Movement for the removal of the resource system

[Zimmerwald]

We can't do anything by ourselves. Especially the commies, who don't import anything from capitalist nations.

Which is therefore the advantage of a Comecon type agreement.  Xyrael, PUR, and myself had agreed beforehand to trade with each other, and Herald-Collier and I are discussing an agreement.  Between us, we have petrochemicals, electronics, plastics, aluminum, steel, uranium, food, lumber, superalloys from H-C's cobalt, and various and sundry items.

[Bustos]

Still, the same geologic processes occur here, and besides, rare means rare.  If a resource is listed as rare, that means that not everybody should have it, for then it ceases to be rare.

The purpose of making it a rare was so people could *gasps* THINK about their rare selection against other countries.

[Bustos]

We can't do anything by ourselves. Especially the commies, who don't import anything from capitalist nations.

Which is therefore the advantage of a Comecon type agreement.  Xyrael, PUR, and myself had agreed beforehand to trade with each other, and Herald-Collier and I are discussing an agreement.  Between us, we have petrochemicals, electronics, plastics, aluminum, steel, uranium, food, lumber, superalloys from H-C's cobalt, and various and sundry items.

Smart man.

[Zimmerwald]

Besides, Myroria, that's only my policy, and I'm not sure if PUR, Xyrael, and H-C have adopted it.  

[Bustos]

PUR hasnt since she is involved with Irnotia in the agricultral exchange.

Anyways, its one thing to knock the system but, I dont see anyone, besides GC, proposing "better" versions.

[Myroria]

Because all a resource system does is make things more complicated and boring.

[Zimmerwald]

OR...

It keeps people from doing bad things like "I don't care if you blockade me because I'm completely self-sufficient!"

I know.  I've done it, and it's awful RP.  If we're trying to come up with even a reasonable facsimile of international politics, we've got to figure in natural resources.  Otherwise, blockades become ineffective, imperialism can't be justified (which is why you should support the RS, Garth), and a large reason for creating alliances and blocs would have disappeared.  It simply doesn't make sense.

Besides, it's not like this is one of those tracker-type maladies.  It's very simple; you choose your resources, and that's all.  It's not like you have to keep track of them by logging into a calculator every twenty minutes, and trading partners are easy to keep track of.

[Myroria]

I never said "make us completely self-sufficient". This is basically so we have at least more resources to choose from. Why not increase it to 15 common, 5 rare or something?

[Zimmerwald]

I'm against increasing rares, for reasons already stated (rare means rare,) but increasing commons is by no means a bad idea.  Besides, you have yet to found your "Jewel Colony," which would give you another Rare, and Ryaz has yet to found one as well.

How does eight commons sound?

[Myroria]

10 commons?

[Zimmerwald]

haggling, eh? 

I'm sticking with eight, but Bustos should also propose a number.  And perhaps, if we're agreeing to increase the number of commons, the increase should be put before a vote of the Council.

Something like this:

Do you wish to increase the number of common resources in the Resource system to...


• eight commons
• ten commons
• fifteen commons
• <whatever Bustos proposes>
• I do not wish to increase the number of commons.

[Bustos]

Increasing the number of commons, should result in an increase in number of commons listed.

We could also get rid of water as a resource for simplicity.

[Gulliver]

Yes, at the very least I would like the removal of water as a required resource, and sugar moved out of grains and in among tea, indigo, cotton, etc. as a seperate resource in its own right.

The main reason I suppose I would like to keep it with adjustments is so that I can create a Taijitan OPEC and control the world >: )

[Zimmerwald]

If we get rid of water, we must get rid of food.  The assumption behind getting rid of water is that it's a resource that everybody has.  Well, it isn't.  The comparison is made to air, but everybody has air; nowhere on a sufficiently large planet is there a lack of atmosphere.  Water is scarce and discrete, and should be counted.

Besides, that eliminates the concept of "desert," and ignores the fact that many countries actually do import water.  It's perfectly fine with me if you don't want to include water as a resource; it's not manditory.  Only be prepared to trade for it.

And I agree with Prag about sugar, as I always have.

[Myroria]

There's more water than land on a planet, and we're in the 21st century. We know how to turn seawater into fresh water.