Taijitu
Government of Taijitu => The Ecclesia => Proposals and Discussion => Topic started by: Prydania on November 11, 2015, 03:32:12 AM
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I have opted to start a new thread for this to escape the toxic attitude in the "What is Taijitu?" thread. I stand by what I've said there. If I know you from here? I like you, legitimately. And if you're a newbie I haven't met? I simply haven't had the pleasure of getting to know you just yet.
I say all of this to hopefully emphasize that I'm not here to point fingers, call people names, or condescend. I'm here to raise some concerns I have with the state of Taijitu and hopefully foster some productive dialogue.
My primary concern is that there's no incentive for newcomers. The Revolutionary government has abandoned the idea of a cabinet. As such there's no sense of progression. Nothing you can work your way up through. We have the Citizen Delegate, whose effectively neutered by the legislator. Whose only real freedom is to affect foreign policy through appointments. Which the legislator can recall. What, exactly, will compel a newcomer to try and run for Delegate then? And if the only position left of any real note isn't attractive to newcomers then what chance is there that the region as a whole will be attractive?
Not to mention that this Revolutionary Date system, while fun, is a cumbersome system that's sure to alienate at least some newcomers who just can't make heads or tails of it.
The Revolution has done a lot of good, but I feel as if the zeal behind it has led to policies which only serve to hinder enthusiasm fresh eyes might have for joining our community.
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I disagree with the proposal set out here.
The Revolution was started to establish equality of all Citizens. This is why our offices use the prefix "Citizen," because no one is above anyone else, people just have different occupations.
I do not think it is either compatible with the spirit of the revolution nor the right thing to do to re-establish a hierarchy for the sake of having a hierarchy to ascend. Every elected office has a different job, and people run for those offices because they want to do that line of work or are inspired to try to go above and beyond in service to Taijitu.
Additionally, I disagree that the Revolutionary Calendar should be scrapped. That has never been a complaint by new people as something that has made it confusing. It is hardly ever used, except for the Voice of the People or for foreign publications. It's really just a cute thing that echoes the French Revolution, when they created a new calendar to abandon the religious inspiration of the Gregorian calendar. It's just a little thing that I think is very unique and easy to explain. And it's hardly used in practicality so it's not necessary for participation in the region.
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I believe internal recruitment wherein we guide new members of the region towards the forum would be a better plan of action, personally. I would hate to concentrate more power in the hands of a single individual or a collection of Cabinet members - while that works well and is efficient for larger regions, I think the rapid growth Taijitu saw before the recent unpleasantness speaks to the success of the model we have now.
With some focus on internal development, we could turn things around while working within our current system. The Citizen-Delegate is still a prestigious position and serves as Taijitu's head-of-state; I think if we foster a culture where newcomers know that Taijitu works amongst itself as a direct democracy they will be more than okay with a "first-among-equals" post like the Citizen-Delegate. Of course, the newer members of our region could probably speak of that better than I.
I also think that the Revolutionary Calendar is one of the most enduring parts of our theme. When working abroad, the fact that we had our own calendar was well-known and immediately gave people a vision of what our theme was. I have no problem with using it alongside a normal calendar but I like it quite a lot.
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I disagree with the proposal set out here.
I never put forth a proposal. I merely presented my thoughts on the region as it stands in the hope of spurring on productive discussion.
I'm not pretending I have all the answers. Nor am I presenting some polished plan of action. Just voicing my concerns.
The Revolution was started to establish equality of all Citizens. This is why our offices use the prefix "Citizen," because no one is above anyone else, people just have different occupations.
I do not think it is either compatible with the spirit of the revolution nor the right thing to do to re-establish a hierarchy for the sake of having a hierarchy to ascend. Every elected office has a different job, and people run for those offices because they want to do that line of work or are inspired to try to go above and beyond in service to Taijitu.
My point is that, in the past, newbies would join. And to get appointed to a cabinet was a big deal. And it was a bigger deal to work your up through the various cabinet positions. It was, in essence, a game play mechanic. One that pushed players (members) to strive for the next level. I'm not sure it's the best thing that this has been lost.
Additionally, I disagree that the Revolutionary Calendar should be scrapped. That has never been a complaint by new people as something that has made it confusing. It is hardly ever used, except for the Voice of the People or for foreign publications. It's really just a cute thing that echoes the French Revolution, when they created a new calendar to abandon the religious inspiration of the Gregorian calendar. It's just a little thing that I think is very unique and easy to explain. And it's hardly used in practicality so it's not necessary for participation in the region.
Funk, I know. I get it. And the French abandoned it because the Earth's rotation and axis do not conform to the Metric system.
My point here is that newbies might stop by, see that calender, and immediately decide that it's not worth trying to figure out.
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With regard to the calendar, the only thing that might be off-putting for new members is the tradition of labeling elections with the Revolutionary date. So we can just add the actual date to that, and then there will be no place where the calendar is used exclusively.
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I never put forth a proposal. I merely presented my thoughts on the region as it stands in the hope of spurring on productive discussion.
I'm not pretending I have all the answers. Nor am I presenting some polished plan of action. Just voicing my concerns.
By proposal, I mean the proposals you made to re-establish a regional hierarchy and scrap the calendar. :)
My point is that, in the past, newbies would join. And to get appointed to a cabinet was a big deal. And it was a bigger deal to work your up through the various cabinet positions. It was, in essence, a game play mechanic. One that pushed players (members) to strive for the next level. I'm not sure it's the best thing that this has been lost.
I still disagree. :)
We have developed a legislative culture here over the past year that encourages citizens to be involved more directly in regional issues by voicing their opinions and formulating legislation and solutions according to the situation. :)
Funk, I know. I get it. And the French abandoned it because the Earth's rotation and axis do not conform to the Metric system.
My point here is that newbies might stop by, see that calender, and immediately decide that it's not worth trying to figure out.
I'm not sure what the the axis of the Earth has to do with the regional calendar. :)
As Wast said, most places (except for elections which can be easily changed) do not exclusively use the calendar. :)
It's just a fun little thing we have to keep up the spirit of nonconformity. :) :h:
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I believe internal recruitment wherein we guide new members of the region towards the forum would be a better plan of action, personally.
And that's what I'm talking about. A productive discussion :)
Really, I'm just trying to come at this from the perspective of a new player who just logged into NS and who stumbled across the region. What would make them want to stick around and take part in the community?
I would hate to concentrate more power in the hands of a single individual or a collection of Cabinet members - while that works well and is efficient for larger regions, I think the rapid growth Taijitu saw before the recent unpleasantness speaks to the success of the model we have now.
I'm thinking in terms of a game mechanic. Though I do concede that Taijitu is small enough to not need a fully fleshed out cabinet system.
I'm just trying to think of what new members can aspire to when they join.
With some focus on internal development, we could turn things around while working within our current system.
As do I.
The Citizen-Delegate is still a prestigious position and serves as Taijitu's head-of-state; I think if we foster a culture where newcomers know that Taijitu works amongst itself as a direct democracy they will be more than okay with a "first-among-equals" post like the Citizen-Delegate. Of course, the newer members of our region could probably speak of that better than I.
There is certainly something to be said for the uniqueness of a theme.
I also think that the Revolutionary Calendar is one of the most enduring parts of our theme. When working abroad, the fact that we had our own calendar was well-known and immediately gave people a vision of what our theme was. I have no problem with using it alongside a normal calendar but I like it quite a lot.
See, that's a sensible reason for it. That it gives us an identity. I'm still weary about its effect on new members, but I can definitely see its value.
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I never put forth a proposal. I merely presented my thoughts on the region as it stands in the hope of spurring on productive discussion.
I'm not pretending I have all the answers. Nor am I presenting some polished plan of action. Just voicing my concerns.
By proposal, I mean the proposals you made to re-establish a regional hierarchy and scrap the calendar. :)
Which I never did. I've put forward no legislation to that effect nor have I called for it. I've simply voiced my concerns in the hopes that it will get people talking. Me thinks you're jumping the gun just a bit.
We have developed a legislative culture here over the past year that encourages citizens to be involved more directly in regional issues by voicing their opinions and formulating legislation and solutions according to the situation. :)
That's all I'm doing here.
:)
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Just a comment on "moving up the ranks" - we do have an ambassadorial corps that would (theoretically) prepare individuals to be C-D. We likewise have ranks in the militia that should prepare individuals to be C-S. Citizen Aides for C-I. Citizen Guides for C-L. also "general legislator" to prove activity and be a positive mark for a variety of positions. The same would be true for recruiters, once the manual system is running.
Obviously all of these could be better advertised (and should be). But to say that there are not immediate chances to get involved in [executive] government that could train you for future elected/appointed cabinet positions is not true.
(also - Hail Wast, Lawspeaker, Beacon of Reason in the Darkness)
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Hail Wast, Once and Future Emperor!
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I disagree with the proposal set out here.
The Revolution was started to establish equality of all Citizens. This is why our offices use the prefix "Citizen," because no one is above anyone else, people just have different occupations.
Was anyone ever really that oppressed? Was anyone really suffering under any yoke of tyranny?
I do not think it is either compatible with the spirit of the revolution nor the right thing to do to re-establish a hierarchy for the sake of having a hierarchy to ascend. Every elected office has a different job, and people run for those offices because they want to do that line of work or are inspired to try to go above and beyond in service to Taijitu.
Additionally, I disagree that the Revolutionary Calendar should be scrapped. That has never been a complaint by new people as something that has made it confusing. It is hardly ever used, except for the Voice of the People or for foreign publications. It's really just a cute thing that echoes the French Revolution, when they created a new calendar to abandon the religious inspiration of the Gregorian calendar. It's just a little thing that I think is very unique and easy to explain. And it's hardly used in practicality so it's not necessary for participation in the region.
I really don't think Prydania really was concerned about the spirit of the revolution.
As far as current elected offices go, none of them really have all that much actual responsibility. The mediator is an as needed type of thing. The Liason is more or less the old Minister of Community that we used to have. The initiator is one part MoIA and one part Speaker of the Senate. Which, I admit is a nice streamlining of duties that does make sense. The Sargent fills the function of MoD, but without enough people to establish a viable Militia will have very little to do. The Delegacy is mostly seemingly cermonial and responsible for suggesting treaties and embassies and the like.
Think about it like this... as you yourself have come out and passionately defended NSGP. If a new player could have a choice between one of the fairly anemic positions above. Or go to a region with a more conventional political structure, what do you think they would choose if they were interested in Regional Political play? And yes, valid arguments can be made in favour of the current system. I don't deny that. But a bit more resonsibility to keep those in office engaged may not be the worst idea ever.
As for the calendar. Meh. I'm not a fan of it myself but there are bigger fish to fry.
I believe internal recruitment wherein we guide new members of the region towards the forum would be a better plan of action, personally. I would hate to concentrate more power in the hands of a single individual or a collection of Cabinet members - while that works well and is efficient for larger regions, I think the rapid growth Taijitu saw before the recent unpleasantness speaks to the success of the model we have now.
With some focus on internal development, we could turn things around while working within our current system. The Citizen-Delegate is still a prestigious position and serves as Taijitu's head-of-state; I think if we foster a culture where newcomers know that Taijitu works amongst itself as a direct democracy they will be more than okay with a "first-among-equals" post like the Citizen-Delegate. Of course, the newer members of our region could probably speak of that better than I.
I also think that the Revolutionary Calendar is one of the most enduring parts of our theme. When working abroad, the fact that we had our own calendar was well-known and immediately gave people a vision of what our theme was. I have no problem with using it alongside a normal calendar but I like it quite a lot.
All pretty fair points, Myro. And really I think that most of what Prydania is talking about are points we should visit maybe at some point down the road, but not immediately.
I had thought about making a thread for this but since Prydania opened this one I'll air my thoughts here to prevent another thread from being made which would have some over lap in topic.
Honestly, my big problem with what I've seen and observed from afar over the last couple of months is just the over all divisive and hostile atmosphere I've noticed. Systems of government and the minutia of each won't matter for shit if people keep going at each other like this.
You remember how this region used to be years ago. Yes there were disagreements and we had the occasional asshat here and there but for the most part everyone was respectful, civil, and didn't demean the ideas or contributions of others. That's honestly what bothers me the most. Everything else at this point in my eyes is secondary.
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With regard to the calendar, the only thing that might be off-putting for new members is the tradition of labeling elections with the Revolutionary date. So we can just add the actual date to that, and then there will be no place where the calendar is used exclusively.
That would resolve the issue, I think.
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Just a comment on "moving up the ranks" - we do have an ambassadorial corps that would (theoretically) prepare individuals to be C-D. We likewise have ranks in the militia that should prepare individuals to be C-S. Citizen Aides for C-I. Citizen Guides for C-L. also "general legislator" to prove activity and be a positive mark for a variety of positions. The same would be true for recruiters, once the manual system is running.
Obviously all of these could be better advertised (and should be). But to say that there are not immediate chances to get involved in [executive] government that could train you for future elected/appointed cabinet positions is not true.
(also - Hail Wast, Lawspeaker, Beacon of Reason in the Darkness)
I'm wondering if the subgroups of the officer positions shouldn't be expanded to allow for more of the feeling that has been lost as referred in this thread. My brain is thinking guild-like but then I'm fresh off a dnd session.
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Just a comment on "moving up the ranks" - we do have an ambassadorial corps that would (theoretically) prepare individuals to be C-D. We likewise have ranks in the militia that should prepare individuals to be C-S. Citizen Aides for C-I. Citizen Guides for C-L. also "general legislator" to prove activity and be a positive mark for a variety of positions. The same would be true for recruiters, once the manual system is running.
Obviously all of these could be better advertised (and should be). But to say that there are not immediate chances to get involved in [executive] government that could train you for future elected/appointed cabinet positions is not true.
(also - Hail Wast, Lawspeaker, Beacon of Reason in the Darkness)
I'm wondering if the subgroups of the officer positions shouldn't be expanded to allow for more of the feeling that has been lost as referred in this thread. My brain is thinking guild-like but then I'm fresh off a dnd session.
That could certainly be an idea worth exploring.
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I think that there are a few ways we could be giving new people Gameplayish things to do and these include manual recruitment, cultural events, and of course a better advertised Militia.
Manual recruitment, Gulliver and I have a system for, we'd just need to walk through with folks and make sure it works for them. It would be convenient to also use it for citizenship tracking, reducing the bookkeeping involved in that task.
I would agree that having the C-I and C-D have volunteers helping them in a defined way might be sensible.
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Honestly, my big problem with what I've seen and observed from afar over the last couple of months is just the over all divisive and hostile atmosphere I've noticed. Systems of government and the minutia of each won't matter for shit if people keep going at each other like this.
You remember how this region used to be years ago. Yes there were disagreements and we had the occasional asshat here and there but for the most part everyone was respectful, civil, and didn't demean the ideas or contributions of others. That's honestly what bothers me the most. Everything else at this point in my eyes is secondary.
1) I don't know where you're coming from with the "divisive and hostile atmosphere." We have, I believe three instances that could really be called divisiveness (here (http://forum.taijitu.org/zocalo/an-open-apology-to-awesomesaucer/msg158562/#msg158562) and here (http://forum.taijitu.org/legislative-and-treaty-votes/motion-to-hold-an-election-for-citizen-liason/) and here (http://forum.taijitu.org/voice-of-the-people/votp-volume-2-issue-5-f***-the-people/)). And then this most recent epic disaster.
Most of the time this has been a pretty laid back place over the last nine months or so since I've been here.
2) I am very interested in helping the region in any way that I can. My most recent ideas/efforts can be found in the links below. I would very much like to know which everyone thinks are viable, and which ones I shouldn't waste my time on - or rather, more than I already have.
Writing Contest: http://forum.taijitu.org/college-of-the-creative-arts/boisaire-ar-2-(november-2015)/
Greater War: http://forum.taijitu.org/pre-modern/protectors-of-the-common-people-(1940-)/
Forum Makeover: http://forum.taijitu.org/general-discussion/forum-makeover/
Micro RPs: http://forum.taijitu.org/planning-room/idea-micro-rps/
Daily Polls: http://forum.taijitu.org/taijitu-polls/
3) I want to move forward as well, but there is one thing that is going to bother me if I don't ask. Prydania, Sovereign Dixie, OfTheUs, Funkadelia and to some extent Dyr Nasad and Eluvatar have rarely posted for quite some time:
What was the catalyst that got you all to come back, all at the same time, with all the same enthusiasm to work on helping the region?
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad for sure! And I love some of the new ideas and am ready to assist. But, wow, everyone jumping back in at the same time? I'm just wondering what brought it on.
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1) I don't know where you're coming from with the "divisive and hostile atmosphere." We have, I believe three instances that could really be called divisiveness (here (http://forum.taijitu.org/zocalo/an-open-apology-to-awesomesaucer/msg158562/#msg158562) and here (http://forum.taijitu.org/legislative-and-treaty-votes/motion-to-hold-an-election-for-citizen-liason/) and here (http://forum.taijitu.org/voice-of-the-people/votp-volume-2-issue-5-f***-the-people/)). And then this most recent epic disaster.
Most of the time this has been a pretty laid back place over the last nine months or so since I've been here.
*Nods* I get you. I wasn't trying to imply that its been a constant and perpetually ongoing thing. At least this most recent outbreak though seems like... well, there's more to it than what's on the surface. I could be wrong though. Either way, a little more civility never killed anyone. Except for that one time. When it did.
2) I am very interested in helping the region in any way that I can. My most recent ideas/efforts can be found in the links below. I would very much like to know which everyone thinks are viable, and which ones I shouldn't waste my time on - or rather, more than I already have.
Writing Contest: http://forum.taijitu.org/college-of-the-creative-arts/boisaire-ar-2-(november-2015)/
Greater War: http://forum.taijitu.org/pre-modern/protectors-of-the-common-people-(1940-)/
Forum Makeover: http://forum.taijitu.org/general-discussion/forum-makeover/
Micro RPs: http://forum.taijitu.org/planning-room/idea-micro-rps/
Daily Polls: http://forum.taijitu.org/taijitu-polls/
These are all ideas that I think are beneficial. The Greater War idea (or something similar) is something that I've kicked around in my head for a few years now.
And yes, a forum Makeover would be a good thing, to make it more intuitive and better organised so that newbies aren't "OHHH MAIIII GAWWWWD WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THIS SHIT"
Micro RP's... that's an interesting idea and something I'd never really thought about. I've done a couple of sessions over chat before and then me and whomever would make a "joint post" of the content. But this is something that could be quite interesting.
I could be wrong, but I think the daily polls are something we used to actually have. I think Wast used to do them? Not sure. But either way, I approve.
The writing contest is quite interesting as well. I admit I blinked a bit when I seen the prize section. *laughs*
They're all good ideas worthy of effort! Just don't push yourself too hard or burn yourself out.
3) I want to move forward as well, but there is one thing that is going to bother me if I don't ask. Prydania, Sovereign Dixie, OfTheUs, Funkadelia and to some extent Dyr Nasad and Eluvatar have rarely posted for quite some time:
What was the catalyst that got you all to come back, all at the same time, with all the same enthusiasm to work on helping the region?
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad for sure! And I love some of the new ideas and am ready to assist. But, wow, everyone jumping back in at the same time? I'm just wondering what brought it on.
Well, I can't speak for OT, Funk, Dyr, or Elu. Only myself and to a degree Prydania 'cause him and I are best buds. Oz and OT had asked me about 3 or 4 months ago if I could come back, but I had to decline due to time constraints. I tried to make sure my nation stayed alive though, and also kept the founder from going CTE a few times and would poke my head onto the forums now and then to see what was going on.
Prydania and I had been talking amongst ourselves over the last couple of weeks of ressurecting our old RP that we'd been working on. Similar in idea to your Greater War thread, it was meant to be something that anyone could jump into as the threat within the story arc would potentially be a global menace. We figured if nothing else, fuck it, we could have some fun with it even if no one else was available.
So then it came to pass that OT and Ozzy called me up on skype and Oz told me he had become Delegate. Since I'd planned on coming back soon any way I decided to offer my services and then asked Prydania if he would like to come back as well. And while yes I am enthusiastic about trying to help, my time is still rather limited. So my involvement will be more frequent (at least every two or three days) but possibly shorter in duration. As in, a couple of hours every two or three days. I'll just have to see where it goes.
At the very least I want to be a voice of Alternative Opinion in the Ecclesia, and get my RP groove on.
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2) I am very interested in helping the region in any way that I can. My most recent ideas/efforts can be found in the links below. I would very much like to know which everyone thinks are viable, and which ones I shouldn't waste my time on - or rather, more than I already have.
Writing Contest: http://forum.taijitu.org/college-of-the-creative-arts/boisaire-ar-2-(november-2015)/
Greater War: http://forum.taijitu.org/pre-modern/protectors-of-the-common-people-(1940-)/
Forum Makeover: http://forum.taijitu.org/general-discussion/forum-makeover/
Micro RPs: http://forum.taijitu.org/planning-room/idea-micro-rps/
Daily Polls: http://forum.taijitu.org/taijitu-polls/
I love all of these things and want to see them all continue. I apologize for my own lack of time for the Greater War.
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BBB as for me coming back I'm usually on IRC but given whats been going on I've started to pay more attention to the forum as well now, its not so much coming back as just paying more attention.
I think all your ideas are also very good, and if I was a half decent writer I'd actually try to win the writing contest >.>
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*Nods* I get you. I wasn't trying to imply that its been a constant and perpetually ongoing thing. At least this most recent outbreak though seems like... well, there's more to it than what's on the surface. I could be wrong though. Either way, a little more civility never killed anyone. Except for that one time. When it did.
Thanks for getting me. I am certainly not here for the drama, and I think this place does relatively well. Hopefully even better in the future.
And yes, a forum Makeover would be a good thing, to make it more intuitive and better organised so that newbies aren't "OHHH MAIIII GAWWWWD WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THIS SHIT"
That is exactly what I said! And it's also what I said when I came here. I don't mean it as a slight to anyone the way that it is. Stuff gets added in, thrown on and modified with the time available on a daily basis, and this is the result - always! I have a new outline I think would help and would like to implement it. But I don't even know who I need to badger to get that kind of access. I know I'm a mod in one or two forums, but can't rejigger the whole thing.
Micro RP's... that's an interesting idea and something I'd never really thought about. I've done a couple of sessions over chat before and then me and whomever would make a "joint post" of the content. But this is something that could be quite interesting.
We've got one started that you can join in anytime and another I think that Oz and Khem are putting together. I think it might have potential! Especially when someone came up with the realization that they don't have to be adversarial - joint research or humanitarian efforts would be a nice change of pace.
I could be wrong, but I think the daily polls are something we used to actually have. I think Wast used to do them? Not sure. But either way, I approve.
You are NOT wrong. I was trolling the archives to find stuff for the regional newsletter than I ran a few months and came across the daily polls. I asked Wast and everyone else if they wouldn't mind me reviving them, they said go, and so I did.
The writing contest is quite interesting as well. I admit I blinked a bit when I seen the prize section. *laughs*
Well, the prize section is based on # of entries, which is so far ZERO. We'll see, but I would love to be surprised by hitting some of the higher amounts! You should know I always put my money where my heart is, and right now, that's here. :)
They're all good ideas worthy of effort! Just don't push yourself too hard or burn yourself out.
No doubt about it, you're exactly right. I walk the line sometimes, but I love being creative and productive and helpful - all of which work well here I think.
Well, I can't speak for OT, Funk, Dyr, or Elu. Only myself and to a degree Prydania 'cause him and I are best buds. Oz and OT had asked me about 3 or 4 months ago if I could come back, but I had to decline due to time constraints. I tried to make sure my nation stayed alive though, and also kept the founder from going CTE a few times and would poke my head onto the forums now and then to see what was going on.
Prydania and I had been talking amongst ourselves over the last couple of weeks of ressurecting our old RP that we'd been working on. Similar in idea to your Greater War thread, it was meant to be something that anyone could jump into as the threat within the story arc would potentially be a global menace. We figured if nothing else, fuck it, we could have some fun with it even if no one else was available.
So then it came to pass that OT and Ozzy called me up on skype and Oz told me he had become Delegate. Since I'd planned on coming back soon any way I decided to offer my services and then asked Prydania if he would like to come back as well. And while yes I am enthusiastic about trying to help, my time is still rather limited. So my involvement will be more frequent (at least every two or three days) but possibly shorter in duration. As in, a couple of hours every two or three days. I'll just have to see where it goes.
At the very least I want to be a voice of Alternative Opinion in the Ecclesia, and get my RP groove on.
I doubt you knew it but this is exactly what I had hoped. I am looking forward to working with and getting to know all you guys/gals I don't know very well!
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BBB as for me coming back I'm usually on IRC but given whats been going on I've started to pay more attention to the forum as well now, its not so much coming back as just paying more attention.
I think all your ideas are also very good, and if I was a half decent writer I'd actually try to win the writing contest >.>
lol. Yeah, but don't forget even a regulation size entry helps EVERYONE by having a bigger pot of dough from which to be prized. Though if that last sentence was any indication, I might not be a very good judge, lol.
Now that you mention it, I have seen you sporadically. I'm just glad you guys came back because you wanted to, not because of some measure of guilt or concern that we "have to save the community." I don't believe it needs saved as much as it does reformed. And I'm glad you guys are here to help. :)
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2) I am very interested in helping the region in any way that I can. My most recent ideas/efforts can be found in the links below. I would very much like to know which everyone thinks are viable, and which ones I shouldn't waste my time on - or rather, more than I already have.
Writing Contest: http://forum.taijitu.org/college-of-the-creative-arts/boisaire-ar-2-(november-2015)/
Greater War: http://forum.taijitu.org/pre-modern/protectors-of-the-common-people-(1940-)/
Forum Makeover: http://forum.taijitu.org/general-discussion/forum-makeover/
Micro RPs: http://forum.taijitu.org/planning-room/idea-micro-rps/
Daily Polls: http://forum.taijitu.org/taijitu-polls/
I love all of these things and want to see them all continue. I apologize for my own lack of time for the Greater War.
Dude, no apologies necessary in RP. We do what we can because we like it, right? It's not a job. Oh God, please tell me it's not a job? :'(
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3) I want to move forward as well, but there is one thing that is going to bother me if I don't ask. Prydania, Sovereign Dixie, OfTheUs, Funkadelia and to some extent Dyr Nasad and Eluvatar have rarely posted for quite some time:
What was the catalyst that got you all to come back, all at the same time, with all the same enthusiasm to work on helping the region?
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad for sure! And I love some of the new ideas and am ready to assist. But, wow, everyone jumping back in at the same time? I'm just wondering what brought it on.
I have been back, continuously (other than the odd day or two) since I got back on NS in early 2014. The polls have been active, so I vote in polls. I do not spam when I have nothing to add. I also do not RP.
I suggest examining log-in patterns, PM response time, IRC presence, etc, before drawing the inaccurate conclusion that lack of posting = lack of activity/concern.
Otherwise, your ideas sound good. I have always enjoyed the polls, and people seem to like the RP ideas.
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I doubt you knew it but this is exactly what I had hoped. I am looking forward to working with and getting to know all you guys/gals I don't know very well!
The feeling is mutual :D
Just to expand on my own reasons for returning...Taijitu has been a part of my life on and off for eight years now. Going on nine. Regional politics, RP, and the friends I've met. All reasons I came back now, and will always come back :)
Between the Centre Party getting going and RP? I hope to stick around a while longer this time.
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Also for the forum makeover - I will take another look around the acp to see if you can get the tools you need for that makeover. Otherwise some of us may end up taking on some of the implementation work for that idea.
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2) I am very interested in helping the region in any way that I can. My most recent ideas/efforts can be found in the links below. I would very much like to know which everyone thinks are viable, and which ones I shouldn't waste my time on - or rather, more than I already have.
Writing Contest: http://forum.taijitu.org/college-of-the-creative-arts/boisaire-ar-2-(november-2015)/
Greater War: http://forum.taijitu.org/pre-modern/protectors-of-the-common-people-(1940-)/
Forum Makeover: http://forum.taijitu.org/general-discussion/forum-makeover/
Micro RPs: http://forum.taijitu.org/planning-room/idea-micro-rps/
Daily Polls: http://forum.taijitu.org/taijitu-polls/
I love all of these things and want to see them all continue. I apologize for my own lack of time for the Greater War.
Dude, no apologies necessary in RP. We do what we can because we like it, right? It's not a job. Oh God, please tell me it's not a job? :'(
LOL There have been a few times over my history with Taijitu that it felt like one :P Albeit a fun one.
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2) I am very interested in helping the region in any way that I can. My most recent ideas/efforts can be found in the links below. I would very much like to know which everyone thinks are viable, and which ones I shouldn't waste my time on - or rather, more than I already have.
Writing Contest: http://forum.taijitu.org/college-of-the-creative-arts/boisaire-ar-2-(november-2015)/
Greater War: http://forum.taijitu.org/pre-modern/protectors-of-the-common-people-(1940-)/
Forum Makeover: http://forum.taijitu.org/general-discussion/forum-makeover/
Micro RPs: http://forum.taijitu.org/planning-room/idea-micro-rps/
Daily Polls: http://forum.taijitu.org/taijitu-polls/
I love all of these things and want to see them all continue. I apologize for my own lack of time for the Greater War.
Dude, no apologies necessary in RP. We do what we can because we like it, right? It's not a job. Oh God, please tell me it's not a job? :'(
LOL There have been a few times over my history with Taijitu that it felt like one :P Albeit a fun one.
Likewise :D I wish I could get paid to contribute to our collective...
/me remembers the writing contest.
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3) I want to move forward as well, but there is one thing that is going to bother me if I don't ask. Prydania, Sovereign Dixie, OfTheUs, Funkadelia and to some extent Dyr Nasad and Eluvatar have rarely posted for quite some time:
What was the catalyst that got you all to come back, all at the same time, with all the same enthusiasm to work on helping the region?
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad for sure! And I love some of the new ideas and am ready to assist. But, wow, everyone jumping back in at the same time? I'm just wondering what brought it on.
I have been back, continuously (other than the odd day or two) since I got back on NS in early 2014. The polls have been active, so I vote in polls. I do not spam when I have nothing to add. I also do not RP.
I suggest examining log-in patterns, PM response time, IRC presence, etc, before drawing the inaccurate conclusion that lack of posting = lack of activity/concern.
Otherwise, your ideas sound good. I have always enjoyed the polls, and people seem to like the RP ideas.
Open mouth, insert foot. My bad. You are right - you've been active in the polls and in on some of the discussions about a way ahead. And in general, lack of posts do not mean lack of activity. I apologize, Dyr, and humbly request your forgiveness. :-[
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Also for the forum makeover - I will take another look around the acp to see if you can get the tools you need for that makeover. Otherwise some of us may end up taking on some of the implementation work for that idea.
Works for me! Let me know either way!
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3) I want to move forward as well, but there is one thing that is going to bother me if I don't ask. Prydania, Sovereign Dixie, OfTheUs, Funkadelia and to some extent Dyr Nasad and Eluvatar have rarely posted for quite some time:
What was the catalyst that got you all to come back, all at the same time, with all the same enthusiasm to work on helping the region?
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad for sure! And I love some of the new ideas and am ready to assist. But, wow, everyone jumping back in at the same time? I'm just wondering what brought it on.
I have been back, continuously (other than the odd day or two) since I got back on NS in early 2014. The polls have been active, so I vote in polls. I do not spam when I have nothing to add. I also do not RP.
I suggest examining log-in patterns, PM response time, IRC presence, etc, before drawing the inaccurate conclusion that lack of posting = lack of activity/concern.
Otherwise, your ideas sound good. I have always enjoyed the polls, and people seem to like the RP ideas.
Open mouth, insert foot. My bad. You are right - you've been active in the polls and in on some of the discussions about a way ahead. And in general, lack of posts do not mean lack of activity. I apologize, Dyr, and humbly request your forgiveness. :-[
It happens lol. Even in my case, while I was pretty much silent I did peek in every month or two to make sure that no one had burned the place down :P
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Open mouth, insert foot. My bad. You are right - you've been active in the polls and in on some of the discussions about a way ahead. And in general, lack of posts do not mean lack of activity. I apologize, Dyr, and humbly request your forgiveness. :-[
IRC is always more active than the forum. If all those conversations were transferred here, there would be much more activity. And even more kitten pictures! And thousands of posts of "omg hi".
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omg hi has probably been said close to 100,000 over the course of the IRC channels life(if anyone has logs going that far back I am genuinely curious to the actual number)
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omg hi has probably been said close to 100,000 over the course of the IRC channels life(if anyone has logs going that far back I am genuinely curious to the actual number)
That might be a lowball estimate :D
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I'm just catching up here so there's a lot I'm missing, but I'll go back and comment on the issue of government offices.
I am not against the idea of perhaps consolidating some elected offices into appointed offices of another one (like we did with citizen diplomats and the citizen-Delegate). And on the issue of cabinets, we do already permit our executive officers to appoint assistants of various kinds. If we find that it's more conducive to administration and encouraging involvement, perhaps we could expand the duties of these appointed offices or make them more cabinet like or make that idea more clear in law.
The Citizen-Delegate, for example, can issue ambassador posts to regions or extraordinary posts for special negotiations, the Citizen-Sergeant already issues ranks within the Militia. Right now, the job of "Speaker" and internal administration have kinda fallen into once office while there's also a Citizen-Liaison post whose abolition is being discussed. Perhaps, just as the Delegate who handles external affairs, we could have the Citizen-Initiator be an internal administrator with the power to appoint various "ministers" recruitment, cultural events, education, communications etc. Perhaps this role should be separated from Speaker like functions such as vote administration and law keeping.
All that said, I do feel that all of these officers should ultimately serve at the pleasure of the Ecclesia and be legally subordinate to them, even if by virtue of their office they wield more influence (which they should if they're putting in that work). The powers they afford make them attractive and worth it enough in my eyes that we don't have to formalize them as being above the Ecclesia.