Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)

[Delfos]

the against is winning...but we'r loosing in UN. If we must do something, dont forget to do it. passing through in favor to top is very important! gives the AGAINST a strong role and might influence other nations!

[Solnath]

Why are humans so important that we can eat other species?

[tak]

Why are humans so important that we can eat other species?

um... are you a vegetarian?
but then, even if you are, you can't force other to be vegetarians too.
With the same logic, I don't see why eating whales is so much more evil than eating chicken or beef.

[FeherTigris]

chickens are 'created' in 'chicken-factories'. so you can control: you 'never' run out of chickens.
whales are NOT renewable.
this is the difference.

[tak]

Whales are renewable too, as long as whaling is regulated.
Regulated hunting has been working for so many species, why not whales?

[Delfos]

im not against eating whales, im against endangering endangered species! whales are important, endangered and huge. Im also against wasting.

do you know what they do with a shark in the pacific? they cut their tails out and throw them alive back to the sea...thats fucking cruelty, and its outlawed in EU. in EU you are not allowed to fish and throw the fish back to the sea, the fish after being fished is already damaged, most likely dead, they can use it for any kind of fish food, instad of throwing them dead back to the sea. plus theres strick fishing rules to endangered species, there's a great problem with codfish at northern sea, 95% of the fish was underage, didnt reproduced, so if they didnt stop fishing so much codfish, the codfish could disappear from northern sea.

SPECIES MUST BE PROTECTED AS HUMANS ARE!

Do you eat pig-brain? In Mediterranean countries, all parts of the pig are merchandised, there is no waste!

[tak]

The sharks one is the worst "green" propaganda!!!
The fishermen were paid by the "green groups" to throw the shark bodies back to the sea!!! In fact, sharks are in no way endangered, and every part of a shark is in fact consumed - meat of fish balls, bones as medicines!
Don't believe in everything you see!

Come back to whales, it is exactly because of the ban, the Japanese used "scientific research" as an excuse, and continued whaling without check. However, if whaling is regulated, we can get the whaling in check, and avoid extinction of the mammal...

[Solnath]

Why are humans so important that we can eat other species?

um... are you a vegetarian?
but then, even if you are, you can't force other to be vegetarians too.
With the same logic, I don't see why eating whales is so much more evil than eating chicken or beef.

Ah, but I was not comparing whales to poultry or livestock. It is not their relative evilness, but rather the evilness that stems from the slaying of any noble beast that dares roam upon this world which we have, without any right, claimed ours. Depending on your perspective, it can easily be argued that there is no difference in the moral value of eating a whale or eating a chicken, but you most consider where that path leads. Yes, the beloved sentence, "all God's creatures, loved equally under the heavens." Meaning that if you're going to eat Daisy, your prize cow, you might as well eat Danny from next door.

And no, I'm not a vegetarian. My hobbies include eating meat. A lot of it. From animals that are still living and breathing. But if I were, why couldn't I? It is, after all, what is best for our species on the long run. Would you be so petty as not to relent to a cause greater than our generation and cultures?

[tak]

btw, Chinese do not only eat pig's brain, but also blood, intestines, kidneys, pancreas, liver, lungs, trachea, heart, head - more thoroughly than Mediterraneans...

[FeherTigris]

takasia: please make a reality check

with chickens we have a well-controlled environment (food, light, space). this is why we can predict number of generations and are able to influence the number of chickens very well.
with whales we can have controlled hunting but this is VERY far from controlled environment:
- we cannot influence all parameters of the living territory of whales (food, temperature of oceans etc.)
- we cannot control hunting (see Japan)

so, controlled hunting is NOT a real argument (or frankly speaking is a LIE)

Tigris

[tak]

What is happening is, if you ban something, you can't control it. As long as there is demand, someone is willing to take the risk.
Once you make something legal and regulated, there will be incentive for someone to comply - very many people will choose to go by the rules if they have a choice.

and with your argument, all fishing should be banned outright!

[tak]

Also, would you agree with dog eating if they are bred in farms like chicken?

[Solnath]

Humans have no right to eat anything.

[FeherTigris]

we say here 'you sit wrong way on the horse'.

it is not that 'if we ban we can't control'. it is that 'if we can't control we should at least ban in case it harms'. yes, world is big, people are at least stupid or even evil but anyway too many so control is not possible. don't dream if you allow to hunt 20 then it will be 20.

yes, any kind of fish (or any other animal) that is threatened to be extinct should be protected by ban. in fact in RL they do it. many species are not huntable not just whales (and flora is also protected that way). the speciality of whales that they do not belong to any nation as they are in international waters.

I accept controlled environment as a likelihood based on scientific observations. These observations said that hunting most probable leads to extinction of whales. At other fishes they don't say that this is the reason why you are allowed fishing for some but not all kind of fish.

[FeherTigris]

takasia: you try to ask questions as extreme but alas: eating dogs (and cats) is an everyday habit in many countries. at WWII 'civilized' european nation's restaurant's have menu from cats, dogs, rats, horse.

do not mix moralistic taste (itsy-bitsy cats), digestive taste and extinction.