Taijitu
Forum Meta => May 2008 - Government of Taijitu => Government Archive => Archive => The Supreme Court => Topic started by: Eluvatar on April 14, 2007, 09:56:00 PM
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BY UNANIMOUS ASSENT
Supreme Court of Taijitu Decision 1
"The Removal of Dren Egral A's Citizenship"
On the ninth of April, at 04:53 Pacific Standard Time, the nation of "Dren Egral A" (inverse of "A large nerd") entered Taijitu. Later that day, between 08:02 and 10:39 Pacific Standard Time, they departed for a region of their own making. Within 31 hours they had attained over 40 endorsements in Taijitu by endorsing every single UN member in the region. The Executive Government was appropriately shaken by these developments and discussions began of how to respond. It was being discussed by the Ministers whether or not to give Citizenship to Dren Egral A, who had at that point applied. While this discussion was ongoing, the Minister of Internal Affairs granted Citizenship. The other Ministers and the Delegate being displeased, he then decided to revoke it. At that time the Speaker and Minister of Community became irate and both prodded the Court into action and began proceedings for the Minister of Internal Affairs's Impeachment.
Article VI, Section 2 clause 2 of the Constitution of Taijitu states that "Citizenship may not be revoked without the due process of law." Now it does provide for temporary restrictions on Citizens during investigations, but the outright revocation of citizenship is unconstitutional. As Remedy, the Court requires that Citizenship be restored to DrenEgralA post haste, and instructs that the Minister of Internal Affairs avoid repeating this mistake. We do not however believe this honest mistake justifies impeachment, especially when it is so easily reversible. We advise the Senate to allow the Delegate to continue to deal with the Ministry of Internal Affairs as she sees fit.
Finally, the Court affirms that it would have been Constitutional for the Minister of Internal Affairs to refuse Citizenship to DrenEgralA, but once said citizenship was issued DrenEgralA gained constitutional rights to keep their Citizenship. The Ministry of Internal Affairs does not need to be a rubber stamp of Citizenship and the aggressive collection of endorsements and other security factors would be legitimate reasons to give additional scrutiny, and possibly refusal to an application.
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I am extremely dismayed by this situation, of which I was never notified. I stumbled upon this decision by accident. The wisdom of the court is without question.
However, I will begin looking for a more friendly and welcoming region in which to place my nation, one that is less suspicious of my *right* as UN member to endorse any and ALL member nations *I* see fit to endorse.
I’m sorry for the trouble I caused and am very disappointed by the region of Taijitu.
Perhaps a less skittish and paranoid delegate would be better suited to represent the ideals that Taijitu seemingly holds itself up to. But that is not my concern, as I mentioned, in the next few days I will begin searching for a more suitable and honest region in which to locate my nation.
I thought I had found a home, apparently I was incorrect.
Dren Egral A
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Eh? How do you consider Taijitu dishonest?
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Because noone ever told him to stop.
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Why does that make us dishonest? I don't get it.
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DrenEgralA, your purported "right" to gather endorsements does not extend to the point that you can accrue enough that you actually unlawfully take over the delegacy. Taijitu like many other regions requires that such hand overs be done through organized elections rather than an anarchistic free for all, and the rate at which you were gathering endorsements would have raised suspicion and concern in many places.
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Why does that make us dishonest? I don't get it.
I think he is calling us dishonest because he was not notified of his error all the while being removed from citizenship. Just a guess, though.
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I was not gathering endorsements. I was not soliciting member UN nations to endorse me. I was simply exercising my right as a member of the UN to endorse other member nations. I can not be held responsible by their decision to endorse me in kind.
I do understand how my actions would cause an overly sensitive region and delegate to react as it did. Again, I apologize for the confusion and difficulties I have caused. I was not my intention.
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We decided that you shouldn't have lost your citizenship, and you in fact hold it.
On the other hand, it is widely accepted in NationStates that the act of endorsing large numbers of nations is considered solicitation of endorsements. By endorsing them you are effectively asking them to endorse you.
The Government had every reason to be worried by you-- but worry is different than actually taking action and removing your citizenship. The worry is acceptable, the taking of your citizenship was found unacceptable.
Secondly, I do recommend that if you believe that the current administration was overly paranoid, wait a couple weeks to see the new administration :D By May 1 we will have a new Delegate elected.
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Even though the Delegate was not responsible for the revoking of citizenship...
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Well, Elu did say 'administration'. For all we know, the net Delegate could have a completely different cabinet.
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40 endorsements compared with the 200 endorsements the current delagate holds... yes I do consider the actions taken by Taijitu a bit paranoid. I was in no danger of taking over the delagacy, even if I wanted to. For the record - I did not want to.
You have single me out and alienated my nation. Especially considering the fact that other nations in the region have accrued many more endorsements than I have and are actually closer to the deed you accuse me of trying to perpetrate.
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the fact is, dren, that you did that so quickly. We did not single you out, we were worried about a takeover. It is possible that you were a raider that came in to take the delegacy, and the way you accumulated endorsements so quickly seemed to justify that worry.
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Typical of a paranoid mindset. Although I understand the need for such a mindset.
However, you had but to ask before taking action against me.
On the other hand I am up to 76 endorsements in a week and half's time, perhaps you should ban my nation before I have a chance to leave your region. If that makes you feel safer, I would understand.
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We have no desire to ban anyone.
And, as Minister of Regional Security, I will say that just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :P
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I do sympathize with you Dren, I know having a high endorsement count is fun, cool and makes you look powerful and I try to get it in every region I am in, which frequently ends me in trouble like in The North and East Pacific's. But amassing such a high endorsement count so quickly is worrying so I would advise you to take it slower and don't go too high.
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If you ever go to Gatesville, Durnia mate, get rid of that sig... ;) :D
Dren, this should not lead you to doubt our honesty or pledge to up-hold the laws created to protect each and all citizens of Taijitu. I can also understand your frustration over this happening, and most of us can also sympathize with you because we've experienced such in the past. The MoIA has made a mistake, that's also common when people are involved. The SCoT has reversed that decision and avoided any damage to your NS nation. This is no excuse, it's an explanation. That kind of treatment is all I would have wished for in certain similar situations. Now, if you decide to leave and have to do so by making us feel guilty, that's your right, but I personally would like to see you stay and take an active part in our community, and, why not, help us improve it.
Friendly greetings,
Gunner.
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
I got my endorsement from Dren and not even considered giving it back. I hope Taijitu is not the place of 'Today I do sg. for you tomorrow you do sg. for me' because this is just called corruption. I give my endorsements without even hoping for exchange and I ask anybody please do not do it to me. Dren: please remove your endorsement if you gave it just hoping for exchange.
FeherTigris
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Despite what you may or may not have been led to believe about us, I am simply exercising my right to endorse any and all other UN nations that I desire to endorse. My actions were no more nefarious than that. I never expected or asked for your endorsement and by your own logic “I give my endorsements without even hoping for exchange” I had every right to do that.
FeherTigris, I endorsed your nation simply because it is a fellow UN nation and I was acknowledging and supporting your decision to be a part of that great body.
If you find my explanation unsatisfactory, I will withdraw my endorsement of your nation if you ask me to do so via telegram, my nation has undergone enough public humiliation regarding this matter.
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Of course it is satisfactory. Thank you for the endorsement.
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It is entirely my pleasure.
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