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Author Topic: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter  (Read 6906 times)

Offline Delfos

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Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« on: December 11, 2007, 10:27:40 PM »
Quote from: Human Rights Charter (IPO)
Article 1 - obligation to respect human rights
Any signatory party is bound to secure the rights under the other Articles of this Human Rights Charter.

Article 2 - right to Life
This right means that nobody can take anyone else's life away without justification. This justification can only be applied by national constitutional laws.

Article 3 - right to Dignity
From the moment you are born to the moment you die, you have the right to live in dignity. Every human must respect someone else's dignity, because if we are disgraced by someone else, that someone is taking our right to be a respectful human being.

Article 4 - right for Food and Water.
As basic properties of survival. A government or collective cannot hide or remove such resources from their population, this prohibits the illicit property of natural goods.

Article 5 - right for a Fair Trial
Every human has the right for a fair trial, including the right to a public hearing before an independent and impartial tribunal within reasonable time, the presumption of innocence, and other minimum rights for those charged in a criminal case.

Article 6 - prohibition of torture
This prohibits torture, and "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment". There are no exceptions or limitations on this right.
This provision usually applies, apart from torture, to cases of severe police violence and poor conditions in detention.

Article 7 - prohibition of slavery
This prohibits slavery and forced labour, but excepted from this prohibitions are conscription, national service, prison labour, service exacted in cases of emergency or calamity, and "normal civic obligations".

Article 8 - no punishment without law
Prohibits the retrospective criminalisation of acts and omissions. No person may be punished for an act that was not a criminal offence at the time of its commission. The article states that a criminal offence is one under either national or international law, which would permit a party to prosecute someone for a crime which was not illegal under their domestic law at the time, so long as it was prohibited by (possibly customary) international law. This also prohibits a heavier penalty being imposed than was applicable at the time when the criminal act was committed.

Article 9 - right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion
This provides a right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This includes the freedom to change a religion or belief, and to manifest a religion or belief in worship, teaching, practice and observance, subject to certain restrictions that are in accordance with law and necessary in a civilized society.

Article 10 - prohibition of discrimination
This prohibition is broad in some ways, and narrow in others. On the one hand, the article protects against discrimination based on any of a wide range of grounds. The article provides a list of such grounds, including sex, race, colour, language, religion and several other criteria, and most significantly providing that this list is non-exhaustive.

Article 11 - prohibition of abuse of rights
No one may use the rights guaranteed by the Human Rights Charter to seek the abolition or limitation of rights guaranteed in the Charter. This addresses instances where states seek to restrict a human right in the name of another human right, or where individuals rely on a human right to undermine other human rights.

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Protocol 1 - A2 - Moratorium for Death Penalty
To both justify the justification of ending a human life, and to prevent the abuse of justification, a moratorium must be presented to IPO Diplomacy Bureau.

Signatories:
-New Delfos
-Terrangar
-Canada
-Validus
-Capconia
« Last Edit: December 23, 2007, 04:01:03 AM by Delfos »

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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2007, 10:32:48 PM »
The Federation of Terrangar will sign this treaty.
The power we hold comes from our citizens.
And they may take it away as well.


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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2007, 02:46:41 AM »
Myroria will not sign this. There is no "debate" over the death penalty, it should always be an option for the most serious crimes; to spare a serial killer's life is to value his over those of his victims.

In addition, the banning of discrimination by a people - not a government - is inherently restrictive to the racist's own human rights, especially that of freedom of speech. These seem to be more of a liberal's view of human rights than that aligned with Myroria.
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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2007, 02:52:05 AM »
unfortunately Serid cannot sign this treaty as it would cause problems with emergency planning and also some aspects of our justice system.  Therefore we salute the effort to bring a greater level of humanity to this world but must decline the chance to sign.
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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2007, 04:05:32 AM »
Quote from: Osmar Anson Dalēn
I will not sign this treaty and in doing so tie the Empire of Mor'os to be bound by this document. It is shoddy and ill written and could easily be circumvented if we cared about its contents. Furthermore several of the proposed articles would severely handicap the proper application of the law and justice within the Empire. The streets of my nation are safe and I refuse to sacrifice such a hard earned blessing for the sake of a collection of ill defined principles. What rights the people of Mor'os need I myself have already addressed in Chapter 8 of the Seventy-Eight Decrees.

"Ul dé mur e nez dí zhìn bu sà."
"Don't trust the rats, they're working for the wolves."
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"I really like His Divinity's tail. It tickles!"
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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2007, 04:28:20 AM »
We agree on Myroria's position on the death penalty. Collosea will not sign the treaty.

Offline Pachamama

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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2007, 08:15:04 AM »
ooc As Myroria, Mor'os and Selid are not members of IPO I will address them as representatives.


Article 2 - right to Life
This right means that nobody can take anyone Else's life away without justification. This justification can only be applied by national constitutional laws


Protocol 1 - A2 - Moratorium for Death Penalty
To both justify the justification of ending a human life, and to prevent the abuse of justification, a moratorium must be presented to IPO Diplomacy Bureau.

As you can see the death penalty is not banned outright by the treaty.
It is simply fortified as a measure entirely in the hands of the respective government.
Or may I understand it that in your country's, I as a person could just kill someone whom I believe did murder someone else?
I do not think so.

Also this treaty did not appear out of nowhere.
There was time enough to bring in your own agenda and ideas.
I must say that it is easy to state mistakes and wrong wordings, but is it that difficult to offer better ideas?
There is a difference between critique and constructive critique. And also I am used to IPO treaty's receiving little of the later I am astonished that our documents are obviously not worthy of even being read.

For the sake of the treaty I would like to propose the following. That changes can be made to the treaty if there is a majority vote on the changes present.
What do the other delegates of IPO think about this?
The power we hold comes from our citizens.
And they may take it away as well.


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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2007, 09:58:57 AM »
It prevents some of the punishments of the serid penal code such as flogging and branding.  It also prevents summary execution during periods of emergency either because of action (i.e. the committing of a crime during a period of emergency) or necessity (i.e. during war the gassing of prisoners held to release those holding them for military duty).
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-then we get those b******s from powys

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Your village will burn like the heart of the sun
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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2007, 01:15:11 PM »
Myroria will not sign this. There is no "debate" over the death penalty, it should always be an option for the most serious crimes; to spare a serial killer's life is to value his over those of his victims.

In addition, the banning of discrimination by a people - not a government - is inherently restrictive to the racist's own human rights, especially that of freedom of speech. These seem to be more of a liberal's view of human rights than that aligned with Myroria.

this treaty has in mind those countries that support death penalty, as long it's in the law, you can kill whoever you want, although you need a moratorium about it.

well...racism isn't going to be ever a human right, it doesn't make sense. So if you're against anti-discriminatory articles, it was worth a try to get you signing the human rights charter.

again about death penalty, at least read the damn thing. It's not banned, actually some of the most restrictive articles have the 'justification' word, it means, as long in your national law you can do those things, they aren't against human rights.

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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2007, 04:44:09 PM »
The Imperial Federation of Nations will sign the treaty.
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Article II: The Legislative

4. The Senate shall have the power to remove the Delegate or Vice Delegate from office if they in their opinion have violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu, broken their oath or failed to fulfill their duties, by a two-thirds majority vote.

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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2007, 05:04:48 PM »
The Imperial Federation of Nations will sign the treaty.

I thought you were Imperial Federation of Canada, may I address to you as Canada?

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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 01:57:51 AM »
Racism is a sub-division of freedom of speech. Are you saying freedom of speech should not be a human right? What's next, someone who hurts someone's feelings is a criminal against humanity? Please.
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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2007, 02:15:47 AM »
Validus will sign this treaty.

Racism is negative against personnel. Even if it is against someone less right to free speach, that right will infringe upon another's right to Dignity.

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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2007, 02:18:00 AM »
Nobody has a right to dignity. Dying with dignity, maybe, but if everyone who insulted someone was infringing on someone's human rights, the prisons would be overflowing.
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Re: Universal Ratification of the Human Rights Charter
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2007, 02:21:21 AM »
I am still Canada and my people are still Canadians. The Imperial Federation is a federated Commonwealth of Nations.
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Article II: The Legislative

4. The Senate shall have the power to remove the Delegate or Vice Delegate from office if they in their opinion have violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu, broken their oath or failed to fulfill their duties, by a two-thirds majority vote.

"YES WE CAN!" Barack Obama 2007