Taijitu
Forum Meta => The Role Play Council => Archived Role Play Boards => Archive => Proposals and Discussion => Topic started by: Zimmerwald on February 28, 2007, 02:39:13 PM
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I'd like to propose the following definitions for the various types of expansions in our national RP. As I see it, these will be expansions, joint sovereignty expansions, colonies, joint sovereignty colonies, jewel colonies, and joint sovereignty jewel colonies. If any other types of expansion exist, don't hesitate to add a definition for them.
If we can agree on definitions, they will become official, with all the effects that implies. Of course, none of these definitions will be retroactive. Definition of Joint Sovereignty Expansions, Joint Sovereignty Colonies, and Joint Sovereignty Jewel Colonies are invalid until Joint Sovereignty is recognized as a valid concept by the RP Council.
Expansion: the acquisition by a state of territory which is contiguous with the already existing national territory of that state. Expansion yields no new resources under the resource system.
Joint Sovereignty Expansion: expansion that is contiguous with all sovereign parties. Nets no new resources under the resource system.
Colony: territory annexed by a state that is not contiguous with the already existing national territory of that state. Colonies yield one common resource each under the resource system. If a colony becomes contiguous with its mother country, it ceases to be a colony and becomes an expansion, unless this occurs more than two RL weeks after the colony has been approved by the RP Council.
Joint Sovereignty Colony: territory annexed and owned by more than one state. It is a colony unless contiguous with all sovereign parties, at which point it becomes an expansion of all sovereign parties. Joint Sovereignty Colonies yield one common resource under the resource system, and all sovereign parties have access to this resource. As a restriction, once a joint sovereignty colony is created, the sovereign parties may not create further joint sovereign colonies with each other.
Jewel Colony: a colony that yields a rare resource as well as a common resource under the resource system. A state may have only one.
Joint Sovereignty Jewel Colony: a Joint Sovereignty Colony that yields one rare and one common resource under the resource system, and all sovereign parties have access to these resources. As a restriction, if a Joint Sovereignty Colony is created, the sovereign parties may not establish any further Colonies, Jewel Colonies, Joint Sovereignty Colonies, or Joint Sovereignty Jewel Colonies.
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Joint Sovereignty Jewel Colony: a Joint Sovereignty Colony that yields one rare and one common resource under the resource system, and all sovereign parties have access to these resources. As a restriction, if a Joint Sovereignty Colony is created, the sovereign parties may not establish any further Colonies, Jewel Colonies, Joint Sovereignty Colonies, or Joint Sovereignty Jewel Colonies.
And so a nation can have one Jewel Colony and one Joint Sovereignty Jewel Colony under these definitions?
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I thought it would be obvious, but okay, I'll add that in.
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Wording is very important and shouldn't be assumed. I know I would use a loophole if I saw one.
And so a nation can have one Jewel Colony and one Joint Sovereignty Jewel Colony under these definitions?
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:shrug:
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I dont like expansion, it means that taking land next to your country is poitnless and of no value, you need to take land in other places and break the land aprt
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Yeah I don't like the distinction. How does it make any sense that if suddenly I have contiguity with a colony it then stops producing resources?
I think there should be no distinction between expansions and colonies.
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theri shoudl be a minimum amount of land needed to gain for it to count as a new colony
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As Prag might say, don't change this into numbers guys... G-C's only trying to smoothen out a few details so imperialist nations don't make so many "colonies" that they become self sufficient.
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as long as their are people involved who only want to win, it will always be a numbers game
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There's still value to expansion, guys. True, it doesn't produce any resources, but expansion do have strategic value, and they're the cheapest and easiest to carry out. The reason they don't produce resources is because it is assumed that contiguous territory would have similar resources, and to prevent someone from doing what Bustos did with his Great Tribe.
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Yeah I don't like the distinction. How does it make any sense that if suddenly I have contiguity with a colony it then stops producing resources?
I think there should be no distinction between expansions and colonies.
Agreed. Even Rome conquered nearby lands and kingdoms to increase resources for the empire.
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Fine. If it becomes contiguous with the main country more than two RL weeks after it is approved by the RP Council, it will continue to produce resources.
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Should there be a limit on how many nations can be part of a Joint Sovereignty Colony, jewel or otherwise?
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I don't think so. I can't envision a Joint Sovereignty Colony being created for any reason other than to cement an incredibly strong alliance or Treaty Org., and those don't come around that often.
You wouldn't create one with a nation you distrusted, and with Taijitu RP...well, you get my drift.
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Two or more nations want the same resource, each agree, instead of a war over a colony to claim joint custody solving the problem.
If this occurs between two alliances...then the number of nations involved could be 10+ altogether. Just making sure before such a situation arises.
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I don't think the first situation has much probability of arising, because there is no set resource map. If more than one nation wants the same resource, all they have to do is each colonize a different area.
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Okay. Just dont say I didnt warn you.
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Fine. If it becomes contiguous with the main country more than two RL weeks after it is approved by the RP Council, it will continue to produce resources.
Are you going to add this in...?
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Can we also add in to make it offical about having all colonies approved by the RP Council, added in somewhere, before getting a spot on the map?
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Introduce a seperate resolution to cover it. This is just defining what's what in relation to resources especially, not about telling the mapmaker what to do.
Since nobody really seems to have a problem with the definitions as they exist, I'll just put this up for a vote.