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Government of Taijitu => The Ecclesia => Officer Elections => Topic started by: Gulliver on December 17, 2014, 04:19:18 AM

Title: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Gulliver on December 17, 2014, 04:19:18 AM
There was talk in the nomination thread of letting people ask questions of all the candidates, and then having them answer and so forth in a debate or pseudo-debate. Since we don't have a ton of time before voting starts, have at it candidates and voters.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Myroria on December 17, 2014, 04:31:41 AM
I have a question that I request each candidate answer.

As the Glorious Revolution steams through its third month, Taijitu has shot to over 300 nations. Our RP is both more active and of greater quality, and our social community is thriving and growing. We have one of the largest defender armies in NationStates, are talked about globally on a scale not seen since 2008, and command increasing respect abroad. But one area where the Revolution has been lacking is foreign affairs. We opened an embassy with our revolutionary friends in Lazarus, and are in talks with Equilism and Kvatch, but that's really about it.

As delegate, how will you expand our relations with regions and organizations, and what foreign policies will you pursue? Will you be more of a treaty-signer, or a speak-softly-and-carry-a-big-stick type?
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Funkadelia on December 17, 2014, 08:36:42 AM
In my opinion, it is impossible to be the latter, as there is no stick for Taijitu to carry. I believe at the point that Taijitu is at and that Nationstates gameplay is at, our delegate must be a treaty signer. Now is the time for Taijitu to make a name for itself in the world. What I mean by this is that we must continue to cultivate our image: not incredibly serious, but a respectable region nonetheless. We must begin to reach out for allies in the world. Taijitu must be valued as an important ally to other regions in order to remain relevant. We must engage in cultural exchanges with other regions as well as military cooperation.

I like to think of Taijitu as one of the only Roleplay region voices in gameplay. We are capable of engaging in both sides of the game, and I think that makes Taijitu one of the best regions in the world. We must embrace this reality to make Taijitu legendary. We will be renowned with our gameplaying allies as a region that is always able to provide support, but we will also be known as a region that has high quality roleplay, which we've done consistently for the past seven years.

I am not going to hide the fact that I am a defender, or that I am a Francoist. If I am elected delegate, I am telling you now that I would engage in an aggressive defender policy in my capacities as delegate, as limited as they may be by the construct of this government. I would be working exclusively with our defender friends and would seek closer relations with defender and non-GP regions.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: The Church of Satan on December 17, 2014, 08:52:53 AM
I have a question for all of the candidates as well.

As I'm sure you're aware, diplomacy is tricky. Some regions/organizations would rather ally with a region such as ours simply because they are more powerful than us and they could use that power to leverage us, strong arm us if you will. If you were to identify such regions, how would you handle the situation? Do you feel such alliances are worth the shame of being persuaded by a foreign power because they might offer some form of reassurance or do you feel we are better off without such an oppressive, constricting obligation?
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: McMasterdonia on December 17, 2014, 12:36:00 PM
I have a question?
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Khem on December 17, 2014, 04:37:17 PM
My question for the candidates is, are you going to take joy in being the face of Taijitu with limited influence over the body which you face for?
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Funkadelia on December 17, 2014, 05:38:13 PM
I have a question for all of the candidates as well.

As I'm sure you're aware, diplomacy is tricky. Some regions/organizations would rather ally with a region such as ours simply because they are more powerful than us and they could use that power to leverage us, strong arm us if you will. If you were to identify such regions, how would you handle the situation? Do you feel such alliances are worth the shame of being persuaded by a foreign power because they might offer some form of reassurance or do you feel we are better off without such an oppressive, constricting obligation?

Such an arrangement is unacceptable. Taijitu has always been a free and independent region, and we will, as the founder nation's motto is, bow to no tyrant. We have no need for reassurance because we are not in a position where we are in particular need of aid. I don't see how another region can help us more than we can help ourselves.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Kardex on December 17, 2014, 08:02:04 PM
Sorry I'm late I just saw this. For Myroria's question, Taijitu should increase our foreign relations by opening embassies and signing nonaggression treaties with friendly regions, but we have to be careful because there are dangerous regions out there that may threaten our democracy. We must carefully research regions before considering opening embassies with them and make sure we come out even or ahead in any treaty we may sign.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Kardex on December 17, 2014, 08:33:51 PM
I have a question for all of the candidates as well.

As I'm sure you're aware, diplomacy is tricky. Some regions/organizations would rather ally with a region such as ours simply because they are more powerful than us and they could use that power to leverage us, strong arm us if you will. If you were to identify such regions, how would you handle the situation? Do you feel such alliances are worth the shame of being persuaded by a foreign power because they might offer some form of reassurance or do you feel we are better off without such an oppressive, constricting obligation?

That is unacceptable, Taijitu is a strong, independent region and will never allow another region to strong arm it. As delegate I would work tirelessly to advance Taijitu's world standing even farther and such an agreement would be counteractive to that goal.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Kardex on December 17, 2014, 08:35:34 PM
I have a question?

Nothing would bring me more joy than being Taijitu's delegate.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Eluvatar on December 17, 2014, 11:33:43 PM
I am not going to hide the fact that I am a defender, or that I am a Francoist. If I am elected delegate, I am telling you now that I would engage in an aggressive defender policy in my capacities as delegate, as limited as they may be by the construct of this government. I would be working exclusively with our defender friends and would seek closer relations with defender and non-GP regions.

What about our existing alliance with The North Pacific?

Is there any merit to the notion of also being a bridge between "Independent" regions and Defender regions?

My own questions for the candidates:

What role do you think the Citizen-Delegate has in protecting and promoting Taijitu Worldbuilding? How would you meet it?

How do you envision functioning as the face of the Ecclesia, our government, when you will not always agree with the majority?

I reserve the right to ask more questions, later.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Myroria on December 17, 2014, 11:39:54 PM
I concur with Eluvatar's question. Despite the quickly-disappearing notion of an "Independent" region, those that do identify as independent - at least from my view - tend to be powerful potential allies - or outright allies, in the case of TNP. Would you make an exception in your hard-line defenderism to grow closer to an "independent" region?
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Kardex on December 18, 2014, 12:53:01 AM
Eluvatar, to answer your question, the Citizen-Delegate has to communicate with other delegates to further diplomatic relations with other regions. I believe that Taijitu should open embassies with as many friendly regions as possible. I also believe that the Citizen-Delegate, along with all other citizens, should be willing to speak his mind and come out for what he believes in even when its against the majority, we live in a democracy which means majority rule but the minority still gets a voice.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: The Church of Satan on December 18, 2014, 01:51:31 AM
Another question for the candidates. Independent regions sometimes do things that defender regions don't particularly approve of. What approach would you take in regards to maintaining diplomatic relations with independent regions?
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Kardex on December 18, 2014, 03:04:25 AM
Another question for the candidates. Independent regions sometimes that defender regions don't particularly approve of. What approach would you take in regards to maintaining diplomatic relations with independent regions?

As Citizen-Delegate I would want an embassy with any region that, in my opinion, isn't a danger to Taijitu. Of course any treaty or other deal I negotiated would be presented to The Ecclesia for approval.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Funkadelia on December 18, 2014, 03:20:42 AM
I am not going to hide the fact that I am a defender, or that I am a Francoist. If I am elected delegate, I am telling you now that I would engage in an aggressive defender policy in my capacities as delegate, as limited as they may be by the construct of this government. I would be working exclusively with our defender friends and would seek closer relations with defender and non-GP regions.

What about our existing alliance with The North Pacific?

Is there any merit to the notion of also being a bridge between "Independent" regions and Defender regions?

I apologize if my response came out in a manner that could be interpreted as me denouncing The North Pacific. I do not plan on changing that, as the historical connections between our two regions transcend these sorts of political divides.

I am not sure about "bridging the divide." I think that has to be done on an individual basis with regions that we consider.

My own questions for the candidates:

What role do you think the Citizen-Delegate has in protecting and promoting Taijitu Worldbuilding? How would you meet it?

How do you envision functioning as the face of the Ecclesia, our government, when you will not always agree with the majority?

I reserve the right to ask more questions, later.

I don't think the Citizen-Delegate has any role in world building. In my opinion, that is more of a role of our community as a collective, especially since it is a core part of what makes up Taijitu.

I think part of working within the Taijitu political system is that sometimes the majority does not agree with you. I have been on both sides of that, and if my opinions do end up being that unpopular then I will have to accept that fact. There's not much else I can say on that topic. :P
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Funkadelia on December 18, 2014, 03:21:15 AM
Another question for the candidates. Independent regions sometimes that defender regions don't particularly approve of. What approach would you take in regards to maintaining diplomatic relations with independent regions?
Other than The North Pacific, I can't think of an example of this as it relates to Taijitu.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Khem on December 18, 2014, 04:03:39 AM
Would you as Delegate campaign for greater power for your office? In what areas would you like to see the Delegate take charge? Could you debate the merits of one of our established laws while not necessarily believing said laws are for the best?
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: McMasterdonia on December 18, 2014, 01:51:20 PM
What do you think of hats?

How would you separate the hats you use in other regions to the hats you use in Taijitu?

Do you prefer a normal tie or a bow tie?
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Funkadelia on December 18, 2014, 03:27:25 PM
Would you as Delegate campaign for greater power for your office? In what areas would you like to see the Delegate take charge? Could you debate the merits of one of our established laws while not necessarily believing said laws are for the best?
I only ask for more latitudes in a few areas. This includes relatively minor matters of course such as embassy openings.

I don't understand the third question. I don't see why I would be debating for a law that I oppose.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Funkadelia on December 18, 2014, 03:28:00 PM
What do you think of hats?

How would you separate the hats you use in other regions to the hats you use in Taijitu?

Do you prefer a normal tie or a bow tie?
Hats r dum

Bowties 4 lyf
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Kardex on December 18, 2014, 06:00:46 PM
Would you as Delegate campaign for greater power for your office? In what areas would you like to see the Delegate take charge? Could you debate the merits of one of our established laws while not necessarily believing said laws are for the best?

I would make sure that anything I did is approved by the Ecclesia and the wish of the majority of voters. I believe the delegate should deal with other world leaders and propose necessary legislation to be voted on by the people. I'm a reformist and if I believe a law is not for the best I will be outspoken about repealing or repairing it.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: The Church of Satan on December 18, 2014, 07:53:04 PM
Another question for the candidates.

As citizen-delegate, what would be your official opinion with regards to FRA membership? After all, most regions are drawn into the FRA-UIAF conflict whether they like it or not.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Kardex on December 18, 2014, 08:53:54 PM
What do you think of hats?

How would you separate the hats you use in other regions to the hats you use in Taijitu?

Do you prefer a normal tie or a bow tie?

Normal tie for official events, bow tie for parties. I live in the north, if you don't wear a nice knit hat you lose your ears so I'm pro-hat.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: McMasterdonia on December 20, 2014, 09:21:19 AM
Okay the second hat question was a serious one.

How do you intend to separate your positions/responsibilities to your position/responsibilities in Taijitu? How will you manage the wearing of the "Different" hats. It is obvious that not all regions each of you have interests that are aligned with Taijitu.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Khem on December 20, 2014, 04:42:08 PM
Why should Citizens vote into power those who have the will to power? Do you see the Delegacy as fun? Would you be merely be putting another feather in your hat? Why should I vote for you?
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Funkadelia on December 20, 2014, 05:30:00 PM
Okay the second hat question was a serious one.

How do you intend to separate your positions/responsibilities to your position/responsibilities in Taijitu? How will you manage the wearing of the "Different" hats. It is obvious that not all regions each of you have interests that are aligned with Taijitu.
I never really liked the concept of "hats." Maybe it was just the concept of switching hats or whatever. Either way, I never let any of my roles interfere with one another. Typically, I don't even mention them in the other regions, because there is no reason to. For the record, I am the General of the Lazarene Liberation Army and a diplomatic attaché in The Pacific. I don't see any reason why those two should conflict with the delegate's office, outside of the fact that I will occasionally have to act as The Pacific's ambassador to Taijitu.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Funkadelia on December 20, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
Why should Citizens vote into power those who have the will to power? Do you see the Delegacy as fun? Would you be merely be putting another feather in your hat? Why should I vote for you?
I'm not sure I understand the first question. I thought the entire point of electing a delegate was electing people into power who have the will to do it. If they didn't have the will, they wouldn't run.

I do see the delegacy as fun. I really enjoy the opportunities that I've had to lead Taijitu in the past, and I take any delegacy I've ever held with the utmost attention and respect, as the office deserves.

I am not the type of person to desire "feathers." I generally have a very low opinion of people who do that. I am very regionalist, and I think that people who do that do not deserve to be in power. I will never do that for any office I ever hold.

You should vote for me because I have the desire and the experience. I have served as the delegate of Taijitu previously, serving two or three terms. I have also been delegate of Lazarus, a considerably large region. I know how to properly be the delegate of a region, and I think that Taijitu will benefit from someone with a lot of experience. I believe Taijitu is at a critical point in its redevelopment where now that Taijitu is a very large and active region, it needs someone to project its image to the rest of the world. I will do that for Taijitu, and we will become a well known and respected region once again.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Delfos on December 20, 2014, 10:05:18 PM
I would like to nominate Gulliver the debate moderator.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Kardex on December 20, 2014, 11:03:46 PM
Okay the second hat question was a serious one.

How do you intend to separate your positions/responsibilities to your position/responsibilities in Taijitu? How will you manage the wearing of the "Different" hats. It is obvious that not all regions each of you have interests that are aligned with Taijitu.

I only have one nation in one region and it is this one in Taijitu so my undivided attention would be given to this one job.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Kardex on December 20, 2014, 11:10:30 PM
Why should Citizens vote into power those who have the will to power? Do you see the Delegacy as fun? Would you be merely be putting another feather in your hat? Why should I vote for you?

You should vote for those who have the will to power because they want the job and will execute the office more faithfully. The delegacy would be fun but at the same time it isn't about having fun its about helping Taijitu. I wouldn't just be adding another feather I would be dedicated to bettering our region and all the nations inside of it. You should vote for me because I'm open to change and even giving up power if the people of Taijitu will it. I will always listen to the constituency and have their best interest in my mind.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Kardex on December 21, 2014, 07:57:12 PM
Why isn't the election up yet?
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Khem on December 22, 2014, 01:54:12 AM
Voted for Kardex.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: McMasterdonia on December 22, 2014, 02:06:58 PM
why do you hate white ppl
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Allama on December 23, 2014, 02:58:55 PM
Better late than never, I suppose! Here are some answers:

I have a question that I request each candidate answer.

As the Glorious Revolution steams through its third month, Taijitu has shot to over 300 nations. Our RP is both more active and of greater quality, and our social community is thriving and growing. We have one of the largest defender armies in NationStates, are talked about globally on a scale not seen since 2008, and command increasing respect abroad. But one area where the Revolution has been lacking is foreign affairs. We opened an embassy with our revolutionary friends in Lazarus, and are in talks with Equilism and Kvatch, but that's really about it.

As delegate, how will you expand our relations with regions and organizations, and what foreign policies will you pursue? Will you be more of a treaty-signer, or a speak-softly-and-carry-a-big-stick type?

The treaty signing approach is more my style. I see the currently-running World Fair as a great opportunity to log face time with people from all sorts of regions, get our proverbial foot in the door for potential future relations. Though this term was slow-going, if re-elected I want to push for opening more embassies and will research interregional organizations to see if there are any worth joining or at least chatting up.


I have a question for all of the candidates as well.

As I'm sure you're aware, diplomacy is tricky. Some regions/organizations would rather ally with a region such as ours simply because they are more powerful than us and they could use that power to leverage us, strong arm us if you will. If you were to identify such regions, how would you handle the situation? Do you feel such alliances are worth the shame of being persuaded by a foreign power because they might offer some form of reassurance or do you feel we are better off without such an oppressive, constricting obligation?

Taijitu would absolutely not take any shit from larger regions on my watch, nor I expect on that of any candidate. We're not a region of doormats. While I would always strive for polite diplomacy, maintaining cordial relations is not worth selling out our principles. Should someone try to give us a hard time, we'll push right the fuck back.

And for the record, I wouldn't avoid allying with powerful regions out of fear that they may strong arm us UNLESS they have a history of doing so to other regions. If someone has proven a bully in the past, we're better off without them.


What do you think of hats?

How would you separate the hats you use in other regions to the hats you use in Taijitu?

Do you prefer a normal tie or a bow tie?

I very much fancy a good hat.
(click to show/hide)

Bow ties are cool.

Okay the second hat question was a serious one.

How do you intend to separate your positions/responsibilities to your position/responsibilities in Taijitu? How will you manage the wearing of the "Different" hats. It is obvious that not all regions each of you have interests that are aligned with Taijitu.

This is not a concern with me; I maintain neither citizenship nor residency in any other region. All accounts I have created on other regions’ forums over the years have been for Taijitu-related diplomacy.  :tai:


My question for the candidates is, are you going to take joy in being the face of Taijitu with limited influence over the body which you face for?

Absolutely! I love Taijitu and I’m happy as hell to be a part of it, whether or not I have influence and power.


My own questions for the candidates:

What role do you think the Citizen-Delegate has in protecting and promoting Taijitu Worldbuilding? How would you meet it?

How do you envision functioning as the face of the Ecclesia, our government, when you will not always agree with the majority?

The Citizen-Delegate should at least try to participate in all aspects of what makes our region so much fun both to acquire firsthand knowledge of our citizens’ experiences and to build community... and that certainly includes Worldbuilding. I’ve been admittedly lax with my writing as of late so what I’d do is set a personal weekly writing quota. That way I’d be sure to post at least a couple times a week.

As to the second question: easily. I’ll debate like crazy if I really believe in something but if I don’t get my way in the end, it doesn’t much bother me. Taijitu isn’t the type of region I imagine would pass laws I find truly reprehensible as no proposal yet has troubled me.


Another question for the candidates. Independent regions sometimes do things that defender regions don't particularly approve of. What approach would you take in regards to maintaining diplomatic relations with independent regions?

Each situation would have to be taken individually. Mostly I would try to avoid conflict where possible, but if an independent region with whom we have diplomatic ties does something overtly asshole-ish like raid and grief RP regions, we’d have to issue some sort of statement. For particularly egregious actions (like taking part in a Nazi raid (http://forum.taijitu.org/legislative-and-treaty-votes/december-2014-deployment-statement)), I’d reluctantly support cutting ties and moving against them militarily.


Would you as Delegate campaign for greater power for your office? In what areas would you like to see the Delegate take charge? Could you debate the merits of one of our established laws while not necessarily believing said laws are for the best?

I would campaign for the ability to appoint multiple diplomats. For example, currently OT is operating as Citizen-Diplomat but I have also wanted to send Myroria out in such a capacity. Otherwise, I cannot think of more power the Citizen-Delegate would actually need.

Playing devil’s advocate for a law I don’t personally favor is an easy enough endeavor, though I’m having trouble coming up with a hypothetical situation in which it would behoove me to do so.


Another question for the candidates.

As citizen-delegate, what would be your official opinion with regards to FRA membership? After all, most regions are drawn into the FRA-UIAF conflict whether they like it or not.

This is a question I will have to research as I know almost nothing about either organization. In fact, I could only tell you what one of the two acronyms stands for. My greatest weakness as Citizen-Delegate is my lack of GP knowledge/experience. I may have been in Taijitu for years but that’s one part of NS I never really got into.


Why should Citizens vote into power those who have the will to power? Do you see the Delegacy as fun? Would you be merely be putting another feather in your hat? Why should I vote for you?

The truth is… I’m not really that interested in seeking power. People just keep nominating me for things. I do see the Delegacy as fun, as a great reason to meet people from other regions and form social ties, to help build our regional community.

As to the final question, you should not vote for me; vote for Funkadelia. He’s knowledgeable and awesome.


why do you hate white ppl

Because we're jerks.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Eluvatar on December 24, 2014, 07:42:01 PM
As citizen-delegate, what would be your official opinion with regards to FRA membership? After all, most regions are drawn into the FRA-UIAF conflict whether they like it or not.

This is a question I will have to research as I know almost nothing about either organization. In fact, I could only tell you what one of the two acronyms stands for. My greatest weakness as Citizen-Delegate is my lack of GP knowledge/experience. I may have been in Taijitu for years but that’s one part of NS I never really got into.

The FRA is the Founderless Regions Alliance, founded shortly before Taijitu as an alliance of then-founderless North Pacific (not to be confused with The North Pacific), Jethnea, and Global Right Alliance. It morphed over time from an alliance for defense of member regions, many of which might be founderless, into a defender organization. Today, founderless regions (besides Game-created ones) are generally discouraged from joining FRA as I understand matters. The FRA Rangers, Rejected Realms Army, Lazarene Liberation Army, and Global Right Alliance Defence Force are among the defender armies affiliated with the FRA.

The UIAF is the United Imperial Armed Forces of The Land of Kings and Emperors, The New Inquisition and Albion: they have a treaty of mutual cooperation with The Black Riders, but do not consider themselves to be raiders: instead they see themselves as imperialist. They have a long standing feud with the FRA, and more recently with the UDL as well. In February 2012 The New Inquisition copied our old maneuver by, after invading belgium and gathering assorted raiderish friends to support them there, ejecting the entire pile of invaders and seizing the Rejected Realms' delegacy for 12 hours. (In this they had the support of the LKE, but neither the UIAF as a formal entity nor Albion as a region existed yet). More recently UIAF figures have expressed hostility to the government of Lazarus, which they view as illegitimate following the expulsion of NES and Griffin (TNI's founder) from Lazarus. Europeia is allied with the regions in question, but is not part of the UIAF, perhaps because it does not consider itself Imperialist.

In the recent operation in Anne Frank, we had both the FRA and the ERN and UIAF working with us, the NPA and  EPSA effectively serving as glue between the two sides. The mutual suspicion between the UIAF and many defenders made this somewhat challenging to organize.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Dyr Nasad on December 24, 2014, 08:35:17 PM
The FRA summary is pretty good - one part to change is that founderless regions aren't discouraged from applying, but there just aren't very many founderless candidates for membership.

In addition to hating the FRA and UDL, UIAF doesn't get along with TITO either - which covers the vast majority of defender forces in the game.

And on the last note - plenty of defenders would like to see more ERN/UIAF defending activity. They just choose not to do so.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: The Church of Satan on December 24, 2014, 11:36:17 PM
Actually Dyr, I think it would be accurate to say that regions are generally discouraged from joining. Especially due to the fact that their region might be made example of (e.g. the UIAF's occupation of Slavia.) Many regions fear the risk that comes with FRA membership.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Eluvatar on December 25, 2014, 06:07:46 AM
I should note that in posted justifications of the aforementioned invasion of belgium (http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=161927) and a more recent invasion of Canada (http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=21190303#p21190303), TNI/LKE/UIAF has made clear that they see alliance with defenders in general or even friendship with them as reasonable grounds for an incursion on their part.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Funkadelia on December 25, 2014, 06:10:46 AM
An incursion on what? I didn't fully understand that.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Eluvatar on December 25, 2014, 06:13:04 AM
An incursion on what? I didn't fully understand that.
An invasion of the region by UIAF.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Funkadelia on December 25, 2014, 06:17:14 AM
Wow, I didn't hear of this. That's ludicrous.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Bustos on December 25, 2014, 07:52:18 AM
you didnt?!   all the more reason to stand by my vote!   :-P
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: Funkadelia on December 25, 2014, 02:51:51 PM
you didnt?!   all the more reason to stand by my vote!   :-P
You didn't either.
Title: Re: December 2014 Citizen-Delegate Debate
Post by: McMasterdonia on December 26, 2014, 10:28:03 AM
omg NO U