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Author Topic: Council of the Ardan Union  (Read 4143 times)

Offline Aquatoria

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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2007, 04:31:05 AM »
The point that he is saying is that why are we talking about freedom and equality in our Union, when you are allowing genocide to take place in your country. We aren't going to force laws on you. that's not what the Union does. But we will advise that you find a way to stop the killings. To be xenophobic and racist is fine, that's your culture, but allowing the killings is wrong and I know you know that.
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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2007, 04:39:28 AM »
OOC: It's not that his Police allow it, it's that they aren't properly motivated into stopping it. Perhaps offer motivation, since his government doesn't pay them anyways.
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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2007, 01:34:57 PM »
What are you talking about Xyrael, my law enforcement budget is 669,075,916,858. Assuming 1 out of every 300 people are police in Myroria, that means there are 10,220,000, which could result in the absolute maximum salary of 65,467 a year, or more like 30,000 since we spend most of it on vehicles, etc.

Canada, its not genocide. If a policemen sees a person murdering a Delfian, he'll arrest them. However, if a Delfian turns up murdered, we don't really waste the money helping the country that hates us anyway.
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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2007, 02:51:35 PM »
who the fuck hates you? New Delfos has been neutral to Myroria since the beginning, you are the one that hates. You don't want to spend your money it's fine, just create an Ardan Monetary Union Zone and stay out of it. But not complying with most of the points of the constitution is what makes you the devil you don't want to be.

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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2007, 03:17:20 PM »
I knew that this would be a problem when I created this Union, but I thought that bringing both of you into the Ardan Union might improve your relations a bit better. I have an idea. Myroria, if you don't want to spend money on trying to find those who killed innocent Delfians, then perhaps we can create an international Ardan Police Force that's sole purpose is to stop killings of Delfians, Myrorians, Canadians, and Tacolicians in other countries. They will arrest and prosecute those responisble. What do you say? Deflos, I want to hear more about this Monetary Union Zone.
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4. The Senate shall have the power to remove the Delegate or Vice Delegate from office if they in their opinion have violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu, broken their oath or failed to fulfill their duties, by a two-thirds majority vote.

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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2007, 03:29:41 PM »
ooc: this is my last ooc post in this thread. I used sunset to look at your budget, since you have a 0% tax rate you can't afford to hire police, therefore it must be a corporation. If you're using a different tracker, I'd like to know which.
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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2007, 04:30:04 PM »
oc: That's income tax, most police forces are supported by property tax that municipal government collects.
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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2007, 04:34:12 PM »
Yeah Xyrael, here's how the government makes money:

One-time property tax of 15% (Pay 15% of your property's worth to the government when you buy it)
Sales tax
Fines for speeding, et cetera

The United States was doing just fine with its police force before the 1920's, when it installed its income tax.



Delfos, who said I don't want to be the devil? Myroria's not a utopia, but it sure as hell is better then your nation, where one out of every 4 people are unemployed, black market is something like 16% of your economy, and one Kolonialreich mark is worth more than 4 delfs.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2007, 04:40:33 PM by Libertarian Monarchy of Myroria »
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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2007, 04:40:19 PM »
So Myroria will you or will you not agree to an Ardan Police Force?
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Article II: The Legislative

4. The Senate shall have the power to remove the Delegate or Vice Delegate from office if they in their opinion have violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu, broken their oath or failed to fulfill their duties, by a two-thirds majority vote.

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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2007, 04:41:43 PM »
I think this would be intruding on national identity too much. Delfos just needs to suck it up and join if he wants to join.
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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2007, 04:43:25 PM »
Alright, I'm trying not to destroy national identity. Deflos can join and if they want amendments to the constitution, then when the elections for the PM come up, he can run as a candidate.
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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2007, 05:40:21 PM »
ooc: atm i see no profit in joining. You got nazi members that discriminate my people, and as far as i want to have good relations with Myroria, he just doesn't want it. I was hoping he could change his anti-delfian and nazi ideals so that this union would actually worth to continue to exist.

About the monetary zone, it exists in European Union. It's called Euro Zone. Countries in this euro zone have to comply with the Central Bank, their economies will be joint up for the common wealth, and countries actually have to comply with laws created by this commissions. Such laws can have environmental basis, for example, it would be impossible that Europeans could be blamed for the extinction of a specie like it happened with the white dolphin in China. More about economy: UK is in Euro Zone, they receive aid from the budget, the farmers and anyone that obtains aid are reason to profit and prosper both themselves and the countries inside Euro Zone. At a point i think UK should use Euro instad of their coin since they are in the Euro Zone. Would be more logical, if they do not wish to loose identity and profitable coin they should be OUT of the Euro Zone. What i mean is that UK profits for being in it without having Euro. But anyway, continuing, countries in Euro Zone have to pay the union so that the union can pay back. The countries cannot have a deficit larger than -3% or -0.3% (i cannot remember), if they have it 3 consecutive and gets worse they disrupt the aiding and their seat in the Euro Zone, but if it's getting better they give more aid so they take the deficit away. Bottom line, we all make sacrifices.

New Delfos might not have the best economy but at least we don't even have deficit last time i checked. So we would actually be lenders inside the Ardan Monetary Union Zone. We would be paying Myroria's xenophobism and other Myroria's spending. But since he doesn't even wish to have the coin nor give money to anyone i would suggest that he's taken away from the AMU Zone.

This leads me to the other part of the deal, the lack of sacrifice of such important nation in our continent (quite parallel to USA int he world), makes me believe there would not be any profit in joining, and the only worthy partnership i would find is Canada and Quebec, wich I already have a Coalition with, having economic and protection partnership. I don't wish another alliance with Canada, what we have is already strong and worthy. No need for a second.

I hope i expressed my view over the AU, i wish good luck and prosper of it, but i would rather that you all didn't allow inhuman things to happen.

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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2007, 05:57:48 PM »
Nazi would be sending Delfians to concentration camps, which we don't do. Myroria's people are racist, yes, but its more a case of neglegence then outright genocide. We're not even as bad as Takasia.
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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2007, 06:15:46 PM »
Well, we have Delfos' answer. Let's see if we can create a Monterary Zone. I like it. Sounds profitable.
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4. The Senate shall have the power to remove the Delegate or Vice Delegate from office if they in their opinion have violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu, broken their oath or failed to fulfill their duties, by a two-thirds majority vote.

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Re: Council of the Ardan Union
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2007, 11:58:28 PM »
I am asking those here to help New Delfos in their thing in Utopia. I suggest either peacekeepers or fully armed soldiers.
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Article II: The Legislative

4. The Senate shall have the power to remove the Delegate or Vice Delegate from office if they in their opinion have violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu, broken their oath or failed to fulfill their duties, by a two-thirds majority vote.

"YES WE CAN!" Barack Obama 2007