Forum restriction - Govindia

[Myroria]

"Suit has been brought, the wheels are in motion"

Isn't that what Jerry Seinfeld said to Babu Bat before he got deported?

[Meridianland]

  @ Myro



Isn't the point of the trial to investigate things from the standpoint of Gov's status re:  guilt or innocence?

Isn't that seperate from the questions I raised about Limi?

...If it's found Gov is innocent, his threat wasn't critical in its immediacy, or he was about to turn this forum into a wasteland, the questions about the legitimacy of Limi's authority and whim in this community remain. Gov's intention and Limi's fist in the pie are 2 different issues, no?

[Gulliver]

This trial that G-C mentioned is indeed for the purpose of ascertaining Govindia's guilt or innocence. The issue of Limi's authority is as you say another matter that would have to be addressed separately.

Limi aside, Flemingovia certainly has the authority to do this though as Delegate, and the restrictions only remained in effect with Flem's approval.

[Meridianland]

At this point I think the only question about Flem's legality could be about the nature of the information he used to perpetuate the restriction...  but there isn't a law about the delegate using good information  - so from a narrow perspective, that specifically doesn't matter.

What are the options for adressing or investigating the serious issues that have been raised about Limi?

[Flemingovia]

First off, some of the comments above are the reasons why those banned or restricted have the right to judicial review. Govindia has the right to have actions taken against him reviewed by the courts. If he does so, and the courts decide that I have acted inappropriately, then I will happily apologise to Gov.

On the subject of Limitless Event's actions, one of the reasons we have Admins is to act, if necessary, in an expedient manner to protect our community here. When Limi banned gov, he IMMEDIATELY made contact with me, requesting I review his actions. It was not Limi's place to make public statements, or take any other actions. Once I was online, and reviewed his action, a public statement was made.

As far as I am concerned, Limi acted completely properly in this regard. The authority for the banning is mine, and I for one sleep happier knowing that our admins are keeping an eye on our security, and are prepared to act if necessary, but also to submit their actions to review by elected representatives and the courts.

[Of Crazed]

My main problem is that while the statement said his forum access was restricted because he was a regional threat.  No one has said why gov is a regional threat.

I don't think it is asking a lot to give a general statement on why gov is a regional threat.  Im not asking for all the information in the world, I am just asking for enough to be an informed citizen.

[Eluvatar]

Myroria, out of curiosity, why are you calling the restriction effectively a banning?

[Zimmerwald]

I believe he said that, Elu.

And Gov, if he wishes, can file a civil suit against Limi, which would be a seperate case from Taijitu v. Govindia.

[Eluvatar]

My question was why is he saying that.

[Meridianland]

As far as I am concerned, Limi acted completely properly in this regard.

Your response veered away from the spirit of the questions about the nature of Limi's involvement in this community. 

Because Limi holds no governmental position, not in the cabinet or any elected position at all:

Where does Limi's authority in this regional community come from***
and
Who decides when all community protocol and procedure (and I should add community standards) defer to Limi's whim?



***He's allowed to ban on the forum without having to face formal questioning, his word about intel is taken as gospel, and he holds the keys to banning and kicking in the #taijitu irc channel

[Osamafune]

Since nobody has actually answered my question on how someone can be a threat, I assume that what is meant by that is someone who would hax teh s3rv3r and/or crash the forum as I think someone alluded to before in this topic.

So my next question is, how is restricting forum access going to prevent something like that from happening? I don't think he's literally banned from the forum so what good is it going to do? If this is what he intended on doing, wouldn't he have already done it by now? This is only speculation of course since someone won't tell anyone, including Gov himself apparently, what he was accused of and where the info came from!

[Eluvatar]

Osafune, what is it exactly that you want?

[Osamafune]

My questions answered.

In what ways can someone be a threat to regional security?
What exactly is Gov being accused of?
Why is Limi an admin?
What gives Limi, who is not a founder, senator, or minister, the right to restrict/ban people and generally... be an admin?

[Gulliver]

The first one is easy enough. They could be a spy or working for a government which has malicious intentions towards Taijitu.

[Eluvatar]

Limi is an admin on this forum because he foots half the bill for it.