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Government of Taijitu => The Ecclesia => Proposals and Discussion => Topic started by: Allama on August 05, 2015, 04:32:12 PM

Title: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Allama on August 05, 2015, 04:32:12 PM
EmperorQ/Terrallamus (http://www.nationstates.net/nation=terrallamus) from United Burandan Nations (http://www.nationstates.net/region=united_burandan_nations), has placed a formal request (http://forum.taijitu.org/embassies/united-burandan-nations-embassy-request) for an exchange of embassies between their region and Taijitu. He states:

Embassy Request by the Regional Government of the United Burandan Nations

The United Burandan Nations is a small but prosperous region of 18 nations. We are governed by a regional government of:

Regional Emperor: Q - The Peoples Republic of Terrallamus
Regional Vice Emperor: Margo - The Peoples Republic of Terracheesius

Minister of Immigration: Ben - The Democratic Kingdom of The Paple States
Minister of Finance: Ben - The Democratic Kingdom of The Paple States
Minister of Defence: Q - The Peoples Republic of Terrallamus


Our region is comprised of only democratic, fair nations and we participate in RP regularly. An embassy within Taijitu would be an honour. We would very much like you to consider our request.

Sincerely,
(https://ubncentralnewsagency.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ubn-calling-card-for-emperor-orley.png)

It looks like they've set up a basic Wordpress site (http://www.ubncentralnewsagency.wordpress.com) about their region's current leadership and have a regional newspaper (https://nationstatesplusplus.net/newspapers?id=3486) (the link to which is broken on their NS page so I fixed it here). All RPing appears to occur right on their RMB, most of which is approx. a month old or more.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Dyr Nasad on August 05, 2015, 04:56:11 PM
For most regions, I believe that the discussion on the other request (10+ WAs) stands.

I understand some RP communities have various issues with WA nations. If they are billing themselves as primarily RP-based, I will support what the RPers here think (is it high quality work? is there room for cross regional RP events?)
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: AwesomeSaucer on August 05, 2015, 05:15:05 PM
Oh, wow, they actually have a Skype chat!  :P

I'm mostly going to agree with Dyr.  Let them develop a bit and grow an identity, and I'm sure they'll be a good asset to Taijitu.  :)
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Gulliver on August 05, 2015, 05:22:50 PM
What Dyr beat us all too, they're quite small right now.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Allama on August 05, 2015, 09:27:42 PM
That all makes sense! What do you guys say about proposing legislation requiring a certain number of resident WA nations before we will consider an application? Should save us a number of these individual discussions leading to the same conclusion.

I'd go for 10, personally.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Delfos on August 06, 2015, 12:35:42 AM
I'd rather make it a case-by-case. In this case, i agree with you.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: AwesomeSaucer on August 09, 2015, 03:51:09 PM
That all makes sense! What do you guys say about proposing legislation requiring a certain number of resident WA nations before we will consider an application? Should save us a number of these individual discussions leading to the same conclusion.

I'd go for 10, personally.
10 makes sense.  I think this works.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Gulliver on August 10, 2015, 06:03:12 PM
Do we expect we'll get many requests from small regions like this in the future? If so we could legislative a standard for immediate dismissal by the delegate.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Allama on August 11, 2015, 09:19:48 PM
Do we expect we'll get many requests from small regions like this in the future? If so we could legislative a standard for immediate dismissal by the delegate.

I see requests from tiny regions like this come in on NS several times a week, at which point I send a message instructing them to post on the forum so The Ecclesia can deliberate. We're likely to get many more of these. Legislation on the matter would be quite helpful, save our Citizens a lot of time reviewing requests we'll almost certainly reject anyway.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Lindisfarne on August 12, 2015, 04:41:58 PM
Do we expect we'll get many requests from small regions like this in the future? If so we could legislative a standard for immediate dismissal by the delegate.

I see requests from tiny regions like this come in on NS several times a week, at which point I send a message instructing them to post on the forum so The Ecclesia can deliberate. We're likely to get many more of these. Legislation on the matter would be quite helpful, save our Citizens a lot of time reviewing requests we'll almost certainly reject anyway.
If there are that many requests, perhaps it is time for legislation. it would be tedious to debate them all.  :2c:
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: AwesomeSaucer on August 12, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
My concern is that we'll come across as the BIG BULLY until they reach a certain, possibly arbitrary threshold.  This could scare off some possible regions we may actually want contact with.

If we can figure out some compromise, If be happy to hear.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Gulliver on August 12, 2015, 05:40:54 PM
It sounds like that just asking them to post the request on the forums is already a pretty limiting threshold that's keeping us from being too inundated.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Allama on August 12, 2015, 07:36:51 PM
It sounds like that just asking them to post the request on the forums is already a pretty limiting threshold that's keeping us from being too inundated.

Very true. Of the numerous regions whose representatives I've messaged in this way, only 3 have posted on the forum (assuming I recall correctly).
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: AwesomeSaucer on August 12, 2015, 09:06:15 PM
It sounds like that just asking them to post the request on the forums is already a pretty limiting threshold that's keeping us from being too inundated.
Then why should we bother with ANOTHER restriction?
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: The Church of Satan on August 12, 2015, 10:46:59 PM
It sounds like that just asking them to post the request on the forums is already a pretty limiting threshold that's keeping us from being too inundated.

Should we change how we do things because of their laziness or incompetence? Personally, I think not.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Gulliver on August 13, 2015, 02:31:27 AM
I was suggesting that we didn't need to pass a law allowing for immediate dismissal of requests without Ecclesia consideration, not that we do something for regions who don't want to request on the forum.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Bustos on September 03, 2015, 01:23:34 PM
So getting back on topic of this embassy request...have any of our "spies" infiltrated their skype chat?  They do not appear to have a forum.

Personally, I think they'd be better off joining us.  Otherwise, how long will a region like this really last?  Is it worth the time and effort?

"We are the Tai. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."    :keke:
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Delfos on September 03, 2015, 01:59:09 PM
I was suggesting that we didn't need to pass a law allowing for immediate dismissal of requests without Ecclesia consideration, not that we do something for regions who don't want to request on the forum.

I was pretty sure there is no law that we have to vote on embassy requests and/or embassy proposals, because Ecclesia rules and votes anyway. I'm against liberating this to the Citizen-Delegate or Citizen-Diplomats, it's fine the way it is and there is already a clause that I'm against but it passed about "time sensitive" NSGP crap.

Regarding this request, I'd rather there is a vote, even if I'd likely vote no.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Allama on September 08, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
This has dragged on long enough. Let's vote.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Bustos on September 08, 2015, 09:30:18 PM
This has dragged on long enough. Let's vote.

I second the motion to vote.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: AwesomeSaucer on September 08, 2015, 10:21:47 PM
This has dragged on long enough. Let's vote.
No kidding.  I made a puppet there, actually.

They've grown tremendously, quadrupling in size (currently at 47 members).  They are still in in their infancy, deciding very major things still (all through good ol Referendums!); but the UBN is full of young NSers who have strong ideas that I think can change things both around here, and around NationStates entirely. 

I advise you all to vote for an embassy, as it's an investment, while very forward-looking, that's sure to be extremely valuable.  I can see them becoming a big NS region in the future.
Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Allama on September 09, 2015, 06:57:54 PM
They've grown tremendously, quadrupling in size (currently at 47 members).  They are still in in their infancy, deciding very major things still (all through good ol Referendums!); but the UBN is full of young NSers who have strong ideas that I think can change things both around here, and around NationStates entirely.

Now that's good news! If they haven't quit already and are actually growing significantly, this Embassy seems much more appealing than it did when they initially applied.

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Title: Re: United Burandan Nations Embassy Request
Post by: Red Mones on September 09, 2015, 11:03:24 PM
If the Citizen-Initiator hasn't opened a vote by tomorrow morning, I'll just go for it. :)
Elu is too busy being delegate of TNP. Remember what we do to incompetent leaders!
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