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Offline bigbaldben

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Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« on: August 17, 2015, 01:10:25 AM »
VOTE DAMMIT.

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Re: Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2015, 01:21:18 AM »
Average out the real value of the minimum wage between 1960 and 2000, then set it for inflation. Badda bing badda boom. Any job where someone is working full time should allow someone to build out of their situation. Any sort of "but it will kill jobs" rhetoric is usually bullshit, people will buy more, save more, and work harder. Also they make so little anyways.

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Re: Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2015, 01:31:02 AM »
I heavily favor a Basic Income.

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Re: Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2015, 01:50:57 AM »
Average out the real value of the minimum wage between 1960 and 2000, then set it for inflation. Badda bing badda boom. Any job where someone is working full time should allow someone to build out of their situation. Any sort of "but it will kill jobs" rhetoric is usually bullshit, people will buy more, save more, and work harder. Also they make so little anyways.

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it's hard to point a value and it's hard to compete minimum wages between countries bc it will lead to the enlargement of the gap and unbalance of where to produce, where to consume, etc. Maybe the whole world needs a minimum wage that is somewhat similar to each other.

Social problems will always arise when you don't balance it with the rest, and this means the plan has to be for more than your own country. Yes yes, EU is hard to be understood, but look what's happening with Africa...we're getting hordes of immigrants risking their lives to cross the Mediterranean and we're running out of ways to deal with it. The only way is that your plan includes North Africa...and North Africa includes Central Africa...and so on.

This is where Imperalism (yes, that "commie" term for capitalist colonialism/hierarchy of power) clashes with "Communism" (or Socialism, or any form of leftist society), you either do it out of solidarity where one shares with the other so there won't be too much struggle that may affect you in the long run, or it is charity so it can be controlled hierarchically from rich countries to poor ones, which this last way has been the one in place. What does this have to do with minimum wage? The unbalance starts there, it controls the gap between rich and poor, it sets how much the poor struggle through life, it sets your basic view of the system, what you think is normal or not.

I heavily favor a Basic Income.
Basic unconditional income is cool but we're not ready, it won't change the world if it's just for one place and won't mind other countries. There's too many ifs as well, if europeans can deny human rights to immigrants bc we can't respond to that, then Basic unconditional income will be exclusive and never allow a "new person" to be unchained by the fact that is was born elsewhere and it has other struggles that we didn't. Poverty is here, the Millennium resolution was right.

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Re: Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2015, 03:01:37 AM »
Average out the real value of the minimum wage between 1960 and 2000, then set it for inflation. Badda bing badda boom. Any job where someone is working full time should allow someone to build out of their situation. Any sort of "but it will kill jobs" rhetoric is usually bullshit, people will buy more, save more, and work harder. Also they make so little anyways.

Sounds good to me, communist nerd.
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Re: Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2015, 02:47:28 PM »
I heavily favor a Basic Income.
^ Enthusiastically seconded!


Average out the real value of the minimum wage between 1960 and 2000, then set it for inflation. Badda bing badda boom. Any job where someone is working full time should allow someone to build out of their situation. Any sort of "but it will kill jobs" rhetoric is usually bullshit, people will buy more, save more, and work harder. Also they make so little anyways.
^ My 2nd choice option, provided there is some sort of caveat indicating that the minimum compensation rate must be at least a living wage (should the calculated average not turn out to be so).

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Re: Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2015, 06:47:54 PM »
I missed this poll!  :'(
( why not let the poll run for some more days? I'm back at work now and can usually only log in Sunday&monday)

I am for a minimum wage! The good thing is that it can be enforced without involving the tax system. I totally agree with Oz that the "but it will kill jobs" rhetoric is BS.

Basic Income is a beautiful thought, but it will involve the taxation system and without full democracy becomes only a utopia.

All these measures only becomes possible in nations with a fair gross national product and a fairly democratical system. With the current overpopulation on this planet, most, if not all, of the poor nations have no way of contemplating such measures. For example: In Calcutta alone, over six million people live on the sidewalks, having no place to sleap, exept in the street. They are lucky indeed, if they can eat every day...
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Re: Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2015, 09:13:48 PM »
I missed this poll!  :'(
( why not let the poll run for some more days? I'm back at work now and can usually only log in Sunday&monday)

Sure!  I picked 7 because, um, 7?  I'll start making them 10... :)

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Re: Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2015, 12:54:23 AM »
do you really need them to close?

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Re: Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2015, 11:01:50 AM »
do you really need them to close?

Hrm, I don't really.  But my point in closing is that the daily poll would be representative of a point in time: what did Taijitu think about this topic a year ago. A historical snapshot that future generations of Taijitu could compare themselves with, and see how the region has changed over time.  If I leave a poll open, the results are distorted over time; for instance when Newbie Newbenstein signs up and comes in and votes on all the polls, then sees a shiny object and never comes back.

That's my thinking anyway.

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Re: Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2015, 01:02:32 PM »
do you really need them to close?

Hrm, I don't really.  But my point in closing is that the daily poll would be representative of a point in time: what did Taijitu think about this topic a year ago. A historical snapshot that future generations of Taijitu could compare themselves with, and see how the region has changed over time.  If I leave a poll open, the results are distorted over time; for instance when Newbie Newbenstein signs up and comes in and votes on all the polls, then sees a shiny object and never comes back.

That's my thinking anyway.

ok I can get behind that

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Re: Daily Poll: Minimum Wage
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2015, 07:24:49 PM »
Sure!  I picked 7 because, um, 7?  I'll start making them 10... :)
Sorry! I probably did not see it then...  :(
(ten is good though, for numbheads like me  ;) )
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