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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #60 on: September 29, 2015, 02:29:59 PM »
I am understanding that as "I have nothing to say."
                                 
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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #61 on: September 29, 2015, 07:27:51 PM »
I've always argued that foreign policy couldn't be driven by a single person of delegated by such, those are issues everyone should discuss. If you want to go back to all those discussions, we're having them again right now, and I'm not the one talking about those issues, and apparently we as a collective are realizing how much bullshit those "offices" were. I'm pretty happy we're having this discussions and maybe something can come up from them. Learning from past mistakes is pretty important for a collective.
This has got me thinking perhaps certain offices could instead be voluntary "cabinets" or whatever of citizen-volunteers under different sectors such as foreign policy, community activity, etc rather than a direct person. So rather than a Citizen-Liaison we would have a team of volunteer Citizen-Guides, rather than a Citizen-Initator we would have a team of Citizen-Clerks, VotP could be run by a collective easily enough as well. A fledgling idea, yet one I will continue to develop.
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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #62 on: September 29, 2015, 08:40:41 PM »
I've always argued that foreign policy couldn't be driven by a single person of delegated by such, those are issues everyone should discuss. If you want to go back to all those discussions, we're having them again right now, and I'm not the one talking about those issues, and apparently we as a collective are realizing how much bullshit those "offices" were. I'm pretty happy we're having this discussions and maybe something can come up from them. Learning from past mistakes is pretty important for a collective.
This has got me thinking perhaps certain offices could instead be voluntary "cabinets" or whatever of citizen-volunteers under different sectors such as foreign policy, community activity, etc rather than a direct person. So rather than a Citizen-Liaison we would have a team of volunteer Citizen-Guides, rather than a Citizen-Initator we would have a team of Citizen-Clerks, VotP could be run by a collective easily enough as well. A fledgling idea, yet one I will continue to develop.
I kind of like this idea.

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #63 on: September 29, 2015, 09:18:19 PM »
I've always argued that foreign policy couldn't be driven by a single person of delegated by such, those are issues everyone should discuss. If you want to go back to all those discussions, we're having them again right now, and I'm not the one talking about those issues, and apparently we as a collective are realizing how much bullshit those "offices" were. I'm pretty happy we're having this discussions and maybe something can come up from them. Learning from past mistakes is pretty important for a collective.
This has got me thinking perhaps certain offices could instead be voluntary "cabinets" or whatever of citizen-volunteers under different sectors such as foreign policy, community activity, etc rather than a direct person. So rather than a Citizen-Liaison we would have a team of volunteer Citizen-Guides, rather than a Citizen-Initator we would have a team of Citizen-Clerks, VotP could be run by a collective easily enough as well. A fledgling idea, yet one I will continue to develop.
I kind of like this idea.

Agreed.

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #64 on: September 29, 2015, 09:20:01 PM »
I've always argued that foreign policy couldn't be driven by a single person of delegated by such, those are issues everyone should discuss. If you want to go back to all those discussions, we're having them again right now, and I'm not the one talking about those issues, and apparently we as a collective are realizing how much bullshit those "offices" were. I'm pretty happy we're having this discussions and maybe something can come up from them. Learning from past mistakes is pretty important for a collective.
This has got me thinking perhaps certain offices could instead be voluntary "cabinets" or whatever of citizen-volunteers under different sectors such as foreign policy, community activity, etc rather than a direct person. So rather than a Citizen-Liaison we would have a team of volunteer Citizen-Guides, rather than a Citizen-Initator we would have a team of Citizen-Clerks, VotP could be run by a collective easily enough as well. A fledgling idea, yet one I will continue to develop.
This is a very smart idea.  I would love to see this idea more fleshed out!  :)
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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #65 on: September 29, 2015, 10:19:57 PM »
I've always argued that foreign policy couldn't be driven by a single person of delegated by such, those are issues everyone should discuss. If you want to go back to all those discussions, we're having them again right now, and I'm not the one talking about those issues, and apparently we as a collective are realizing how much bullshit those "offices" were. I'm pretty happy we're having this discussions and maybe something can come up from them. Learning from past mistakes is pretty important for a collective.
This has got me thinking perhaps certain offices could instead be voluntary "cabinets" or whatever of citizen-volunteers under different sectors such as foreign policy, community activity, etc rather than a direct person. So rather than a Citizen-Liaison we would have a team of volunteer Citizen-Guides, rather than a Citizen-Initator we would have a team of Citizen-Clerks, VotP could be run by a collective easily enough as well. A fledgling idea, yet one I will continue to develop.
This is a very smart idea.  I would love to see this idea more fleshed out!  :)

Screw that.  I'd love to see someone take this idea and run with it, adjusting it as they go.  Carpe Diem!!!

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #66 on: September 30, 2015, 12:08:52 AM »
I've always argued that foreign policy couldn't be driven by a single person of delegated by such, those are issues everyone should discuss. If you want to go back to all those discussions, we're having them again right now, and I'm not the one talking about those issues, and apparently we as a collective are realizing how much bullshit those "offices" were. I'm pretty happy we're having this discussions and maybe something can come up from them. Learning from past mistakes is pretty important for a collective.
This has got me thinking perhaps certain offices could instead be voluntary "cabinets" or whatever of citizen-volunteers under different sectors such as foreign policy, community activity, etc rather than a direct person. So rather than a Citizen-Liaison we would have a team of volunteer Citizen-Guides, rather than a Citizen-Initator we would have a team of Citizen-Clerks, VotP could be run by a collective easily enough as well. A fledgling idea, yet one I will continue to develop.
This is a very smart idea.  I would love to see this idea more fleshed out!  :)

Screw that.  I'd love to see someone take this idea and run with it, adjusting it as they go.  Carpe Diem!!!
As would I given my scant time for the moment.

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #67 on: September 30, 2015, 02:48:47 AM »
Dropping the titles also works. We've already sort-of implemented such type of voluntary work with the "embassies". Trusting our members, even the new ones, to do the right thing is important to show the collective can grow beyond the tight knit roots. Any "transgression" by any type of volunteers can be discussed and dealt with by the Ecclesia as a whole, there's no need to have a chief-this chief-that.

Regarding citizenry, if I'm not mistaken many people that intervene here can change the group (add the citizenship banner) for new members, imo it's easier to accept everyone without background/security check, and that doesn't need to be done before being accepted as citizen, it could as well be done after anyone is accepted as citizen, if there's a problem with anyone registering I'm pretty sure the security people can do whatever they're supposed to do regardless he has been accepted as citizen or not. Just out of curiosity, how many people that have applied have been denied citizenship? Is there even a reason why we have to "screen" them before we accept their applications? This would alleviate any work the current Citizen-Initiator could do that Ecclesia can't do by itself. We'd just have to list whatever constitutes an offense that impedes anyone to be a citizen, like multiple accounts, is there cases of this?

The only sad job would be Delegate, the game doesn't really give us much options regarding this person, but an Allama-like standard seems to be pretty awesome, a spokesperson, representative, and that deals with pesky WA votes.

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #68 on: September 30, 2015, 05:36:49 AM »
like multiple accounts, is there cases of this?
Yes.

Most of the C-I's job has generally fallen into two categories - "speaker-type" activities (managing votes, etc.) and handling citizenship lists (sending out warnings, etc). The security part has never been a part of the C-I's job (except when the C-I independently held that security responsibility).

Security check, then masking. I would never support changing that order.

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #69 on: September 30, 2015, 08:30:20 PM »
like multiple accounts, is there cases of this?
Yes.

Most of the C-I's job has generally fallen into two categories - "speaker-type" activities (managing votes, etc.) and handling citizenship lists (sending out warnings, etc). The security part has never been a part of the C-I's job (except when the C-I independently held that security responsibility).

Security check, then masking. I would never support changing that order.

I can absolutely back you up there.  When administrating a site, multiple accounts is probably the biggest problem. 

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #70 on: September 30, 2015, 10:36:46 PM »
Trying to find a way to free clerical work from citizenry can't be that hard. Can't those who can mask people also see the multiple accounts issue? Can there be a standard method to let people be checked and masked (together), while the different kind of security checks that aren't completely necessary when people are applying be done in a later time, therefore alleviating the citizenry process?

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2015, 04:55:04 AM »
What unnecessary checks do you think are being done?
                                 
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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2015, 12:11:19 PM »
What unnecessary checks do you think are being done?


If all admins can do all the checks, all admins can mask/rooster fill. You are admin, there's no need for a Citizen-Initiator specially if they are not admin. « That's what I'm saying.

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2015, 02:37:17 AM »
I've always argued that foreign policy couldn't be driven by a single person of delegated by such, those are issues everyone should discuss. If you want to go back to all those discussions, we're having them again right now, and I'm not the one talking about those issues, and apparently we as a collective are realizing how much bullshit those "offices" were. I'm pretty happy we're having this discussions and maybe something can come up from them. Learning from past mistakes is pretty important for a collective.
This has got me thinking perhaps certain offices could instead be voluntary "cabinets" or whatever of citizen-volunteers under different sectors such as foreign policy, community activity, etc rather than a direct person. So rather than a Citizen-Liaison we would have a team of volunteer Citizen-Guides, rather than a Citizen-Initator we would have a team of Citizen-Clerks, VotP could be run by a collective easily enough as well. A fledgling idea, yet one I will continue to develop.
I'm not sure how I feel about this with the advent of regional officers onsite. I still want higher numbers of people involved with these tasks and to have them open to any Ecclesia member, yet we need an office and an officer for each if they are to have an effect on our ingame region.

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