a good chance it will.
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In each case, I´m for it. I´m too for post-modern techs, as long they don´t give you a big advantage.
Erm...as I can remember, PAs were allowed for me and The Empire (King Rat), except for that I still use them in current times, but mine are not too strong and I have only ca. 100 of them....
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I could also weld the sides together instead of screwing them together; it's more work in the short term, but you have no danger of welds getting loose.
Theres also one problem with welding. When you weld a metal together you need flux or else nitrogen and other gasses will get into the weld and cause it to become brittle and eventually shatter, and using flux in low gravity would be nearly impossibly (Flux is essentially sand). In an atmospheric condition such as that of a moon (Selene as well) the pressure on a weld could cause tremendous and explosive decompression if it shattered. Again, This time the explosive decompression would probably destroy over 80% of your colony due to shrapnel puncturing nearby buildings and the pressure of the oxygen being sucked into space would probably destroy (essentially it would be like turning on a vacuum next to a card house) anything directly next to it. IMO, the best plan is to spot weld it from the inside and use bolts on the outside. Takes more time and labor but it will make it work better :D
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Ok, then I'll do that and adjust the cost to 50,000,500,000 KRM for the construction.
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Wow, I thought most people would vote for the "primitive space colony" than any other selection.
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It does look like this is going to be voted a big no
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Even if it is, I'm still the first person on Selene.
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I got nothign against you saying your nation was the first to walk on the moon, hell after this ends Ill even have it brought into the history, thats an acomplisment scientificly
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I thought we had already decided on no Future tech.....therefore there are presently no space colonies primitive or otherwise hence it is future tech....hence a no vote.....
And you can blame Nasa...the chinese.....and the russians......for not getting their fingers out of their butts and getting on with something that is technically plausible.....
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Well, i think I have come to terms. Perhaps you will now see my point.
Ok, then I'll do that and adjust the cost to 50,000,500,000 KRM for the construction.
If this is what its going to cost to make it safe and effective, then you cant support it; furthermore, the aforementioned makes it infeasible to put a colony into space. That whole thing with the welding was to show you how intricate and fiscally ineffective it is to put a colony in space. The thing to remember is that gravity on the moon and spacial pressure from vacuum will cause one building to decompress. You get one hole, and the pressurization will suck explosively through that one hole, along with everyone inside. High death count, high damage count to other facilities, and the chance to damage or destroy other buildings.
I don't want to ruin your plans and hopes here, i am a bastard, but not that much XD. I would suggest a flotational space station. I can help you with the physics of that, and it would be completely feasible to put up at your current tech and funding (From what i have gotten from this operation). Send me a message.
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Is there a time limit on this poll?
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Yeah, it's done. I'll get rid of Yale Colony, but I'm still the first person on the moon, bitches. :P
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Damn...our RP *sniff*
However, why would a 2nd RP-subforum for futuristic RP be? Like the "Fantasy RP" back in the Lex.
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And this means all power armor must be erased from history. Now.
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*sniff*
However, in my case it won´t make much difference.
But, what is with The Empire/King Rat? His RP would be messed up totally...
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Too bad, my RP was messed up totally too.
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And this means all power armor must be erased from history. Now.
True point.
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Hmm...maybe we should start a "Futuristic RP" subforum....like the "Fantasy RP" back in the Lexicon...should I make a proposal?
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well someone tell KR, and i got nothing against saying myoria is the first on the moon, its true. But a future tech would be fun, the only question is how strict to physics that we will be with it, Such as the fact about time dilation caused by moving faster then light by relativity, such you move faster, you get thier faster, but time in real space moves normally
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I made a proposal for a futuristic RP subforum )and just PMed KR about it, he might move his RP in it)...currently, we are working to answer such questions as Ranholm posted..
It can be found here: http://forum.taijitu.org/index.php?topic=775