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Voting closed: May 05, 2007, 08:47:53 PM

Author Topic: Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)  (Read 4489 times)

Offline Delfos

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Re: Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)
« Reply #75 on: May 04, 2007, 05:27:46 AM »
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takasia: you try to ask questions as extreme but alas: eating dogs (and cats) is an everyday habit in many countries. at WWII 'civilized' european nation's restaurant's have menu from cats, dogs, rats, horse.

do not mix moralistic taste (itsy-bitsy cats), digestive taste and extinction.

lol im ok with that as long as it tastes good...but frankly, have you ever ate in an european restaurant? there's no cats dogs rats horses in the menu. you speak of reality which yourself lack..oh well we eat snails at the mediterranean countries...

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Re: Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)
« Reply #76 on: May 04, 2007, 06:53:51 AM »
haha.... I haven't really tasted those things in a "European restaurant". Neither did I say they are common (except in Korea).

Escargots are tasty, that's for sure!

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Re: Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)
« Reply #77 on: May 04, 2007, 09:21:43 AM »
delfos: you missed a point WWII means World War II.

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Re: Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)
« Reply #78 on: May 04, 2007, 09:29:18 AM »
OK, guys it looks like you think I am attacking takasia personally. No, I just opposing to take into account in this resolution his standpoint. so, takasia is fine, but please ignore his opinion just for this decision.

(it just came to my mind: killing people is banned. but there are thousands of killing each year. what if we allow to kill 50 people a year? 12 in the US, 7 in China, 8 in Europe, 3 in Africa and Americas each, 1 in Australia, 2 in India, 7 in Iraq (including US kills there), 3 in Afghanistan (including NATO kills there) and 4 for the rest of Earth. do you really think that it would reduce number of killings?)

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Re: Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)
« Reply #79 on: May 04, 2007, 11:01:58 AM »
Question: so what if whales go extinct and we lose a bit of biodiversity?

Very valid question.  I suppose it's a matter of cultural and monetary loss, environmental impact, and partially of subjective value judgment.

If a species goes extinct because it was over-hunted, it can be assumed that those hunting it placed value on its continued existence.  Any cultures placing value on it for food, material goods production, religion, etc. lose that just as much as if it had been banned.  The difference is that they cannot ever get it back.  I do believe this constitutes a notable loss to humanity.  When the population is allowed to re-expand, however, eventually there can be more whaling (still limited, of course) and perhaps there could eventually be an open market.

Secondly, most species fill a particular niche in their ecosystem and to have that niche become empty can pose very serious problems.  Sometimes other species compensate and the ecosystem balances back out, but sometimes it does not and the extinction of a single type of animal can lead to that of numerous others.  This usually spreads from animals to plant life, which can cause serious geographic repercussions.

Finally, some people (myself included) place value on the existence of an animal in and of itself.  The loss of biodiversity can be mourned whether or not it changes the world for humans... if that is what you believe.  As a Christian, I think we are called to be good stewards of the Earth; to use it within the bounds of sustainability.  It is a beautiful creation and to knowingly destroy parts of it is as disgusting as destroying a precious work of art.  Again, it's a very subjective reason.

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Re: Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)
« Reply #80 on: May 04, 2007, 05:16:50 PM »
I'd have to second everything Allama said. I mean, obviously, not every nation will be a Liberal Democratic Socialist-driven one like my own, and this sense of responsibility doesn't exist in every nation. :P Yet in the end, maybe it just has to be looked at from the perspective that we inherited a responsibility to care for everything around us. Who knows!

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Re: Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)
« Reply #81 on: May 04, 2007, 06:24:11 PM »
a bit of biodiversity? are you mad? do you think something that big disappears without taking few other species with it? if whales get extinct you'll be destroying a full eco-system of sea life. Plus how can you sleep at night? how will you explain people in the future about Moby Dick when there's no whale on earth. You guys must be mad or something! Human population is already excessive, if we keep going like this we'll be the only specie on earth!

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Re: Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)
« Reply #82 on: May 04, 2007, 08:04:11 PM »
Well, consider it repealed y'all.

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Re: Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)
« Reply #83 on: May 04, 2007, 11:50:43 PM »
a bit of biodiversity? are you mad? do you think something that big disappears without taking few other species with it? if whales get extinct you'll be destroying a full eco-system of sea life. Plus how can you sleep at night? how will you explain people in the future about Moby Dick when there's no whale on earth. You guys must be mad or something! Human population is already excessive, if we keep going like this we'll be the only specie on earth!

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Re: Repeal "Banning whaling" (Ends May 4th)
« Reply #84 on: May 05, 2007, 02:37:56 AM »
The resolution Repeal "Banning whaling" was passed 6,209 votes to 5,893.

cant believe we were that close. this shouldnt count.