Consultative Poll: Military Structure

[Gulliver]

There's been discussion about how we structure our military, and I think it's relevant to the current constitutional discussion. As such I'd like to get a more concrete sense of what routes people would like to pursue. This is an approval vote, so vote for as many of the options which you approve of, and feel free to debate them in this thread.

[Delfos]

I'd just remove "government supervision".

[Red Mones]

No offense, but I really don't give two shits about the militia.

[AwesomeSaucer]

No offense, but I really don't give two shits about the militia.

^^^

[Delfos]

No offense, but I really don't give two shits about the militia.

^^^

#putyourvotewhereyourmouthis

[Myroria]

I think that the Militia has been incredibly successful and well-known across the game as a unitary sovereigntist militia, but I would not be opposed to other ideas - though I would find a pure raider army incredibly distasteful.

[Wast]

Having supervised private militias seems to be the best compromise, and nicely disentangles most of NS gameplay from the government while still allowing it [the militia] to function. But 'supervision' entails imposing certain guidelines by which the militias must abide, which amounts to imposing at least a basic ideology (on raiding or not raiding, etc.). So the private militia setup may not be that different from a single sovereigntist militia in the end, except for its legal distinction as 'private'.

[Delfos]

Having supervised private militias seems to be the best compromise, and nicely disentangles most of NS gameplay from the government while still allowing it [the militia] to function. But 'supervision' entails imposing certain guidelines by which the militias must abide, which amounts to imposing at least a basic ideology (on raiding or not raiding, etc.). So the private militia setup may not be that different from a single sovereigntist militia in the end, except for its legal distinction as 'private'.

exactly why it shouldn't have "government supervision".

[Wast]

The private militias would reside in Taijitu, right (i.e. they would have a section on the forum)? The region would be implicitly endorsing whatever actions they take by allowing the militias to operate from the region. So there has to be some oversight.

Does it make sense to require the militias to report to the government [whatever branch manages the militia]? This way they can be disowned if necessary, but are not directly supervised. The government can then vote to disown/whatever the militia if it does terrible things, and otherwise the militia can operate freely and be ignored by everyone that doesn't care.

[Delfos]

why would we endorse? Why can't you be part of inter-regional militias that have nothing to do with Taijitu? If Taijitu clearly states "WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THESE MILITIAS DO" as in we don't endorse anything then those people playing NSGP are free to do whatever they want. icl joining TNP army or TBR raiders. We wouldn't be "harboring" anybody or "criminal" either bc people would have the right to do w/e they want.

#freethemilitia

[Dyr Nasad]

why would we endorse? Why can't you be part of inter-regional militias that have nothing to do with Taijitu? If Taijitu clearly states "WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THESE MILITIAS DO" as in we don't endorse anything then those people playing NSGP are free to do whatever they want. icl joining TNP army or TBR raiders. We wouldn't be "harboring" anybody or "criminal" either bc people would have the right to do w/e they want.

#freethemilitia

Citizens are not currently banned from being members of other militaries. Taimil has, at various points, had cross-membership with NPA, RRA, LLA, FRA, etc. Additionally, some citizens are already members of other militaries without ever being involved in Taimil.

[Delfos]

why would we endorse? Why can't you be part of inter-regional militias that have nothing to do with Taijitu? If Taijitu clearly states "WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THESE MILITIAS DO" as in we don't endorse anything then those people playing NSGP are free to do whatever they want. icl joining TNP army or TBR raiders. We wouldn't be "harboring" anybody or "criminal" either bc people would have the right to do w/e they want.

#freethemilitia

Citizens are not currently banned from being members of other militaries. Taimil has, at various points, had cross-membership with NPA, RRA, LLA, FRA, etc. Additionally, some citizens are already members of other militaries without ever being involved in Taimil.

Then all we need is to go one step further and not endorse any. There. Otherwise wtf do you guys actually want to change?

[Dyr Nasad]

why would we endorse? Why can't you be part of inter-regional militias that have nothing to do with Taijitu? If Taijitu clearly states "WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THESE MILITIAS DO" as in we don't endorse anything then those people playing NSGP are free to do whatever they want. icl joining TNP army or TBR raiders. We wouldn't be "harboring" anybody or "criminal" either bc people would have the right to do w/e they want.

#freethemilitia

Citizens are not currently banned from being members of other militaries. Taimil has, at various points, had cross-membership with NPA, RRA, LLA, FRA, etc. Additionally, some citizens are already members of other militaries without ever being involved in Taimil.

Then all we need is to go one step further and not endorse any. There. Otherwise wtf do you guys actually want to change?

I wasn't suggesting a change just noting current policy, because you had suggested it as a change (while it was currently in place)

[Eluvatar]

I would imagine that we wouldn't want even private militias associated with Taijitu attacking regions we're friends with as a region, as one possible example of alignment-neutral supervision.

[Delfos]

I would imagine that we wouldn't want even private militias associated with Taijitu attacking regions we're friends with as a region, as one possible example of alignment-neutral supervision.

yes, that's why we can't have nice things, I mean, that's why we shouldn't have foreign affairs, no more friends.