Movement for the removal of the resource system

[Myroria]

I move that the resource system be either:

1. Drastically improved
2. Removed altogether.

My reasons:

We can't do anything by ourselves. Especially the commies, who don't import anything from capitalist nations. Here's just a small list of things that cannot be made anywhere without outside help:

Computers (so many little parts with different resources that no nation can make them by themselves)
Airplanes (see above.)
Pretty much any electronic (see above.)
Fabric (considering basically no one took anything to make fabric with)
Anything plastic (You need a shitload of stuff to make plastic)

Reason two: The resources are soooooo common they're practically not resources. Since when has water been a resource? Even Albania, with 98% of it's people having access to water, is considered bad. Why not make oxygen a resource while we're at it, and force everybody to choose it?

[Ryazania]

I agree. When I voted for the system I thought it was just going to be for trade and such. I would have never voted it in if I knew  had to trade for every single resource to make something.

[Gulliver]

Ah, finally people are coming around to my side.

*Evil laughter*

*Coughs*

But more seriously, I've said it from the start and I'll say it again: turning RP into a numbers and statistics driven game and competition, especially when said numbers are encouraging people to go on imperialistic rampages which will inevitabley result in great big, moronic confrontations driven by an insane competition before all else mentality, is a recipe for disaster. Soon, instead of writing our stories and histories we're just sitting at our calculators punching in numbers for hours on end and at eachother's throats, bickering over just what all of these numbers mean. God, I remember when I did that back in the First Lexicon War...

*shudders*

Sucked the fun out of everything in an instant.

[Ryazania]

The FLW was fun, I don't know what you're talking about Oh wait, we were the fun side, randomly bombing places for no reason at all.

[Derva]

When I voted for it I thought it was just "primary resources". Not, that's all we get.

[Bustos]

Example, one of USA's resources is oil.  They get it from Texas and Alaska, yet they still have to import oil from Nigeria and the Middle East.  Hence why a nation may have many natural resources but in reality, cannot meet their domestic demands and has to import additional resources to supplement their own or lack thereof.

As Pragmia so desires, to avoid number crunching, I thought (and others as this has been discussed for some amount of time) a smaller number of resources per nation.  Rather than 'okay I can get this much oil from my drilling operations and my country needs that much oil, so I can export only this much oil.'  Or 'darn I can only drill this much oil so I need to import that amount of oil to meet domestic demand.'

I'd like to point out that I find it funny that the main opponents to this resource systems are the ones that havent engaged in much, if any, trade at all.  No nation is self sufficient.

I had expected, perhaps foolishly, that there was going to be a huge trade convention of some sort once the system was in place, so nations can trade, swap, etc and get their desired resources.  I should have known change would be slow and resistance was to be expected.

The real purpose of the resource system was to give strength diplomatic and ecomonic options to the RP, instead of reverting to military threats (we all just saw Ryza and Myro attempt to gang up against Dervmark).  I've also said many times, that the resource system will continue to evolve and change.  This is only a natural expectation as any new, unproven system will require adjustments to better prefect it.

If the resource system is abolished in its entirety, I can make you one promise.  Expect bullying, military alliances, and wars to occur more frequently.

[Myroria]

If the resource system is abolished in its entirety, I can make you one promise.  Expect bullying, military alliances, and wars to occur more frequently.

Or less frequently considering we're not at each other's throats about the meager 8 resources we get and we can actually support ourselves.

I know no nation is self-sufficient. But no nation has to import EVERY SINGLE ITEM from their neighbors.

[Bustos]

You dont need every single item, just what you dont have.  Thats why you get your picks of eight resources.

[Zimmerwald]

Here's an idea; expand the Resource system to include more common resources, limit the number of nations that can have a certain rare resource (everybody's got oil and uranium).

Here's what I did when choosing my resources.  I was a bit confused about which ones to take, so I logged on to the CIA world factbook and looked up Cuba.  I think it's perfectly obvious that I model much of my nation after Cuba, so most of my resources would match.  My food resources are Chinese, and most of my other resources are Cuban.

Model yourself after another country!  Don't just randomly choose resources.  This would give the advantages that you know what that country's imports are as well, and will know whom you have to trade with.

[Myroria]

You dont need every single item, just what you dont have.

Which is pretty much everything.

[Zimmerwald]

Here, for example, are Cuba's imports and exports.

Exports:
sugar, nickel, tobacco, fish, medical products, citrus, coffee 

Imports - commodities:   
petroleum, food, machinery and equipment, chemicals 

[Bustos]

I had considered that, but again, as many poeple are quick to remind anyone, this isnt earth.  If a bunch of nations want to repeatedly pick oil as their rare, then that means on Taijitu oil is more plentiful.


I am still waiting on a nation to pick cotton.     

I did the same as you did GC, I looked up various equatorial nations and made my selections from here.

[Zimmerwald]

Still, the same geologic processes occur here, and besides, rare means rare.  If a resource is listed as rare, that means that not everybody should have it, for then it ceases to be rare.

[Myroria]

Maybe we had far more animals that fossilized than Earth.

[Bustos]

Exports
Natural Resources
Cobalt, copper, iron, limestone, uranium, water

Agricultural Products
Corn, rice, sugar, crabs, frogs, shrimp

Finished Goods
Electronics, military hardware, nuclear equipment, pharmacuetical grade recreational drugs, steel, superalloys

Imports

Acle
Bauxite
Silicon
Oil
Titanium

Nerdic Food Importation Company of Irnotia
Fruites                                                                               Vegitibles
Irnotia                                                                                   Irnotia
Tomato*, Cherry, Plum, Grapes                                              Broccoli, Lettuce,
PUR
 Orange, Pomegranate, Strawberry
Ryazania
Grapes, Strawberries, Peaches
Derva
 Plum, Cactus Fruit, Banana,
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Seafood                                                                            Animal Products
PUR                                                                                    Irnotia
Uichi Ryan Turtle, Seaweed, Crocodile                                    Beef
Ryazania
Mahi Mahi, Shark, Lobster
Derva
 Marlin, Tuna, Lobster
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Grain                                                                               Narcotics
PUR                                                                                 Irnotia
Rice, Sugar, Coffee, Cocoa, Bamboo, Wild Rice                     Wine, Tobacco
Derva                                                                              Derva
Oats                                                                               Zuavka

Supremo
Animal (cow, pig, poultry)
Grain (rice, wheat, corn)
Fish (crab, tuna, seaweed)
Lumber
Diamond
Platinum

Validus
Gold

From my Nat Stats, although the gold from Validus is still in question since nothing was formalized.  I've been engaging in ecomonic pursuits since we got this RP started.  Now, should Acle decide to cut me off, I am fucked as I have no other source of oil.  As it stands, Acle holds strong leverage over my nation and thus if I were to do something he didnt like, he could withhold his oil to make me stop.  Hello?  Economic sanctions!

Or we go back to the old ways.  "Ha I am bigger than you are!  GET IN MY BELLY!"

Any other oil producing nations wanna trade with me?