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Forum Meta => Role Play => Archived Role Play Boards => Archive => Treaty Conferences/Organisations => Topic started by: Aquatoria on November 29, 2007, 09:17:12 PM
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ooc: Ok, Dysanii told us to just cut up his nation, and Validus and I said that we should just do what he said. Now let's say that the a member of the Dysaniian government came in and launched a coup becuase he knew the republic would lose the war. Then after the coup, he surrendered to the Allied armies unconditionaly.
Field Marshal Worthington felt a sense of power and happiness. They were using the Dysaniian Parliament building as the place where the debellatio of the Parliamentary Republic of Dysanii would happen. They needed to only wait for the other diplomats from Delfos, Validus, Christstan and the other allies to arrive and decide what should be done with the defeated Dysanii. Here they would decide the fate of a nation.
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Peace-Keeper Force Chairman, Fernando Afonso:
"The IPOP Force Bureau came to conclusion we should send Peace-keepers into Dysanii.
We have the opportunity to send the peace forces to Dysanii, the recent coup on the Dysanii government made it clear for a cease of fire and it is safe and appropriated to send Peace Forces now.
For those gathered here in the assembly, please declare against this motion or else it will be officially released in two hours.
This task force is not obligatory, but we suggest that we send most of our forces into the field. We will also try to enter in contact with the current forces for cooperation, but Dysanii forces will be totally disarmed."
"Have you seen this? We should let IPOP in Dysanii while we're discussing about this."
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ok. sure
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(I am assuming a time lapse occurred and at least part of our plan was enacted - at least to the point of pushing Dysanii to rebellion.)
Emperor Frederick, an autocrat in his own right, had a most personal rule. He personally commanded his troops in the campaign and was very similar to Napoleon in these rights, and thus personally attended this meeting to ensure his policies and views would be best represented. He gave a formal bow to those present and took a seat, waiting to hear the meeting. He was personally against the annexation of Dysanii territory and would work to maintain a semi-free Dysanii people so the eyes of the world would not scorn the victors of this conflict.
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(OOC: Since we pulled a time skip, let's assume that Operation Copper King was partially successful, and that several of the rebel leaders were assassinated, including the emperor (the main target of the operation). In desperation and thirsty for revenge, the Monarchists launched an attack straight at the heart of the Republic and, with most of the Republics forces invested in the borders, tore the heart out.
With the loss of their monarch and with massive foreign armies on the borders, the rebel leaders decided it would be best to surrender to the Allies and hope they would appreciate the service they'd done them by taking out the Republic from within.)
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"What kind of fate do you have in mind?"
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I am suggesting that we should de-militarize Dysanii, and also split the nation into two halves. We can all agree here that a united Dysanii is a dangorous Dysanii. So we split them into two control districts and then we help them develop independent governments.
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Frederick rose, and for the first time suspicious of Canadian intent. "Field Marshal, perhaps it has been missed that there are at least 4 other nations involved in this endeavor. Splitting the nation into two halves would force our governments to develop joint control over the halves of Dysanii territory. The point of dividing the territory is to cut their economic and political capabilities since their resources would be divided between the administrative units. Now I favor rebuilding the Dysanii government rather than annexing the country bit-by-bit, but Canada must realize that now we will have the burden of joint rule over these territories. Granted this will stop one nation from gaining a hegemony over an area and stop some of the more expansionist elements of this council, and that should be good for the Dysanii people, but perhaps our different views on their reconstruction could bring about contention... If we are to do this we would have to establish a charter firstly protecting the people from all being taken by one government and define how the joint governments of that area intend of governing the land. We could also create occupation zones run by our various allied governments and slowly forge the fragments together or whatnot."
With that he waited for the Canadian response.
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"I agree at some point with Frederick, and why caring about controlling it, if we make it a suitable environment Dysanii will prosper on it's down. If your problem is the area of control I want to suggest that you take a significant part of western Dysanii to *compensate* your losses. The rest of Dysanii can stay as it is, probably to *compensate* whoever else, the prosper must be assured by the victorious enterprises so that they can contribute a little compensating whoever had losses."
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"Well, there are over six nations involved with this war, and I also noticed that there were two different alliances. The different alliances will conflict with each other. I was suggesting that western Dysanii fall under PI control and the eastenr half under the Aurorean Alliance. But again that is just my opnion. Also in response to the annexation of a significant piece of western Dysanii, the Canadian Empire will indeed lay claim a significant piece of the west. Hopefully enough to create a semi-autonomous dominion.
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The Emperor nodded, Canada could have the west, he knew there objective was imperial expansion at the start but just waited for them to admit it. He now put forth his Charter proposition once again. "I present this mock Charter for the Pax Imperium portion of the division. I believe the division should be done according to the amount a nations represented in each alliance but, here is what I suggest for the Pax Imperium government."
He put the charter on the table.
1. This Charter hereby forms the Occupational Governments of West Dysanii
1.1 This Charter sets forth the Occupational governing of the territories of West Dysanii
1.1.1 The Territories of West Dysanii shall be divided equally among the Occupying nations within the Pax Imperium
1.1.1.1 These subdivisions of West Dysanii shall be governed by their occupying army as the occupational army sees fit within these parameters
1.1.1.1.1 They shall follow the laws of the Pax Imperium for member nations
1.1.1.1.2 They shall respect the rights granted the occupied people as set forth by article 3
1.1.1.1.3 The governing of territories under any occupying nation maybe reviewed by the tribunal over any matter, with the Tribunal retaining the power to order change as set forth by it's powers.
1.1.1.1.4 Occupying nations retain the right to collect taxes from their regions as reparations for war time costs. Level of taxation subject to the review of the Tribunal
1.1.1.1.5 They shall pass the legislation of their territories
1.1.1.1.6 May organize their territories as they sit fit for governance
1.1.1.1.7 Must enforce the laws they make inside their territories
1.1.1.1.8 Must form courts to hear trials and review laws
2 This Charter establishes the Tribunal of West Dysanii, the Tribunal shall be comprised of One tribune from each occupying state
2.1 The Tribunes shall each hold one vote in the Tribune
2.2 Tribunes of each nation are chosen at the discretion of their representative states
2.3 The Tribunal shall have the powers to:
2.3.1 Review the governing of territories within West Dysanii
2.3.1.1 The Tribunal may only act authoritatively on territories based on their reviews
2.3.1.2 The Tribunal may demand a change or halt on actions within territories
2.3.1.3 The Tribunal may outlaw certain practices by the governments of these territories
2.3.1.4 The Review of Governing shall be a judgment passed by the Tribunal and the orders of the Tribunal based on the review passed by a simple majority and using the above powers.
2.3.1.4.1 Should voting on the review be an even split, no action occurs, called a deadlock
2.3.1.4.2 items may be brought up for review by any tribune once unless a deadlock occurs. In the case of a dead lock, Items may only be brought up for review again, should a deadlock occur, during the next session of the Tribunal
2.3.1.4.3 Reviews of the Tribunal may be appealed by member states the session after it's passing, and reviews may only be repealed by a 2/3's majority vote
2.3.2 Raise and maintain a defense force comprising of troops from all territories
2.3.3 Raise taxes on all persons on top of any taxes by territorial government to support the military and grant loans
2.4 May enforce the judgment of the review by:
2.4.1 suspension of Tribunal rights for that nation
2.4.2 repeal of the right of that nation to tax their territories
2.4.3 military action of tribunal states
2.4.4 absorb territories of the state
2.4.4.1 This action may only be passed with a 2/3 majority vote
3. This Charter shall set forth the rights of the occupied peoples of West Dysanii
3.1 Right to a Fair Trial
3.1.1 Right to an attorney
3.2 Right to a Just punishment, reflecting the magnitude of their crimes
3.3 protection from unreasonable torture
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<ooc>Can someone explain to me, in a pm if you'd like, just what the heck happened here? ??? Last I checked, Dysanii was kind of winning and now all of the sudden we're talking about annexation, occupation, etc of a defeated Dysanii. Did anything happen between the time he walked out of the peace talks and when this coup happened?
At any rate...</ooc>
"Why should Canada have a portion of the west? What purpose would it serve? Reparations can be made in other ways."
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(Dysanii began to lose the war as more nations joined the Canadian cause till finally internal rebellions brought about a surrender. Now Dysanii is begin diced and quartered between conquering nations. I & delfos are attempting to maintain a Dysanii national identity against total annexation. Canada wants a portion of Dysanii as war reparations for Canada will be extraordinarily high.)
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The Greater Canadian Empire agrees to this charter.
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I agree that Canada may have a portion of Western Dysanii, but the alliances should be kept out of this, Dysanii people have the right to live free from collective interests that aren't even related to their former nation.
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Not participating in the discussions until now, the Emperor of the Enlightened Empire, along with Administrator Fay Celen and Army Administrator Inoue Akira, dressed in rather simple, but still modern-looking black uniforms, quietly listened to the proposals of the foreign nation's representants. But finally, the Emperor rose from his seat in the middle raw.
"The Enlightened Empire disagrees. The Dysaniian nation has proven itself multiple times of not being capable of being lead by themselves. We do not need to create semi-autonomous states; no, those two parts of the former Dysanii will just try to reunite as soon as possible. Also, many brave soldiers died defending Canada, defending their allies, or their homeland, as it was the case in the Dysaniian forces."
He took a short break.
"All of you know that the Enlightened Empire has shown very...imperialistic ambitions again recently. Well, it is time for us not only to punish the Dysaniian leaders for the crimes they committed; it is also time for us to reclaim our territory. As you probably know; most of the Canadian-American continent was ours, at the height of the Enlightened Empire's power, with only a few independents on it. After we lost the great unification war, those lands were lost. Now, time has come, to lead the Enlightened Empire to new glory; not only for the sake of the leadership, but also for the sake of it's residents."
Again, the Emperor stopped his speech for a few seconds.
"I'm not claiming whole Dysanii for Feniexia itself. Many nations fought in this war, and each deserves rewards for their successful attempts of liberating Dysanii. Also, I do not disagree with your plans to part the Dysaniian nation into a PI-controlled- and Non-PI-controlled half. But we do not wish to share what we bought with the blood of many brave Feniexians that fell in battle."
He sat down again. Before he explained more about his plans with Dysanii, he wanted to see the reactions of the other nation's representants.
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To the nations involved in the Debellatio Conference,
I would like to attend this conference, however late, to observe and speak my opinion. Myroria will not push to have any land; we did not participate and more land would be harder to control anyway. Please respond fastidiously.
Meneldur Tar-Ilium.
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"This disgusting comment by the Feniexian *Empire* revolts my guts! Now the Dysanian people have to live under such regime as yours or alliance controlled territories?! It's in no one right to govern or lead any part of Dysanii or Dysanian people beyond the fact of the war lost against Canada. After all the western population of Dysanii, specially the ones near the old border have similar customs than the Canadian, and the assimilation, however forced, has the just means to exist. But no one else should ever take away the land where they have born, the language they speak, their culture and specially their own identity as Dysanian. No one else but Canada should be entitled to have any part of Dysanii. The only thing we can do is forcing them to pay for the damage done to Canada and other nations involved in the Great Border War."
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Lieutenant-General Arron Pickard, a student of Political Science at the Imperial War Collage, stared down the Feniexian Representatives. "My Feniexian, friends. As you know Validus has deployed its troops along the Eastern Half of Dysanii, along with New Delfos. I will tell you this now, if you attempt to annex any area under the juristiction of the AC, will, well lets just say dont even try it."
~Thanato
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(Dysanii began to lose the war as more nations joined the Canadian cause till finally internal rebellions brought about a surrender. Now Dysanii is begin diced and quartered between conquering nations. I & delfos are attempting to maintain a Dysanii national identity against total annexation. Canada wants a portion of Dysanii as war reparations for Canada will be extraordinarily high.)
Dys still occupied Canadian turf and wasn't being pushed back or anything, SOME nations had actually begun to withdraw like My, and it was only the first day of Ironhide and Val and Delfos's landing, which hadn't even finished yet. What makes you think Dys was losing at this point in time?</ooc>
"I agree with Delfos's position up until the part about Canada, but since I'm seemingly alone in supporting this, I'll just drop it."
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ooc: This war is over. Time for some political drama.
We of the Free Valhene Movement send a message to the victorious maestros of this meeting, to proclaim our goal of a free and independent democratic republican government and Nation in the Valhene state district. We will adopt the original constitution of our former Republic and actively campaign peacefully for the support of this movement throughout Valhene, and leave our fellow compatriots to decide.
We will safeguard with our voice, what our arms failed to defend. Freedom. Liberty. Independence.
We ask for international support of our campaign to independence, and hopefully, recognition of the new Republic of Valhene. The motives of the war started by our former-federal government is of not importance to us. At present, we are only interested in safeguarding our identity and freedom for future generations.
Sincerely,
Louis Vassa
FVM
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ooc:I was going to RP some Valhene nationalists (from dysanii), it's hard to make someone fighting for independence of Valhene as a nation and not Dysanii since it seems they'r quite nationalist, if you exchange your Valhene word for Dysanii I'll support it fully. Otherwise, sorry but no Valhene for you :p
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Field Marshal WOrthington looked as the representatives fought over a possible Feneixian colonization. "The Canadian Empire will also not accept Feneixian colonization of any region here on the South continent. As for the Canadian claim, we ask that we claim the two large border provinces of North Acadia and South Acadia as well as the Great Lake island that the Great Lake fleet has occupied. We are going to organize these three provinces into a single nation with self-rule called the Kingdom of Acadia. The Canadian government is willing to let the kingdom have it's own elected government and it's own small defense force. The Canadian government wants these three provinces because the Acadians have a culture that is close to Canadian culture and the island is hardly inhabited, but it is a stratigic position."
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"I can not understand your trust in the Dysaniian nation. How many times has it been proven that they are not capable of ruling themselves? Also, allowing them to maintain defense forces will just lead to more tensions. They will rise again, but they won't forget. The Canadian Empire won't be the benevolent peacebringer, not the protector from imperialistic forces, but just the nation which crushed their economy, the nation which caused so much pain to them; they will ignore the fact that their former government started the war. They will despise the Canadian Empire, and soon, there will be conflicts again. We have to ensure that Dysanii is under control to maintain peace."
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"The Canadian army will still be there watching over things and a military governor will be appointed to keep an eye on the government. There will be other forces there to make sure the Acadians don't rise up. Empress Alia wants to show to the Acadians that even though they fought to destroy Greater Canada, she sees them as equals. There is no need to presecute the people just because the government started the war and killed many Canadians. I have reports here of some Acadians sheltering Canadian escaped POWs and those from concentration camps. Here is one from Lieutenant von Hessian, grandson of former Chancellor Yuri von Hessian. He was in a POW camp and was able to escape. According to this report, an Acadian family sheltered thus endangering their own lives. Now he is getting married to their oldest daughter. You see, many Acadians saw us as a similiar people. But as for the destroyed economy, the Empress has come up with an idea to help them rebuild their economy, but the plans are classified."
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(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7160/dysaniinewrp3.png)
I hope the red shape corresponds to your view of N/S Acadia and that you do not dislike the name for the island as Moonhattan, inspired by the lake-like place, moon shape region around, and the fact it's surrounded by water, water being related to the moon, and the suffix being related to USA-like Dysanii, from "Manhattan" if you didn't figure that out...
Also, in Yellow is the region of Valhene, 2 in 1 map.
ic: "Government changes! The coup to the irresponsible government of Dysanii have put an end to this kind of mafia in the power, the people are free again! Don't try to judge the future actions of a possible new democratic government of Dysanii when they only had the old irresponsible one. Everyone leans with history, we must make sure everyone learns that in Dysanii for once, and for now on that they will make their own precautions against such war-leading governments."
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ooc: Thanks, I like it.
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After listening for some time, the Emperor realized that Delfos was pushing for a completely independent state. Surely they realized the Dysanii were a conquered people. "Christstan pushes our Government for an occupied Dysanii due to the fact that Dysanii is an occupied state. With the Tribunal, we can effectively curb any form of tyranny on these people, but still recoup our losses in this war. Dysanii is a conquered state, and as such they must be dealt with as a conquered people. We intend on forming a semi-democratic state in the territory allocated to us, and we will stand by our right to at least temporarily occupy Dysanii so that we may monitor there actions and snub out the nostalgia felt by these people. Only then, when they feel no ties to their former government and it's policies, can we remove our forces from their lands. Christstan pushes for those accused of war crimes to be put on fair trials, led by justices from our respective countries where we may define "war crimes". We oppose total annexation, but all must realize the necessity of temporary occupation and suppression."
With that Christstan looked to Canada, true ally and supporter of her policies.
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"I don't want a Dysanii with vengeance in it's heart on our doorstep, but we can show them that we are compassionate and that we are there to help them get back on track and to make sure they don't try to repeat history. Bring those accused of war crimes forward, put them on trial. I am behind the Emperor on this. I oppose total annexation, but we need to occupy the nation temporarily because it will lead to civil war if we don't and then Canada will be in danger of invasion again. We need to stay to make sure this never happens again."
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"I would prefer that the IPO handles the creation of any Acadian state that may come about. After you previously claimed to want to annex the region, I want to make sure no government in territories formerly part of Dysanii become puppets to any other state."
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"They are not going to be puppets, they will be a self-governing kingdom with their own defense force and government, the only difference is that they will have the Empress of Canada as Queen of Acadia and as their head of state, which in my country isn't a powerful position. The government will be run by a Prime Minister elected by the people of Acadia.
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"What reason would there be to not allow the IPO handle it?"
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"There is no reason for IPO not to do it. But the Allies agreed that the Empire is allowed to lay claim to the western provinces. But some of them were able to convince me to not annex them, but to turn them into a self-governing dominion of my Empire. We laid claim to certain areas by the people and their similiar customs to the Canadians, and to strategic location. And besides, most nations wouldn't allow them to have self-rule and a defense force. We however don't believe in that. "
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"The government of Loyan believes that Dysanii should be annexed by the Canadian Federation, and be subjected to "behavior" reforms by their Canadian liberators in order to "curb" anymore intentions of hostility. This war started without a rational reason at all, a stupid stunt by a nationalistic government that had cost the lives of of innocent civilians and men in uniform. The Dysaniian clearly do not have the capacity to govern themselves peacefully and need a more moral authority, such as the Canadian government, to assist it in "therapy". We can not sacrifice global stability over the independence of an aggressive people."
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Why has no one replied to my request?
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OOC: Well, Loyan broke in having contributed nothing more then one minor naval loss to the campaign. Why can't you do the same?
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"There is no reason for IPO not to do it. But the Allies agreed that the Empire is allowed to lay claim to the western provinces. But some of them were able to convince me to not annex them, but to turn them into a self-governing dominion of my Empire. We laid claim to certain areas by the people and their similiar customs to the Canadians, and to strategic location. And besides, most nations wouldn't allow them to have self-rule and a defense force. We however don't believe in that. "
"First you were talking about annexation, then about making an independent Acadian state, and now you're talking about making it a part of Canada again. Could you either make a decision or explain your intentions better? If you intend for an independent government, separate from Canadian rule, then it would be if the IPO handled setting up the government. I'm not saying you shouldn't occupy the region to protect yourselves, however."
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OOC: Well, Loyan broke in having contributed nothing more then one minor naval loss to the campaign. Why can't you do the same?
ooc: Militarily, yes. But economic and logistic wise, I did more than most of you. Without me, Canada won't had been able to upkeep his second massive war or build those supertanks ;D.
ADD: I'm still puzzled on why Dysanii didn't target my shipping to Canada. Was the Allies' blockade that effective?
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ooc: Thanks Loyan.
Alright, the Kingdom of Acadia will become an independent nation with the Empress as it's Queen, but the Empress wants to create a loose federation or alliance with it's dominions so that every dominion has a voice in the Empire. (similar to a federated Commonwealth of Nations). The Kingdom of Acadia will be a self-governing dominion.
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<ooc>Hmmm... shouldn't it possibly be technically a Queendom or something like that?</ooc>
So you're still wanting them to be part of the Empire?
<ooc>Sounds more like Puerto Rico to me. With the commonwealth, while they may all have the same king and queen, they're all fully sovereign states. Sounds like you're basing it off of Puerto Rico, which is a territory of the US and thus, the US claims sovereignty over them. This is the same as what you want to do with Acadia, right?</ooc>
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No, no. The Empire is the Canadian Empire, the Kingdom is the Kingdom of Acadia. I was basing more off of Australia and Canada in the RL British Empire, then Perto Rico in the American Empire, because Purto Rico doesn't have it's own defense force.
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You're talking about making Acadia a dominion of the Empire and saying that each dominion would "have a voice in the Empire" though... how is that not making it part of Canada? And Puerto Rico kinda has it's own defense forces, the Puerto Rico National Guard...
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Anyone else agrees that Dysanii should be independent and let the people live as dysaniians? forcing an IPO controlled elections for the following years would install a democratic government system in Dysanii, and they would govern themselves, I can't see why they shouldn't, why would they revolt again against Canada? There was a coup, no one else but Valhene wackos want to loose their nationality.
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ooc: How about Canada gets Arcadia as war compensation, and what's left of Dysanii should be renamed as the Valhene Republic?
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"Lets not forget that the Eastern Half of Dysanii is under the control of the Valideen Government. If we are carving up Dysanii, maybe my government wouldn't mind a 'Dominion' of its own."
~Thanato
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ooc: We're trying to get a free Dysanii, if the result of your elections isn't Imperialism, try to think about supporting independent freedom, although I think we should force some repairs and dependency.
I also do not think this new Dysanii should be renamed, but if so, not with the name of one of the regions, that would be rather dull. Not Valhene 'Republic' please.
ic: "How about we discuss the value of repair each nation needs from this bloody war? Also what restrictions they might get.
Surely the Coalition together should get the double of what Canada will. Corresponds to the time and losses of fighting. My government is very interested in the market."
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(If we are dividing, just go back to my constitution because it will curb any tyranny in these areas. Christstan plans on making a semi-autonomous republic anyway, should we gain any territory.)
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lol, no.
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(dammit Delfos, you must see that just leaving them alone all free like is not an option. If we want something marginally good for these guys we must work for a realistic solution for our imperialistic land grabbing allies.)
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ic: "How about we discuss the value of repair each nation needs from this bloody war? Also what restrictions they might get.
Surely the Coalition together should get the double of what Canada will. Corresponds to the time and losses of fighting. My government is very interested in the market."
first 5 years they must not have military, only police forces. next 5 years the military forces must be restricted to minimum for defense only, after this period of 10 years, he's able to do whatever he want, and allowed to produce war machines.
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Very well, for the 10 years we occupy these territories, how do you plan on governing the people of Dysanii? We can't just leave troops there. You plan on us divvying up the place for 10 years?
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occupy? who said anything about occupation?
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??? you can't just invade a nation and just leave it! You must allow time to set up a government, and some time to recoup your losses. I doubt any of the allies will agree to just leaving them.
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you haven't read allot of the RP lately, have you? Plus I'm campaigning for a free dysanii, so no occupations.
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I have read the posts in this thread and as far as I can tell Thanto, Fenxia and Canada all seem to be trying to divide Dysanii. And while I support a free Dysanii we must come to a realistic conclusion for all participants. All I want is a recoup for my losses (getting a chunk of the taxes for a while), plus a little bit extra for being victorious.
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OOC: Well, time to divide. Has anyone a map of Dysanii?
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jhahaha, this will lead to a post of mine, this is not yet decided while there's some saying they are free and independent.
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It seems most are in favor of dividing the place up. I think a solid compromise would be a temporary division. Of Course Delfos can opt to just leave it's portion. Most of us understand you can't liberate a place and just up and leave.
We should just vote. Make a list of those involved (or those allowed by ALL involved parties) and put it to a vote. Total Division, Temporary Division, or total up and go. Or Delfos can again (seeing as being one of the few parties involved not wanting anything) can opt to leave their territory alone and the other parties cannot touch it.
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Canada should be the moderator of this discussion, I don't even know how Christistan would have a word in the "debellatio"
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We seriously need to figure out what the hell will happen to the eastern and central parts of Dysanii. That business of the Valhene Republic really screwed up this conference. I am going to allow the Free State of Aemilion to have the Isle. (Cause most of those opposed to the Canadian occupation live there.). So we decide here, what will be done with the rest of occupied Dysanii?
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>:( I joined in at the end actually if you wish to speak of reading Rp. We all assumed a time skip as a rebellion and our invasion happened.
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Ah no problem, I'm going to ignore Valhene Republic until this topic is complete, I've stated it in this very interesting topic (http://forum.taijitu.org/out-of-character-discussions/valhene-hassle/0/).
I'll just assume Valhene Republic never came to existence...yet.
>:( I joined in at the end actually if you wish to speak of reading Rp. We all assumed a time skip as a rebellion and our invasion happened.
Sorry, I must have missed, or it was another thing created during Loyan's time-warp.
Anyway, IC: "The Aurorean Coalition as a collective does not reserve interest in annexing the eastern territories. New Delfos doesn't either, and supports the liberation of whole territory, but as expressed, we think Canada is entitled to move his border eastwards. Since we're both in IPO, don't you think this should be discussed in IPO? After all, this peace globalizing organization has the purpose of making a common agreement and good for the member nations.
Now it clicked me, we should force Dysanii to sign the IPO membership, Human Rights Charter and Anti-NBC Proliferation treaty, as it serves for global good.
I think the important thing left to be discussed is the military restrictions to Dysanii. The ones I stated already are still agreed by the New Delfos government."
first 5 years they must not have military, only police forces. next 5 years the military forces must be restricted to minimum for defense only, after this period of 10 years, he's able to do whatever he want, and allowed to produce war machines.
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(Lets not forget about this Candian Defense Summit (http://forum.taijitu.org/treaty-conferencesorganisations/canadian-defense-summit-versailles-imperial-palace-christstan/0/))
The Emperor rose once again, this time, altering his views slightly. "Christstan has maintained an anti-imperialist standpoint. All we have advocated is some for of reparations. If we create a government in Dysanii, they shall be forced to pay Reparations to the various involved parties. Canada shall receive none as the Eastern portion of the nation has been given to her and this will ease the tax burden on the people somewhat. We also suggest increasing the military restrictions to greater time spans, till a point where all nostalgia and dissent has largely subsided."
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"We think this repairs can be done trough time with a free Dysanii. Our thoughts about this option is that each one of you that need repairs should negotiate with Dysanii, preferentially in presence of IPO, or even in the IPO International Court. One of our goals would include a Naval Base in Valhene and a decreasing payment to New Delfos government, maybe throughout those 10 years of military restrictions."
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"The government of Validus may decide to pull out of Dysanii, with the exception of leaving a small pocket of Valideen Control zone. Well I guess small is how you look at it. however this all depends on what the insurgency has in mind for us."
~Thanato
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I hope we already control the Insurgency issue before leaving all together. But this small force is well thought, maybe you, as I, can request an army base in Valhene.
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Validus will request nothing. And we will place it were ever in Dysanii we seem stragicly fit.
~Thanato
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Feniexia has as strong military presence near the north-east coast and the former Dysaniian capital; those are the areas that we claim.
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ooc: I don't know what and where the capital is.
"Claims? Why should we claim anything?"
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"If Delfos does not intend to claim the territory they have occupied, it is their right, but the Enlightened Empire will not give up for what our soldiers have died."
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Were you dieing to colonize Dysanii? Was that your goal? Taking advantage of everyone else dieing to end the war against Canada for your own profit?
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OOC: I absolutely don't see how Fenexeia has any claim on Dysanii. At all.
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Ok, I leave for a few days and this begins to fall apart. No one has any claim on any piece of Dysaniian territory and I will contest any claim, politically, economiclly, and if need be, militarily. Yes, even you Feneixians. We should work for the people of Dysanii. And if these false claims continue to happen, I will have soldiers sent to East and central Dysanii to make sure no claims are made.
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OOC: lol @ ^
Leaving the thread...
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Dont worry Canadians, it was a threat, not an action plan. But remember the entire Eastern Half of Dysanii is occupied by the AC. I wouldnt reccomend laucnhing a hostile attack in that area. Validus will deal with Eastern Land Grabs.
OOC: Were the hell are the Feneixians
~Thanato
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"Yes, the Enlightened Empire agrees to you that we have to work for the Dysaniian nation, to restore peace to the continent and good living conditions to the population - but the way Canada plans to take is simply ineffective. Dysanii will rise again if given too much liberty to rule themselves uncontrolled. I see neither any good point for leaving the territory we occupied nor any right the Canadian government has to force us to do so. Feniexia does not intend having conflicts with the Canadian Empire; both of us know how long we have been allies; but we will not let Canada take away what is rightfully ours."
OOC:
And yes, the fighting for territory is boring. This is my final claim; I will not continue asking for land.
@Validus:
Feniexia has as strong military presence near the north-east coast and the former Dysaniian capital; those are the areas that we claim.
And please, please write Feniexia the right way ;_; .
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your trouble, we could say that in Inglish, Feniexia is written Fenexia, it's logical.
"And the military restrictions to Dysanii?"
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"Dysanii shall not be granted to own any military equipment except purely defensive technology, like rocket shields or ground-to-air missiles. There shall be no military trained individuals or groups; police and emergency reaction groups shall be allowed, however. All military equipment they currently own shall be destroyed or seized by the occupying forces."
OOC: Um, Feniexia's main language is Inglish, although the word "Feniexia" itself has it roots in the Feniexian equivalent to RL world's Latin ;) . But we could say that "Fenexia" is co-used to the official "Feniexia" because it is easier to pronounce (since "Feniexia" is spoken like it was a German word, not an English one; "Fenexia" can be pronounced the English way and still sound like the original).
Oh, and is there really no map of Dysanii? I thought I've seen one some time ago...
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"I'm not sure if we agree with this, first they should be granted their own military power in time, time to adjust and to let their ambitions die. Maybe all that restricted military power for the first 5 years and small restricted armed force for the other 5 years. After the 10th year they would have again all their right for military force.
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"AA missiles cannot defend against tanks and foot soldiers. They need a standard military, albeit a limited one."
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It's a point, but I don't think we should go that specific right now. I'm more interested in the period of time of the restrictions and the general basis of restriction, will they be able to provide their own security?
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OOC: Feniexia were is the capitol? Cause the entire eastern half of Dysanii is Occupied by Delfos and Validus.
~Thanato
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"I see no reason for anyone outside the PI trying to invade the unoccupied parts of former Dysanii, so there is no need for tanks. We might consider allowing Dysanii to have military forces of about 5000 soldiers, only equipped with small arms and anti-vehicle-weapons, so they should at least be able to defend themselves against an possible opponent until foreign troops arrive. But they shall not be able to defend their nation on their own. Feniexia does not trust them. As I said many times before, if we grant former Dysanii too much power, it will only result in war again."
OOC: I don't know where exactly, I still have no map, but I was assuming it was near the "middle" of Dysanii. Feniexian troops invaded Dysanii began their conquest on the northern coast, partly attacking forces in the eastern and southern parts of Dysanii, but concentrating mainly on the way to the capital.
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But we want to give them some independence after some time. Maybe that condition that they wouldn't be able to defend themselves without foreign aid would extend in a period of 5 years, then another 5 for being able to defend themselves without foreign aid, and then after the 10th independent, I'm thinking that way...maybe we can make larger periods of time, although 20 years sound too far for me, poor Dysanii. And yes we agree on the tanks, they don't need armored vehicles or anything like that for the first period of time.
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OOC: I don't know where exactly, I still have no map, but I was assuming it was near the "middle" of Dysanii. Feniexian troops invaded Dysanii began their conquest on the northern coast, partly attacking forces in the eastern and southern parts of Dysanii, but concentrating mainly on the way to the capital.
When did this happen? I don't recall you ever rping this...
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OOC: I made a few RP posts and PMs planning the Invasion before Dysanii announced the time jump since he did not want to RP the war anymore.
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ooc: It now is time to continue this.
We should now discuss the I think, since a number of independent nations as well as the defunct Dysanii that the DYSFOR is holding have been created, we should create finally a central government. Since the various Dysaniian nations are monarchies and republics, we could unite them all into a nation called the United Dysaniian States. A Dysanii that is composed of a number of self-governing states united by a federal government. The self-governing status of autonomous regions is constitutionally entrenched and cannot be revoked by an unilateral decision of the central government. The states in the country also maintain all political sovereignty that they do not yield to the federal government. Is that something we can all agree on. This would the best way to go so we can all withdraw. The Kingdom of Acadia will join such a federation, as long as they stay as a monarchy.
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ooc: you and your federation concept :p anyway, finally someone brought this up, it seemed you were doing on purpose.
IC: Yes, the small region of Valhene is under control, we will hand it to a newly formed government as soon it's officialized together with the restrictions to be imposed. Unless you want to skip any restrictions, we are waiting for a word of this unity or whoever fit wants to take the region back so that we can agree for our departure.
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ooc: :D
ic: The civil war in Acadia will be put down in a few days at the most. But when it has been put down, then we will be ready to hand it to a new government. I suggest we organize Dysanii into seven federal districts (for example: Acadia, Aemillia, Valhene, and four others) and turn the capital into a federal city. As for the government, perhaps a figurehead President of Dysanii and a leading Federal Chancellor (ooc: like Germany). A Federal Parliament should also be created as well and we should have the people elect the leaders and the seats of the Federal Parliament. And whoever the president is, will also be crowned King or Queen of Acadia, as an elected monarchy. The various federal districts should be governed by Prime Ministers (or in Acadia's case, King) who are the heads of state of the states. But the King of Acadia unlike the Prime Minister will be a figure-head and the real ruler will be the Prime Minister of Acadia. They should also have their own state legislations. This way we don't need to get rid of the already situated governments in the various nation-states.
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Feniexia denies any foreign nation access to the former Dysaniian capital in such ways. We propose that a new city is chosen as a capital for this "new" Dysanii, since the Enlightened Empire shows no intentions of leaving it's territory to foreigners, neither of allowing a foreign nation's government to establish their government center in a Feniexian city which is definitely not part of that nation.
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ooc: At what point did you annex this territory. I'm curious. And furthermore, at what point are Dysanii foreigners in their former capital?
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OOC: "Foreigners" in the sense of "another nation's government and/or population"; the Feniexian leadership recognizes their occupied territory as official Feniexian territory, not only property, but also part of the Enlightened Empire.
The annexation was never RPed out completely; I only RPed how I dispatched my troops into Dysanii and made a few battle plan posts (including that I will head for the capital). Dysanii declared the war as finished with him loosing since he did not wanted to continue RPing the war a few days later, so I did not post further RPs concerning how I invaded his nation.
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The Feniexian government will leave this territory, or face economical, political, or even military actions.
~Thanato
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ooc: Coalition forces in dysanii, aka DYSFOR, never annexed any territory.
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Celen's eyebrow rose for a short time, but then, her expression changed from surprisement to arrogance. "Validus poses no threat to the Enlightened Empire."
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"Of course not, we don't want to roll over, your 'Empire' might be crushed."
~Thanato
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"Well, I am feeling that I should advise you to cease further threats, hostilities or insults toward Feniexia; or Validus will face consequences for the misbehavior of one of it's rather incompetent
individuals. You should be well informed about our capabilities. Playing with fire can sometimes lead to burned fingers, and I guess you would not like to be hurt..."
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Why don't both of you put your cocks on the table so we can settle this right now? Otherwise, we've more important issues on the table.
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<ooc>That is rather disturbing since in a short story I just read for school, a Chinese dude often "put his naked genital on the table" during dinner because he has brain damage from when a "Jap bayoneted him in the head."</ooc>
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Fay Celen rewarded the Delfian with a sharp look, but she did not say anything.