Motion to move TNP's embassy to the bottom of the list

[Red Mones]

This is nonsense.

I'm getting a little tired of this nonsense, at that.

In foreign policy terms, I'm pretty sure The North Pacific has been a consistent ally of Taijitu's. We were nearly in lockstep on the Lazarus problem, without anyone needing to do any wheeling dealing. We were naturally on pretty much the same page.

Complaints about our alliance with The North Pacific consistently bring standards of similarity in organization and purpose that only one region can meet: Taijitu itself.

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I don't know that St Oz has looked at any maps besides Taijitu's and TNP's recently. If he has, a sample size of 2 is not going to tell you much about how good their map is compared to oh any other region we have relations with, or any region at all.

Current TNP RP is no worse than this community's RP was in 2006-2008, I think. And TNP is actually relatively new to this whole active RP community thing.

Regarding cliquishness... If there's an "in crowd" in TNP I'd be in it, and yet Tomb crushed me handily in the previous Delegate election because I hadn't been as active. The Culture Ministry stuff is more complicated than people have made it out to be, and Funkadelia was not removed from office, he was removed from a particular case on the basis of a conceivable conflict of interest and resigned.

To call Tomb an Emperor right after the NPA and TaiMil worked closely together in removing the Emperor(s) of the "New Lazarene Order" is kind of ridiculous. Like Taijitu, TNP has a firm belief in democratic regional governance. TNP does it differently from us, but the core value is a common one, and this matters.

Hey, well you're now delegate of TNP, so your view is biased. TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!

[The Church of Satan]

To be honest there's no valid or rational reason to move TNP's forum embassy to the bottom of the list and I fail to see what doing so would achieve. Just alphabetize the list, moving no forum embassy out of order. That is my opinion on the matter.

[Delfos]

We'd achieve an irrational moral victory over the order which people view text from top of bottom, bottom being the last thing they see, which is parallel to Oz's desire that TNP should be the last thing on our minds.

[Cormac]

This proposal failed by a huge margin, I have no idea why it's still being discussed. 

[Dyr Nasad]

This proposal failed by a huge margin, I have no idea why it's still being discussed. 

Irrational dislike for TNP cannot be stopped by pesky things like "votes"

[Delfos]

Anybody may present in the discussion reformulation that may have a higher consensus, for instance CoS's proposal for alphabetization of the list is very valid, or we could just get another vote to move TNP's embassy into a new Embassy called "Pacific" that has all the pacifics, that'd be cool too, also alphabetization so it wouldn't  be at the top of the list (I hope).

[Bustos]

This proposal failed by a huge margin, I have no idea why it's still being discussed. 

Irrational dislike for TNP cannot be stopped by pesky things like "votes"

What's to stop the continued discussion from proposing a new vote or perhaps a better, more mutually accepted solution?   The power of Ecclesia!   

[The Church of Satan]

Anybody may present in the discussion reformulation that may have a higher consensus, for instance CoS's proposal for alphabetization of the list is very valid, or we could just get another vote to move TNP's embassy into a new Embassy called "Pacific" that has all the pacifics, that'd be cool too, also alphabetization so it wouldn't  be at the top of the list (I hope).

And I was hoping my suggestion would involve an administrative decision as opposed to waiting for it to needlessly go through the bureaucratic process of legislating such an action. I hope bureaucracy is not that deeply rooted into the forum community.

[Dyr Nasad]

Anybody may present in the discussion reformulation that may have a higher consensus, for instance CoS's proposal for alphabetization of the list is very valid, or we could just get another vote to move TNP's embassy into a new Embassy called "Pacific" that has all the pacifics, that'd be cool too, also alphabetization so it wouldn't  be at the top of the list (I hope).

And I was hoping my suggestion would involve an administrative decision as opposed to waiting for it to needlessly go through the bureaucratic process of legislating such an action. I hope bureaucracy is not that deeply rooted into the forum community.

Not really bureaucracy, but the dislike for authority certainly is if I alphabetized the embassies I'm sure someone would object and there would be another proposal switching it back, or some similar nonsense

[The Church of Satan]

Bah, fine. if we are so helpless, I will put together a proposal for it, but I'm gonna use one of my celebration cigars early because this kinda dependence makes me sick.

[Eluvatar]

I like where it is

But alphabetizing is fine too.

[Cormac]

Just going on record agreeing with CoS that we don't need a vote for admins to alphabetize embassy forums. Administration of the forum is an OOC matter that has nothing to do with the Ecclesia.

[Khem]

Perhaps a Bill that would clearly state that forum layout is not an issue for the Ecclesia or officers to decide?