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Title: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 01, 2015, 10:38:42 PM
Ok, so new to RPing and I wanted to pique curiosity by being all mysterious about my plans and such, but since you people seem so nice and give feedback, I thought I would play my first one straight and just vomit out the idea and see if I'll get any interest in this.

What you need to know:

1) Megatri is now on the map.  If you look, you'll notice my nation is now firmly planted directly between the nations on Australis  (Nova Letonna, Resdaynia and Vazhuvir) and the Cefnor nations (al'Khem, Funkadelia, Abasha, Malawa and to a lesser extent Omsarim).  According to the climate map, there are all sorts of mountains between Megatri and the Cefnor nations.

2) Megatri, for all intents and purposes, has been 'dark' since the 1966 Megatri Civil War.  Though many theories exist, no one (including me, btw) really knows why they cut off contact with the rest of Taijuti.  I'm thinking that could actually be another idea for a roleplay at some point...  Journalists and spies were expelled while it still looked as if there was no end to the war in site, and Megatri closed all embassies.

IN ADDITION, Megatri closed all ports, international flights and any and all trade routes.  Other nations were very unhappy, especially with no recourse or reason given.  While sanctions were imposed and various levels of threat attempted to reestablish contact with Megatri, there was little to no progress made over the 17 year self-imposed exile.

3) Year is 1983 - Now.  Megatri is going to send invitations (a la the Cefnor Conference (http://forum.taijitu.org/modern-national-role-play/cefnor-conference-(1982-)/), inviting delegates to attend an Economic Summit.  Rumors and speculation about what Megatri is going to say differ by nation. Even journalists and the foreign press are invited.

4) From Megatri (my) point of view, this is a calculated step to reintroduce Megatri to the world and begin to engage in international relations once again.   In truth, Megatri is going to offer free trade agreements with all of the nations above (and any others who would like to join).  That will be the major part of the conference.  Nations, of course will be free to do whatever with that offer.   :D

5) What is also not known is that Megatri leadership is going to have a closed door no press meeting with delegates where Megatri will answer a single question from each nation that we will answer fully and in truth.  This is, in my mind, an attempt to build trust.   The questions could be anything you guys want, from "what is your view on human rights?" or "where'd you guys go for 17 years" to more "creative (?)" things like "you still owe us $40 billion from that one thing you did that one time" or "will you apologize for the atrocities your armies committed in 1955."  etc. etc.

So that's my plan.  First, what do you guys think?  If it's lame, feel free to say so and how I could make it not be lame.  Second, if you read between the lines, you can see I'm trying to gather information on non-existent relationships, old wars, prejudices, etc. - so I'm going to have at least one or two statements that you guys are free to jump on.  Third, I hope my proposal here strikes the right balance, where I lay out just enough information that you guys can play off of it, but not dictate what the interactions are going to be.

Let me know what you think.  In the meantime, I'll be working on my factbook, whatever form that might take.  :)



Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1981 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Myroria on April 02, 2015, 12:24:13 AM
Very interested in this! Myroria will definitely attend.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1981 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Funkadelia on April 02, 2015, 12:50:28 AM
I would be interested in participating in this.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1981 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Letonna on April 02, 2015, 01:10:23 AM
I think this is a very cool idea! Count my nation in!
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1981 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Khem on April 02, 2015, 01:22:42 AM
Yea I'm in. Be nice to come up with a few links to refer to in the past for sure.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1981 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on April 02, 2015, 05:35:38 AM
New nation?  Free trade?   Oh yeah, I'm interested!
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1981 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Erno on April 02, 2015, 02:47:01 PM
Interesting indeed-s! Dalarian's representatives would definitely attend given chance.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 04, 2015, 03:06:32 PM
Ok all, thread is posted in the Modern Era room.

I was going to make cool invitations like I've seen in other threads, but ultimately decided against -- so everyone and anyone is hereby officially invited!!   8)

Feedback is welcome and appreciated!  As I said, first RP, so I can use all the tips I can get!

Oh, and I've also started on my wiki page:  http://wiki.taijitu.org/wiki/The_Republic_of_Megatridimensional_Order

Not much yet, but some brief, overarching history there, plus a map so you know where you are.  :)
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Eluvatar on April 06, 2015, 02:46:18 AM
The Royal Confederacy would be interested.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 06, 2015, 02:51:03 AM
The Royal Confederacy would be interested.

Jump on in! The more the merrier and/or messier! :D
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 07, 2015, 10:02:56 PM
Ok all, I've continued the story, but if we have late arrivals that's cool. 

Again, throwing stuff against the wall, seeing what sticks, so don't hesitate with feedback.

The proposal that is going to be made is based on microchip technology.  We're ahead in the research on that subject, and we will offer to share the technology in exchange for a free trade agreement with each nation.  After Silvercrone announces the proposal, each delegation will be given a private meeting to address their concerns, yell at us, etc.

Let me know if there's anything uncool there.   :)
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on April 08, 2015, 03:25:39 AM
What were you guys up to prior to 1966?  When does the history of your nation start?  Govt Type?

Just trying to get a feel on how our relations would have been like prior to the civil war.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 08, 2015, 10:42:45 AM
Nation began in 1799, after we broke away from the Telembrians.  We started in the north and worked our way south into Libia.   Unfortunately, not all of that land was uninhabited, and when we displaced tribes, we were not always .. honorable.   Think early USA.  However, ours wasn't Manifest Destiny so much as a calculated "us minus them = us." 

The most recent brutal displacement was around 1950 - a story for another time.  However, internally, we started to split into 3 factions - 1) keep expanding, screw human rights 2) stop expanding altogether and 3) expand but integrate.  By 1964-ish; three way civil war. The purge of '66 occurred when faction 1 gained control of the government , knowing that foreigners were likely assisting one of the other two factions.  However, faction 1 lost when faction 2 & 3 joined forces, but until now, the international intelligence community isnt exactly sure who won.  The civil war leaders are either dead, in prison or off the grid.

Up until the civil war, we were a fairly straightforward republic. Obviously expansionist, isolationist and while we had international relations, we weren't good at it and/or didn't care. Now, we still call ourselves a republic, but our citizens have probably given up a few too many freedoms for security. So far, the negative effects of this exchange have not been great.  I expect that will change as we move from the 80s to the 00s.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Khem on April 08, 2015, 12:39:01 PM
That certainly does help :) One note of critique on the portrayal of the Mundaskawanen, coming from a hot island nation black hockey masks would not be a thing they would wear. Masks in Khemish society are either for religious ceremony or theatrical performance, not used in any other field (discounting personal protective equipment such as a welders mask or respirators). I will be responding again today.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 08, 2015, 01:06:35 PM
That certainly does help :) One note of critique on the portrayal of the Mundaskawanen, coming from a hot island nation black hockey masks would not be a thing they would wear. Masks in Khemish society are either for religious ceremony or theatrical performance, not used in any other field (discounting personal protective equipment such as a welders mask or respirators). I will be responding again today.

Ok, cool.  I was going off the picture for this time frame in the Wiki.  I'll change it hopefully later today.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Myroria on April 11, 2015, 09:32:01 PM
Wasn't sure whether or not to write the Prime Minister's dialogue. If you don't want to do several one-line dialogue posts, I can either write his dialogue in an edit to my post or we could collaborate on a post. I'm also fine with doing it post-by-post, if you prefer. Up to you!
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on April 11, 2015, 09:36:33 PM
Oh I thought we were to imply/show our "interest in economic alignment" in our post, rather than have an actual dialogue with the PM.  Then I presumed he was going to make a post summing up his interpretations and the lead into the next event/day, like his post did on after we all arrived.  I might have to rewrite my intended post if this was not the goal.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Myroria on April 11, 2015, 09:39:07 PM
That might have been the intention! I'm not really sure.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on April 11, 2015, 09:43:52 PM
Now that I think about it, it could go both ways.  I am not good at creating smooth dialogue, so I could keep my post as intended.  You're pretty good at the dialogue thing so you two could still do that.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 12, 2015, 02:08:55 AM
My original intent was that you all could write the PM's dialog - he's not trying to be slick or coy or anything.  I have no problem with him being imperfect or making a mis-step or whatever, so I figure as long as the convo gives me a bit of insight into how open you all are (or are not) to an economic partnership, I have no problem with handing over the puppet strings.

And Bustos' idea to go a non-conversational route would work just as well.  I'll come in after everyone gives me the info and somehow cobble it together.

I think one line back and forth would be a little harder to pull off and probably draw it out to where everyone (me included) might lose interest.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Myroria on April 12, 2015, 02:17:35 AM
I'll edit my post tonight, then.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 14, 2015, 10:53:02 PM
"Son, I doubt you even know yourself yet. But I'd be happy to watch you drink yourself into a stupor as you try to find him!"

:clap:

FYI, I'm going to try to have the next part up in the next couple days if anyone else wants to post in the meantime.  :)
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on April 15, 2015, 12:52:53 AM
Yeah I liked his response too. 


:wine:   <-- the Chairperson       :keke:
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on April 16, 2015, 05:02:27 AM
...such a good read...that post made me laugh and broke my heart at the same time...very good writing sir.


my folo up post will pale in comparison... 
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Khem on April 16, 2015, 05:27:40 AM
Oh my wow. I'm torn on the direction to take my response. We may demand all factions to have a delegation present.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 16, 2015, 01:08:06 PM
...such a good read...that post made me laugh and broke my heart at the same time...very good writing sir.

Thanks!  You contributed some great ideas, though - stuff I wouldn't have thought of like the Spec Ops team, etc.  Looking forward to see where this goes!
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 16, 2015, 01:15:43 PM
Oh my wow. I'm torn on the direction to take my response. We may demand all factions to have a delegation present.

Oh that's not an option I would have thought of! Essentially questioning the legitimacy of the faction that won...

Remember though that two of the factions joined forces to defeat the third (The Ascendancy), but it could be that the less powerful winning faction didn't get its fair share of the spoils/power, and they might leap at the chance your stance would provide.  My thought is also that we had a treaty with the Ascendancy, which they obviously just broke, so such a demand might give me the opportunity to show some spine, rather than all the modest grovelling my nation has done thus far! :D :D
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Myroria on April 16, 2015, 01:36:20 PM
Excellent post! We haven't had a real terrorist attack RP in years! ;)

I'll be sure to respond tonight.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 16, 2015, 10:31:01 PM
Yay!  Someone is staying!

Thanks Letonna, nice post.   :drunks:
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Myroria on April 21, 2015, 12:58:53 PM
I will be withdrawing my delegation, but I still plan to be involved with the events happening, if that's possible!
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 21, 2015, 01:24:04 PM
I was glad to see someone bail, if only for the variety's sake.  I really liked that you had a strong difference of opinion among your officials.

Now, how to keep your nation involved?  You could try to attend remotely - like teleconference.  Would have been newer tech in the early 80s and as such, not very reliable... maybe the disconnects frustrate your ambassador further, escalating your internal conflict?

Or, my nation could perceive it as an insult (even though we said we wouldn't) and start down the path of strained relations.  If you wanted to go that route, we could write history that Myroria backed the Ascendancy and retcon  (did I use that right? ;D ) my nations internal discussion to add our concern with Myroria so that our conflict doesn't come out of nowhere.

Just spitballing, but no reason any nation that physically withdraws can't continue showing the ramifications and/or diplomatic tapdancing and/or participate via phone and/or secret negotiation (thats another option).

If you let me know what you want to do, I can throw some foreshadowing and setup and also be sure my peeps respond appropriately for the plotline.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Myroria on April 21, 2015, 01:28:39 PM
I'll think on what I'd like to do and get back to you today!
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 21, 2015, 01:53:36 PM
Cool. I hope to give some more particulars on the civil war factions in this thread before EOD.  Then I'll work on the next installment of the Summit and post it within the next few days.   :fro:
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Letonna on April 21, 2015, 09:30:35 PM
I will be keeping my delegation there, but I plan to play hardball in the negotiations. Letonna will very likely take advantage of the political upheaval, and use that as leverage to get what it wants.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 21, 2015, 10:27:10 PM
I will be keeping my delegation there, but I plan to play hardball in the negotiations. Letonna will very likely take advantage of the political upheaval, and use that as leverage to get what it wants.

I don't believe we'll be in any shape to stop you, especially as desperate as we are to make this a success -- but we will likely push back a bit, lest we begin a trend of capitulation (we're a little on edge right now ;D ) - so how about you aim high, and we'll make a weak counter that will still be far and away a steal for you guys?
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 21, 2015, 10:29:23 PM
OK, here's some information I wrote up on the Megatrine Civil War.  This will give you a good idea of the factions, what they stand for, and where you might want to (have) align(ed) your own nations.

Appreciate any questions, comments or problematic issues!

http://wiki.taijitu.org/wiki/Megatrine_Civil_War
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Letonna on April 21, 2015, 11:48:48 PM
Ok, that's very doable. I'll likely push for a naval base on the coast that will allow for Letonese vessels to dock, provided tax free of course, in exchange for the privilege to sell fuel to Letonese military and economic vessels at a discount price. Also, I will provide you with trade and access to the rich mineral deposits in Nova Letonna(provided at somewhat fair price), and maybe even some political strong arming to get the Myrorians off your back(depending on how Myroria takes his big stick diplomacy).

I said in a rp post that my government used to support the Ascendancy, but we can make a change if enough of a deal can be made. Those are my 'aim high goals' and are of course subject to change depending how other people take their rp's and how the overall plot changes.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Myroria on April 22, 2015, 02:52:52 AM
Just spitballing here:

During the Civil War, Myroria supported the Ascendency with the understanding that Myroria would have significant influence over any new state that formed (whether or not the Ascendency would renege on this understanding or not is up to you). When the Ascendency lost, the government decided to cut their losses and attempt to make peace with the victors.

With the attack at this conference, though, the Myrorians decide that it's better to hold back and see where it progresses - perhaps giving some help to the Ascendency in the future, though not to the extent it once did. Through gunboat diplomacy, etc., Myroria would encourage "dialogue" and "compromise" that it hopes would end favorably for the Ascendency and, by proxy, itself.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on April 22, 2015, 03:58:18 AM
Following the trend...

"Just spitballing here:"

Had a few ideas to add as well as some ideas to add internal depth to my history at the same time (I didn't have a reason for the grandson taking over as opposed to the son, this RP gave me an idea for one):

Pre 1964.  The Bustos Family is ideologically aligned with the Rationalists however there would have been elements in the company that would have found the Ascendancy to be potentially more profitable, trade wise.  So the AS would have traded with all willing factions with no preference.

Post 1964.  Under, then, Chairperson Christopher's (the grandfather) direction, did the AS focus on trade with the Rationalists, using the argument that they were the most likely to win, thus the potential for future and long term business resided with them.  Some members of the Board would have pointed to the Ascendancy's initial success, especially during the Purge of '66, as evidence that the Chairperson had aligned with the losing side.  There was a small but, influential, movement within the company to replace the Chairperson.  When the Rationalist and URDF managed to work together and win by 1969, said Board members and accomplices, were terminated and blacklisted along with certain members of the Bustos Family that were disowned, one of which being his own son.

All of this controversy would have been front page news inside the AS btwn 1964-1969, thus the AS's involvement favoring the Rationalists would have been no secret.  This would allow the Ascendancy to have clear knowledge that the grandfather was working against them.  Hence the assassination attempt on the grandson?

Post 1971.  Trade essentially dropped to a crawl?  Is this when you basically shut yourself off from the rest of us or was it when the civil war first started? or even earlier?

Feel free to comment/adjust/clarify.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Khem on April 22, 2015, 06:02:33 AM
We would've supported the URDF and thanks for the info.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 22, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
*snip*
I said in a rp post that my government used to support the Ascendancy, but we can make a change if enough of a deal can be made. Those are my 'aim high goals' and are of course subject to change depending how other people take their rp's and how the overall plot changes.

Ok, I like it.  I'm not sure yet how I'm going to incorporate this into the next segment, but I'll at least head in this direction.

During the Civil War, Myroria supported the Ascendency with the understanding that Myroria would have significant influence over any new state that formed (whether or not the Ascendency would renege on this understanding or not is up to you). When the Ascendency lost, the government decided to cut their losses and attempt to make peace with the victors.

With the attack at this conference, though, the Myrorians decide that it's better to hold back and see where it progresses - perhaps giving some help to the Ascendency in the future, though not to the extent it once did. Through gunboat diplomacy, etc., Myroria would encourage "dialogue" and "compromise" that it hopes would end favorably for the Ascendency and, by proxy, itself.

Great!  I'll head that direction and meet you there.  Right now, just so you know, I'm about 80% sure the Ascendancy is going to lose - but I can't guarantee it, given that I can change my mind 40 times until I put it down on paper/screen.

Had a few ideas to add as well as some ideas to add internal depth to my history at the same time (I didn't have a reason for the grandson taking over as opposed to the son, this RP gave me an idea for one):

Pre 1964.  The Bustos Family is ideologically aligned with the Rationalists however there would have been elements in the company that would have found the Ascendancy to be potentially more profitable, trade wise.  So the AS would have traded with all willing factions with no preference.

Post 1964.  Under, then, Chairperson Christopher's (the grandfather) direction, did the AS focus on trade with the Rationalists, using the argument that they were the most likely to win, thus the potential for future and long term business resided with them.  Some members of the Board would have pointed to the Ascendancy's initial success, especially during the Purge of '66, as evidence that the Chairperson had aligned with the losing side.  There was a small but, influential, movement within the company to replace the Chairperson.  When the Rationalist and URDF managed to work together and win by 1969, said Board members and accomplices, were terminated and blacklisted along with certain members of the Bustos Family that were disowned, one of which being his own son.

All of this controversy would have been front page news inside the AS btwn 1964-1969, thus the AS's involvement favoring the Rationalists would have been no secret.  This would allow the Ascendancy to have clear knowledge that the grandfather was working against them.  Hence the assassination attempt on the grandson?

Perfect.  I've written in the wiki that the Rationalists were funded by an unknown nation, leading to their ultimate victory.  You want to be that nation?

Quote from: Bustos
Post 1971.  Trade essentially dropped to a crawl?  Is this when you basically shut yourself off from the rest of us or was it when the civil war first started? or even earlier?

'66 was when the Ascendancy booted everyone out and cut off all trade.  They had control of the government at that time, and though the other two factions ganged up to take it back, they didn't get around to re-establishing international relations before they were back at each others' throats.

So I would say deterioration of trade from '64-'66, then nothing until this summit.  The Rationalists took back control in '81, but were in cleanup mode until now.

We would've supported the URDF and thanks for the info.

Ok, good to know. I'll mix that in.


I should have the next segment up on Friday, but no need to wait - if you've got another scene to add, go for it!

Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 22, 2015, 10:02:07 PM
Just spitballing

Just spitballing here:

"Just spitballing here:"

(http://www.bigbaldben.com/megatri/fry.png)
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on April 23, 2015, 12:45:22 AM
Quote from:  bigbaldben
Perfect.  I've written in the wiki that the Rationalists were funded by an unknown nation, leading to their ultimate victory.  You want to be that nation?

I was considering being that nation however, to keep in character, AS wouldn't just funnel large amounts of capital into a foreign state without a plan on gaining returns on the investment.  This would also include having a permanent security presence there, prior to your summit.  To protect our interests and to keep your government in power to further safeguard our interests.  Not sure if you'd want that and what you'd offer in return for the investment.

Quote from:  bigbaldben
'66 was when the Ascendancy booted everyone out and cut off all trade.  They had control of the government at that time, and though the other two factions ganged up to take it back, they didn't get around to re-establishing international relations before they were back at each others' throats.

So I would say deterioration of trade from '64-'66, then nothing until this summit.  The Rationalists took back control in '81, but were in cleanup mode until now.

I figured that was probably the case.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Erno on April 23, 2015, 05:16:10 PM
Just caught up, and would like apologise for missing on previous "response" time, because, basically, "life happened", and I barely had enough time.
Will add own entry by tonight.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 23, 2015, 07:49:12 PM
Just caught up, and would like apologise for missing on previous "response" time, because, basically, "life happened", and I barely had enough time.
Will add own entry by tonight.

Stupid life, always happening when I don't want it to.  Np, I'm aiming for tomorrow sometime to write so you're good!
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Erno on April 23, 2015, 09:49:58 PM
Life itself is nice, until others happen to be in it ;D
And sure, thanks for understanding!
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 27, 2015, 11:09:03 AM
Ok, next step is this: Silvercrone will give the keynote and the basics of what we would like to see in a trade agreement.   In the meantime, probably today, I will post the generic agreement in this thread.  This offer is to all nations, even if you had to leave the conference.  Once Silvercrone gives his speech, interested nations should post the offer/counteroffer (with your changes) and any accompanying narrative in the RP thread.  The Order will ratify, reject, or negotiate based on what you post.  Then the Summit will come to a close.

Make sense?  Good plan?  Better ideas?
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 27, 2015, 09:35:39 PM
Standard free trade agreement that the Order will offer all nations attending (or attended at some point, or are teleconferencing in, etc. etc.) is below.  Like any good document, I ripped off some of the wording from an actual free trade agreement (US and Lebanon, I believe).  ;D

Once Silvercrone gives his speech, negotiations open!  In the RP thread, you can:

1. agree to sign with no changes
2. make changes, add conditions, etc. 
3. reject outright

After which the Order will

1. also sign
2. accept changes and sign or reject changes
3. say goodbye and good luck

So we don't get into a quazillion posts of back and forth, for those of you in #2, if the Order rejects your changes, you will have one final chance to sign or make a statement about how unyielding and inflexible we are or whatever.

I'll give everyone some time IRL (a week after Silvercrone's speech - which will be...maybe Wed?) to respond to this agreement - but I will respond to your response fairly quickly so we can wrap this up.

For those nations that fell away (and/or people who have lives and for some reason prioritize that life over Taijitu) you can sign or negotiate whenever you can, but once I end the conference, all unsigned offers will be rescinded because closure.

As always, feel free to offer alternatives or suggestions!

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Agreement Between
The Republic of Megatridimensional Order
and
[Insert Nation Here]
on the Establishment of Free Trade

The Government of the Republic of Megatridimensional Order and [Insert Nation Here] (hereafter, “partner party”), in order to:

Strengthen the bonds of friendship and economic relations and cooperation between them;

Establish clear and mutually advantageous rules governing their trade;

Promote their mutual interest through trade between their nations; with a view towards raising living standards and promoting economic growth, investment opportunities, development, prosperity, employment and the optimal use of resources in their territories;

Raise the capacity and international competitiveness of their goods and services;

Agree as follows:

1.  Each Party will eliminate import taxes on originating goods of the other Party.

2.  A Party may not introduce a new tax on imports or a new quantitative restriction on imports in trade between the Parties.

3.  Each Party will accord to nationals of the other Party treatment no less favorable than it accords to its own nationals with regard to the protection and enjoyment of all intellectual property rights and any benefits derived therefrom.

4.  The Government of the Republic of Megatridimensional Order, within 45 days of this agreement, will release documentation, including design specifications and laboratory trials, of the Digital Megaprocessor Microchip Technology (DMMT) to the partner party for use in both parties’ current and future goods and services. 

   a. The Government of the Republic of Megatridimensional Order waives all intellectual property rights and all claims to compensation from the DMMT as used in goods and services created or originated in the national boundaries of the partner party in perpetuity, including after this agreement is dissolved.

   b. The Government of the Republic of Megatridimensional Order retains all intellectual property rights and all claims to compensation from the use of the DMMT in goods and services created or originated in the national boundaries of nations with whom the Government of the Republic of Megatridimensional Order has no existing free trade agreement.

5.  The partner party agrees not to sell, give, trade or leave unprotected the design specifications or any other documented or verbal instructions on the DMMT.

6.  Each Party will implement fully the obligations of this agreement within six months from the date of signature.
7. Nothing in this Agreement will be construed:

a.  to require any Party to furnish or allow access to any information the disclosure of which it determines to be contrary to its essential security interests;

b.  to prevent any Party from taking any actions that it considers necessary for the protection of its essential security interests:

i.  relating to the traffic in arms, ammunition and implements of war and to such traffic and transactions in other goods, materials, services and technology undertaken directly or indirectly for the purpose of supplying a military or other security establishment,

ii.  taken in time of war or other emergency in international relations

8.   The Parties will make every attempt to arrive at a mutually agreeable resolution:

a.  whenever a dispute arises concerning the interpretation of this Agreement;

b.  whenever a Party considers that the other Party has failed to carry out its obligations under this Agreement; or

c.   whenever a Party considers that measures taken by the other Party severely distort the balance of trade benefits accorded by this Agreement, or substantially undermine fundamental objectives of this Agreement.
If Parties cannot come to a mutually agreeable resolution, parties will agree to abide by the ruling of a third party moderator from another Taijitu nation within thirty (30) days of date dispute was initiated and communicated from the aggrieved party to the other party.  If parties cannot agree on a third party moderator, this agreement will expire forty-five (45) days from date dispute was initiated and communicated from the aggrieved party to the other party.

9.  Either Party may terminate this Agreement by written notification to the other Party.   This Agreement will expire three (3) months after the date of such notification.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned, being duly authorized by their respective governments, have signed this agreement in the City of Nirvana, Cetacea, Republic of Megatridimensional Order on the date of XXXXXXX.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 29, 2015, 11:45:10 PM
Bustos, I just noticed the political cartoon.  Bravo!  :clap:
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on April 30, 2015, 01:28:58 AM
IN THE HOME STRETCH now.  Woot.

Silvercrone's speech is over - if as many of you as possible could reply with the contract (see above) and maybe throw in your own goodbye scene, then I will wrap up the conference.

I don't want to leave it open indefinitely, so should we say:  May 11?  That'll give two weekends.

Thanks everyone - hope you sign the free trade agreements, but regardless, this has been quite fun!!  Thanks for participating!  :)
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on May 04, 2015, 03:32:32 PM
Bustos, I just noticed the political cartoon.  Bravo!  :clap:

Thanks.   :drunks:
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on May 08, 2015, 10:27:32 PM
Hey guys, can someone throw me a bone?   :keke:

If you just want to post a yes or no WRT the trade agreement, I can even run with that!  Help me close this out and feed my obsessive compulsive side!!!   :)
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Khem on May 08, 2015, 10:42:30 PM
Sorry we will be declining, was trying to think of a rewrite however the IP isn't something we could work with.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on May 08, 2015, 11:12:18 PM
Sorry we will be declining, was trying to think of a rewrite however the IP isn't something we could work with.

No problem!  Sorry what is IP? Intellectual property?  I was kind of thinking that after reading up on your nation.  Maybe we'll go to war at some point.  Yay.  Anyway thanks for giving it a shot. :-)
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Khem on May 09, 2015, 02:12:37 AM
Yea intellectual property isn't something I imagine would immediately spark a war. Embargo and such tensions leading to a cold war attitude I can see though. No probs :D
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on May 09, 2015, 03:52:25 AM
i plan to say, yes, still workin on my post.

u gave until wed, 11th



Oh and what is the issue with the IP?  Megatri is giving up all rights on it...
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Khem on May 09, 2015, 05:05:04 AM
Oh IP isn't given any rights at all in Khem aside from those owned by the state which go public after five years anyhow. We couldn't stick to the terms which are heavily embedded in the agreement. All thats left after is free trade which we aren't keen on either.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on May 09, 2015, 11:32:19 AM
i plan to say, yes, still workin on my post.

u gave until wed, 11th

Yep, absolutely.  I was just getting a little nervous.   :-P


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Oh and what is the issue with the IP?  Megatri is giving up all rights on it...

Yes, all IP rights to the DMMT, but more importantly, everything you need to know to manufacture it - I have only a vague notion of what it is exactly.  A MacGuffin, I suppose, for future worldbuilding.   Some nation might sell it, some nation might steal it, a corporation might steal it from it's own goverment, or a Norse god might travel across the universe and use it to open a portal that begins an alien invasion of Taijitu that can only be stopped by a team of extraordinary people, if  they can learn to work together!!

For a Taijitu example, al'Khem's point about a likely cold war attitude developing (due to the nature of our conflicting national views) sets up the perfect scenario for them to steal the DMMT if they wanted to (claiming, of course, that they didn't steal, but developed it on their own - true or not, doesn't really matter, of course  ;) ) - IOW, a whole new branch to explore for whoever might want to explore it.  If there's no interest, then ya know, there's just no interest, and that's cool.  That's my thought anyway.  Hopefully not treading on any toes to verify OOC that it IS (in 1983) extremely advanced.

I suppose I should have learned by now to better utilize the OOC thread with explanations like this, lol.   :drunk: 

Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on May 09, 2015, 03:33:27 PM
Oh IP isn't given any rights at all in Khem aside from those owned by the state which go public after five years anyhow. We couldn't stick to the terms which are heavily embedded in the agreement. All thats left after is free trade which we aren't keen on either.


Ahh, okay, I was never sure what direction your government went with the economy during modern times.  Now I am seeing it.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on May 11, 2015, 05:22:42 PM
Thanks Bustos!  And not just for the last post, which was a cool ending from your perspective.  But also thanks for participating in the role play and offering up the Duke to be the victim.  Really helped make the summit meaningful...
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Bustos on May 12, 2015, 02:28:15 AM
Oh, no problem.   I enjoyed it!   :congrats:
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on May 12, 2015, 12:01:25 PM
Ok, so far we have:

The Khem - No, due to philosophical differences in economy and intellectual property.

Allied States of Bustos:  Yes, signed as is.

That leaves Myroria, Letonna, St. Oz, and Erno.  Let me know as soon as you can and I'll wrap this mf up.  :D
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on May 12, 2015, 11:46:08 PM
Oh, Myroria.  You get the slow clap.  Clap.  Clap.  Clap.

Excellent!  Glad you signed but awesome that you did it so Bustos would have no advantage.  Didn't see that coming, probably b/c I don't know the history all that well.  Anyway, I thought it was great!

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Question for really anyone - has Letonna left Taijitu?   http://forum.taijitu.org/citizen-initiator's-podium/citizen-initiator-updates-and-questions/msg156905/#msg156905

If so, how do you usually handle it in worldbuilding history when a nation disappears?
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: Myroria on May 13, 2015, 12:20:51 AM
Glad you liked it!

I know Letonna IRL. He'll most likely be back but as far as I know he has a lot of things going on right now. I think we're safe to leave him on the map for now - if someone is gone for a very long time, we'll usually remove them and patch up the collective holes. I don't think he'll be gone for very long, though.

EDIT: Regarding this RP, I would just go on without him. I haven't heard from Erno in a while, either.
Title: Re: The Megatridimensional Order 1983 Economic Summit - OOC
Post by: bigbaldben on May 14, 2015, 05:16:17 PM
The summit has now officially ended!   :congrats:

A BIG thank you to everyone who made the Summit such a success!  Great writing and input by everyone involved!!