Taijitu
Forum Meta => Executive Offices => May 2008 - Government of Taijitu => Government Archive => Archive => Office of the Delegate => Topic started by: Sovereign Dixie on March 23, 2008, 05:27:29 PM
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Today marks the beginning of a new day, and a new beginning for Taijitu. As the NS world seems to grow ever more violent and uncertain, Taijitu has grown ever more apathetic and lackluster. The senate accomplishes nothing, preferring to bicker rather than legislate. A feeder has fallen to an empire which would seek to do us harm. In fact, an attack by Gatesville may very well be imminent as we speak, though information is admittedly sketchy at the moment.
Taijitu needs a revamping, a new course and a new place on the world stage, and to be free of much of the dead weight holding her in the throws of mediocrity. Myself and other members of government, have come to the decision to make effective, starting immediately, the following.
The senate is disbanded and considered null and void.
The constitution is hereby revoked, pending rewrite.
Martial Law is enacted, and will be enforced quickly, and without hesitation.
Our region is going to be entering a transitional stage over the coming days. The new permanent members of government are as follows.
I shall assume the role of Delegate Indefinitely.
Pragmia is appointed High Justice of Taijitu and shall be the sole judicial authority.
PoD Gunner is appointed Praetor and shall be in command of Military Forces both at home, and abroad.
Other ministers may keep their positions, and should they do so, will be filling the same job functions as previously.
Basically, what this means in regards to every day life in Taijitu, isn't much. RP will continue ungoverned and unregulated. All aspects of the forum will pretty much continue as usual. The exceptions to this being the senate areas and that forum security will be heightened. The principles of free speech will remain intact, to a degree. Speak what you will but be mindful that harsh criticisms (normal critiques are fine, but no "hate speech")or threats to the gov't will be dealt with accordingly, and swiftly. We will be wanting as many as posible to get involved in various areas of the region.
Some changes will be made to Taijitu's foreign policy as well. Neutrality is hereby revoked. Invasions and/or raids, as well as "counter invasions", will take place at the discretion of the executive and military branches of government. A doctrine of pre-emptive strike may be adopted in order to deal with perceived and credible threats to our region, or our region's interests, anywhere in the world. The war against the Westwind regime will continue, and will do so, until TNP is under leadership which does not pose a threat.
In the coming days, a new constitution will be introduced. Democracy will continue to live in Taijitu, albeit not in its current form.
I realise that many of you will find these changes to be at the least, abrupt, and perhaps disagreeable. However, realise that said changes are felt to be in the best interests of Taijitu. It is understood that some may wish to leave, should you do so, know that there will be no reprisals or harassment. Instead of departures, I would like to see these changes bring about a greater awareness of our region, and the world at large, and spark renewed interest in our regions future.
The coming days may be chaotic, how chaotic is up to you all. Let Taijitu move forward into the future, and into history as the greatest of all regions.
Hail Taijitu!
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Taijitu prevails!
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ALL HAIL IP!
ALL HAIL FL!
ALL HAIL CATH!!
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Taijitu prevails!
OH YEAH!
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Hmm, rather odd some of the most inactive members are trying to spark activity.
*shrugs and goes back to being apathetic*
Also,
ALL HAIL IP!
ALL HAIL FL!
ALL HAIL CATH!!
LOL! Same ole, same ole I guess.
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To say that SD, Pragmia and myself are
some of the most inactive members
is not correct. In fact it is more than incorrect. And with what is to come, I will expect a beer for that misleading affirmation. (I would remind you that if you think that the delegate, the Head Justice and the head of the MoEA and the MoD are among the less active players in here, you should have impeached them a long while ago.)
This is an attempt to reshape Taijitu. Give it a chance before you dismiss it as mindless tyranny by some players who you say are not even players capable of anything, before you decide if you should become spiritless.
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To say that SD, Pragmia and myself are some of the most inactive members
is not correct. In fact it is more than incorrect. And with what is to come, I will expect a beer for that misleading affirmation. (I would remind you that if you think that the delegate, the Head Justice and the head of the MoEA and the MoD are among the less active players in here, you should have impeached them a long while ago.)
This is an attempt to reshape Taijitu. Give it a chance before you dismiss it as mindless tyranny by some players who you say are not even players capable of anything, before you decide if you should become spiritless.
Please don't twist my words. I never once said you were incapable. Let's look at history though. SD went inactive during one of his Delegate terms, rarely did anything as a Senator, and was missing for months. You have been known to disappear for weeks at a time suddenly.(I realize it's RL and unavoidable). Also, I wasn't even talking about Prag in that. Prag is the only consistently active one.
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1984?
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Kor, all of us have had to take time off. Missing on my responsibilities is not what i am known for in NS (I have been playing it for 4 years now)- i am not twisting your words, you are making affirmations that do not stand. If all you have to say to this is
Hmm, rather odd some of the most inactive members are trying to spark activity.
, I'll tell you that we haven't started this reshaping while planning to become inactive. You imply that considering our history, we are not capable of doing what we set out to do. We are all here now and will do our best to make Taijitu work better.
*plants a camera in Bara's room and shots a chip in his neck* get real Bara, no such thing.
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Ok, how do you get
Taijitu. Give it a chance before you dismiss it as mindless tyranny by some players who you say are not even players capable of anything
out of Hmm, rather odd some of the most inactive members are trying to spark activity.
. If that isn't twisting, then it's a rather large assumption on your part. In fact I do trust your decisions, just not this one.
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;D What am I to understand of it, then?
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That you all have a hard road ahead to prove yourselves. I hope you do prove me wrong.
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We will do our best, Sir. ;)
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There have in fact been times when i was inactive. ,Just like PoD, I've had RL bite me in the ass suddenly. As for my senate activity, I have spoken when I had something to say, to be honest, most of the senate debates I've had have been more frustrating than productive. So, I've tended to just keep my mouth shut. As Delegate, I often work quietly, very little of what we do actually get's posted on teh forums (I think you know that much for sure, Kor.
We're not going down the Cath/IP/FL Road, they, basically, just got tired of running a region, and said fuck it. Take a look at the Lex now, if you dont believe me. If, that is, it even still really exists, last I checked about 3 weeks ago, it had like, 20 some odd people in it. They sought change by basically kicking out the groups of people they didn't agree with. That's not what we're doing here. If that's what I wanted, I could have done that a long time ago.
Some of the changes will be more like this one, and sudden, and somewhat dramatic. Though I don't expect they'll meet all that bad of a reception. Just saying, that some things will be more noticeable, while some will be subtle. The first major point is the constitution. Which, as I said, will be coming in the next few days.
Other changes are going to be using the frameworks we have already in place, such as the military. We will be placing much more emphasis on that aspect of things, especially in the areas of expanding our numbers.
For the players who spend most of their time posting in the OOC areas, you really wont notice much difference. As far as bannings go, I'm not planning on having any, though If we have another Govindia type situation, you can bet your ass it wont take 3 months before we're rid of the idiot.
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I can understand that this is being done to save the region, but really. Disbanding the senate means taking away the voice of the people and the the dissolution of the constitution means taking away their rights. I think you mean good, SD, that is why I have supported you, but the loss of the senate will....be disastorious. I think you should have purged the senate of those who were doing more harm then good. I advocated for an internal police force to get rid of corruption in the senate and in other branches of the government. But I was shot down, because the MoIA could do it instead of a police force. Now we have senators with no jobs and a constitution that has been burned. You mean good, but many people may think that we are switching one oligarchy for another. But, I will wait to fully put my decision about this new idea until this new constitution is written because it may be better then what we think.
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Anyone still remembering why Taijitu was created?
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Apparently it's not oppression when it's our overlords
I MEAN OUR VERY GOOD FRIENDS
oppressing
I MEAN TREATING US VERY, VERY WELL.
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Anyone still remembering why Taijitu was created?
No need to remember. Let all forget, and together we can make Taijitu a more indifferent place.
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As a fairly new player and just joining the army a few months ago I am up for anything.
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Sorry about your application, maha. There will be another chance, promise. ;)
Instead of going indifferent, you should start getting your act together.
This region has become numb and we have all grown huge fat arses, well, we're trying to shake it up a bit. This is nothing like the Lex, nobody has been treated badly. This government will actually try to do something. If all you are willing to do is stay around and do nothing, then yes: this will be useless. We can't even have an argument anymore.
Nath, Taijitu was created by a group of players who were not allowed to expand and play their game. In every evolution there are linear periods and explosive ones. This game needs a push, we're willing to give it. If you don't wanna play the game no more, that's too bad. Taijitu as a NationStates region will have really died at that moment. Taijitu the community of friends will go on. Now get of your asses and at least burn a store and break some windows.
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HAHAHA!
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I laughed so hard when I saw this!
Seriously, you criticize L&C/Westwind's regime but then you do exactly the same as he did in Equilism! It's identical, the Equilism forums are being annoying at the moment so I can't login but the topic is here (http://www.equilism.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=5937). They did exactly the same thing, three of them took control of the founder, region, instituted a dictatorship.
But honestly I can't say I'm surprised, more amused that another coup has happened. I would complain, but then what would that do?
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So the point is to unite everyone in hatred against this overhaul? I'm always up for a good riot.
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@ Durnia: no Matt, we are not doing the same. You will have to wait a bit though in order to see you are wrong. Is nice to see you back here though, once in a while. Who knows, maybe you could do an interview or recuse yourself from a few trials? :P
@ Eientei: the way this is perceived and acted upon is everybody's choice. Perhaps you can try being up for anything else productive, other than a good riot.
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I agree with the stated reason behind this, namely to reverse the apathy. I don't agree with the actual actions. For now, I'll see what develops, but I reserve the right to gripe, make smart remarks, and break windows.
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Why are we just supposed to let you? I believe Taijitu was established as a polar opposite to The Lexicon, and I believe democracy is defined as:
(countable, government) A government under the direct or representative rule of the people of its jurisdiction.
If you're just here saying that you're disbanding our representation (Not to mention you'll soon go away in about...three weeks' time, all of you), how can you turn around and say democracy will come back? When I said the Senate was inefficient, I never meant for anyone to fucking get rid of it. I have trouble following a leader who goes away for weeks at a time.
So, are we a bunch of medieval peasants who just let whatever happen, or are we modern human beings? Convince me not to just refute your "new government".
You know, for all the insanity IP, Cath, and FL came up with, I'm starting to believe one thing they said was right:
This place is about people. Not numbers.
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Very well, Roman, I expected no less. ;)
Myro, you're contradicting yourself a bit. The comparisons with Lex might be funny and dramatic, but they are worthless. We will aim at convincing you through reforms. As for the idea you picked up from Kor, we will not vanish in three weeks, but exactly upon committing to not do that, have we acted.
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My unhappiness goes beyond just the Senate application at this point. Just easier to sum it all up with this --> ):
Especially since you all don't seem to give a damn for feedback.
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As much as this development is interesting, I can't help but wonder if/when some form of democratic process will be reintroduced.
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Oh but we do, maha. I have replied to every post in this thread and will continue to do so. Feed-back will be critical once the new structure is in place.
@Allama: i cannot answer that with precision. It's up to the region also. Our ideas will be presented very soon, within the next few days.
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Man, this "new structure" sounds ominous. But I'll have to wait until you draw up your plans to pass judgment.
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:D Thanks, E-man.
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what does SD mean by Martial Law?
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Though I reserve the right to change my mind after seeing the new Constitution and all that, for now I will happily retain my position and continue working for Taijitu in whatever way I can. \o/
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Convince me through reforms? These are not reforms. This is a coup. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet, and a coup by any other name would smell as fishy. I doubt severely there will be any sort of democracy here.
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Doubt is the beginning not the end of wisdom, but Romeo is dead and we are alive. Myro, you haven't seen nothing yet. Yes, this is a coup, but one that will aim to improve what we have here in terms of regional government. Smelling fish (and quoting Shakespeare) could mean you're in Denmark, I hope you have your passport with you.
Bara, I guess SD means that under Martial Law the executive will take whatever measures necessary to protect the region and will not have to go through the regular channels to enforce that decision. SD made a reference to that in one of his posts in this thread. It also means that we will act without hesitation to maintain order.
*bows at Allama* You are wise, milady and I for one am very grateful for all you did and will continue to do for this region.
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It was Juliet, not Romeo, and you're misstepping the question and using a fallacy (You say something and insist you're not lying, so you must be telling the truth).
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That is precisely what I meant.
Myro, I don't know what you're on about. You're all like "help help, I'm bein' repressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!" And no one has been banned, not even after basically telling us to go to hell. You compare us with Cath/IP/FL.. would they have done that? Hell, The reason why we WERE so mad at IP was because he had already banned a shitload of people, mostly for disagreeing with him. There has been, nor will there be, any of that here. So sheesh, chill out already dude.
Yeah, it's a coup, yeah, I'm basically teh dictat0rz, but that does not mean this has to, or is going to be, brutal, oppressive, or evil in it's nature. I'm not here to run the region into the fuckin' ground, and I'm not here to make everyone my bitch. We're just going about this in an... unorthodox manner, introducing a more streamlined, smaller, and hopefully more effecient governmental structure.
There will be democracy. The rough planning is complete on that, there will be a legislative body, comprised of the citizens. There will be no membership requirement, no grilling or application process, our aim is to introduce a type of direct democracy. This will be counterbalanced by a smaller, more powerful executive branch. In this way, indecisiveness and gridlock will no longer be issues.
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You mean you haven't made proper plans already?
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Who doesn't love the odd coup? :-P I think the most important thing to remember is this; you voted Dixie in so your representative is still in charge. Yes he was expected to relinquish that role after a certain time (can't remember how long - my delegacy didn't last that long :P) and he has expressed that he might not do so. But he still might.
I know my say will mean jack shit for a lot of you but I don't really see why you're so annoyed at all this. You're complaining about the result before the game has been played. Some people in the region do love to bitch and moan but just remember - when it comes down to it, this is a game.
If you're going to complain, at least wait till you're sure about what it is you've taken it upon yourself to argue against...
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I have a story to tell you all....
A while back I created the Conservative Party of Taijitu. At the time I could already see the region descending into a slothful existence. I, however, was still an idealist in the sense that I believed in Taijitu's system. I believed that through the system the CPT could bring reform, could strengthen the region from within.
I called for the Delegate to receive a veto over the Senate.
I called for Senators to be barred from holding Supreme Court and Cabinet positions.
I called for the breakup and redistribution (ie BALANCE) of the Senate's power.
SD signed on, as did Myroria. Sadly the dream died. The Senate's leaders realized they held all the real power; and no group of leaders gives up power voluntarily. The Conservative Party was a failure. Even if its candidates were elected to power, any of its proposed changes would need the approval of the Senate, which just wasn't going to happen.
So I became disillusioned. The system of the region I loved was destroying itself from within, the Senate, under the control of people more interested in pointless general discussion then RP, unwilling to abandon it's death grip on the region. So I left, as did SD. I left because at that point I didn't want to overthrow the system. I loved Taijitu too much.
On that note, I've been here since Day 1. I was one of the original refugees who was expelled from the Lexicon. So please, spare me the "you betrayed Taijitu!"
I joined this movement because I love Taijitu. Well as much as anyone can love a NS region.
You see, a while after I left, SD offered me a possibility. It seemed PoD had finally had enough of the every growing apathy that had polluted the region. He asked SD to come back and help lead a movement to revive the region.
SD came to me and asked if I wanted in. I was hesitant. After all, wasn't a coup, an illegal seizure of power, the course of action the Lexicon tyrants chose? Wasn't what SD was proposing a violation of Taijitu's very existence?
I came back after months away, only to see things had gotten worse. The Senate would still not accept reforms of well-minded Senators, isolated in a sea of mediocrity and sloth. So I got back to SD and signed on. I didn't do so without careful thought. Like I said above, I did it because I love this region.
The region was sick. And the apathy and sloth that had gripped the Senate wouldn't let the region take the medicine it needed to get better. We had to force the region to take its medicine.
After all that has happened, I still wish the Conservative Party would have worked. I still wish we could have brought about meaningful change without having to seize complete power.
Reform, however, was impossible. We did what we did because we had to. We were left with no other choice. We saw the region we loved dying, and we did what we had to do in order to save it.
To those upset with our actions; I understand fully where you are coming from. Don't aim your anger at us though, we're doing what's best for the region.
Aim your anger at those who introduced apathy to the region. Aim your anger at those who allowed what should have been a two week trial take three months. Aim your anger at those who treated elections as jokes and who abused the Senate's power. Aim your anger at those who forced us to take this course of action.
We need to face the reality of the situation people. Our region was falling into a pit of apathy, sloth, and mediocrity. As the NS world became more and more hostile we clung to outdated notions of neutrality. Our enemies were conspiring against us, and we couldn't even get our own house in order because of an apathetic Senatorial oligarchy, because of those who abused the good nature of the liberal democracy.
This is the jump start we promised this region. This is the course of action we promoted.
This marks both the greatest and the saddest day in Taijitu's history. And I would do the same thing again and again if given the choice. Why? Because I love Taijitu.
Thank you :tai:
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Well, aren't we all just saints brought down down from heaven. Thank goodness for you all. You are so great and we are mere peasants who couldn't possibly know what is good for ourselves. Thank you so much oh great holy ones! /sarcasm
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:clap: @ kor
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Well, aren't we all just saints brought down down from heaven. Thank goodness for you all. You are so great and we are mere peasants who couldn't possibly know what is good for ourselves. Thank you so much oh great holy ones! /sarcasm
It's not as if we suddenly said "OMG, U NO WAT WOULD BE TEH ROKEZZZ?!?!?!? WE SHOULD MAEK A COUP!!!!!11111oneoneeleven"
We only did this because, to be frank, you didn't know what was good for the region. The Senate was killing the region and unwilling to change. So we forced the change. When you come up against stubborn mediocrity you can either quit or shove it aside. We opted to shove.
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First of all, please don't speak in l33t it makes you look like a 13 year old idiot. Secondly, I didn't know what was good for the region?! You obviously lack knowledge of who I am! I was one of the only active members in the Executive during my first terms as MoEA! I tried to get this region active and expanded into the greater parts of NS! So how dare you talk like you know what's best for the region when you don't even know about a key member! This proves how little knowledge you have of the region! And you claim to have the best interests in mind! How dare you!
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First of all, please don't speak in l33t it makes you look like a 13 year old idiot. Secondly, I didn't know what was good for the region?! You obviously lack knowledge of who I am! I was one of the only active members in the Executive during my first terms as MoEA! I tried to get this region active and expanded into the greater parts of NS! So how dare you talk like you know what's best for the region when you don't even know about a key member! This proves how little knowledge you have of the region! And you claim to have the best interests in mind! How dare you!
You obviously missed the sarcasm with the l33t speak, but hey, we can't get them all, can we?
Any, as for your role in the region? Yes, better then most. And it's a shame you opted to contribute to the apathy of the Senate. Truly a paradox. And just because we aren't standing in the Senate abusing the good nature of the liberal democracy doesn't mean we aren't active. We have been. Very much so, each in our own ways. We've each contributed to this region, we each built it in our own way so you could have a place to come and play the game. And what did you do? You abused it. How dare you.
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What I think is really cute is that there was new blood trickling into the senate who may have been able to cause change and every time I express dismay that it was dismantled I get patted on the head like a pet dog and told not to worry my pretty little head. Way to go, guys. If it is re-established, I'm not sure I'll be interested the second time around.
That's all I really have to say about the senate, I guess. I was also really impressed with the constitution in place. It will be interesting to see what sort of mockup is put in its place.
Hail the new overlords.
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I abused it?! And where were you? Oh yeah inactive as always. And it's kinda hard to stay active when 3 people do all the work and even the Delegate does jack shit. So don't you act so self righteous. Apathy of the Senate ? What about apathy of the Executive. Even Dixie is guilty of that. I remember in his last term, he did very little and when the going got rough, he quit. Don't get me wrong, I like Dix a lot, but even those leading this coup were among the apathetic. So don't you try to push all the blame on the Senate.
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Ok guys, let's calm down and be a bit more civil, shall we?
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Everyone Shut the Fuck up and stop being thin biological clock bitches about it so that some progress can be done about this mess.
This whole Martial Law and Risk of Invasion is a load of Bullshit but in order for Taijitu to get back on its feet I believe that. All the spies, I'm not sure since I haven't been the MoRS in awhile but it is possible. As opposed to Armies that invade regions, Spies attack the forum as well. You're only part of your community, I've been in forums where spies have hit and where I was a spy and hit. Some reasons for Region Downfall is because of spies who ruined them. I've destroyed who Forums with their Archives. Imagine all the conversations, blogs, games, RPs gone! Vanished! That's why you need to be afraid of spies. They will destroy you faster than inactivity.
Now, now, I know I'm among the Apathetic and among all those who are Apathetic I do have good reason to have my apathy. For one I've been on NS for more than three-four years, two I've taken so many Map applications I'll scream, and three I was the one who brought RP to Lexicon and then to Taijitu in the first place. I really do like taijitu, a year ago I remember we were counting how many people were coming into the region at once. However in my experience I knew a day like this would come, the Apathy Years! The years when all activity seems to be sucked out, for some it's the lack of energy, for some the lack of interest (like me), and for some the lack of time. Now as a founder, someone who helped come up with the name you call this region, and the writer of the Founder's Original Charter... I would like to remind everyone what principles this region is built on. For one I will recite the Charter
"We the exiles of the Lexicon, hereby form Taijitu, as the founders we are all responsible to the unbiased ways unlike our former region. We will create a Utopia of friendship and prosperity. We are all united as one to form the best region we can hope to create, form a union that’s forever, and to look to the future. Taijitu Prosper"
We the Exiles of Lexicon, hereby form Taijitu
Out of nothing the names who signed that charter were all in a chat room deciding what we would do at a time of crisis. Our only option was a new Forum, we had absolutely no power whatsoever.
as the founders we are all responsible to the unbiased ways unlike our former region
As the founders we would not interfere, but as you can see... the delegate is one of those, but did you not vote him there? But since he disbanded the senate I would like to say that he has not disbanded any hope of you giving your opinion. If that happened we wouldn't even have this discussion. All of you that opposed would be kicked out on the spot, that's what happened at the Lexicon, don't you forget it. I was kicked because I spoke out against IP. SD and IS are not Cathy and IP. I would know. I've worked for both of them and I have to say they're nothing alike, IP never even considered opinions of those in equal power to him, SD is willing to hear everyone's opinions and answer them here. Don't think that this coup is so much wrong but meant to correct a Senate that has hindered progress.
We will create Utopia of friendship and prosperity
Our main goal wasn't government, I know my main goal was this, to make a community of friends (and even enemies) where you could chat, RP, etc. A place where you could escape School, work, and duties so that you had the opportunity to socialize with all kinds of people even if they are annoying.
We are all united as one to form the best region we can hope to create
I've known SD Longer than most here, I know he and IS would never waste their time on something like this only to destroy it, they will work hard and they're not power hungry. What they want is Taijitu to be prosperous again.
form a union that’s forever, and to look to the future. Taijitu Prosper
As you see it written, To make it last as long as possible.
You may not like that you lost your precious Senator position but lately all the Senate has been doing is hindering powers instead of letting them do their jobs. How can anyone function if the Senate's limiting their jobs and making them go under every single regulation that would help "protect" everyone's feelings. Let the Delegate do his Job, let his VD do his Job, let his whole cabinet do their jobs. You all need it if you like it or not. Only whine and bitch about it if the Martial Law should be lifted and you can't democratically vote for your Delegate. Let this be a coup of Government Structure rather than people's powers and you will be prosperous. Taijitu Prosper. Remember who you are.
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From the disorganized desk of Darrick Lexus
Dear Nations of Taijitu,
I have received intelligence from the Voice of the People(like the Speaker for the Senate) that the citizens are not happy with the recent changes in the regional government. I, as the Minister of Cretia and the Vice Chancellor to Rozarria, will only advocate the citizen's concerns, because if I take any actions against the regional government, my country as I know it will crumble at the feet of Sovereign Dixie. The questions and concerns are as follows:
- Will the region go back to the way it was before the ordeal?
- If not, what will the changes be?
- How long until this is over with?
- If we do lose what will be some of the repercussions?
I would like these questions answered before or by my speech to the citizens on live television. I would like who ever answered these questions to send the letter to:
Darrick Lexus
Vice Chancellor to Rozarria
Minister of Cretia
Rozarrian Government Offices
854 Theocracy Terrance W.
Regulus, Cretia, Rozarria
Sincerely,
Darrick Lexus
Darrick Lexus
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If there's anything this game has taught me, it's that losing your community over a forum coup isn't worth it. You may hate what they've done, but you have to admit that it wakes people up. It makes people play this game. And remember that - this is all just a game we're playing, and this government isn't what's important. The community is what's important; the community is what needs to survive above all else. And it can, if you want it to. Will you fight over this? Sure. But even if you hate each other as politicians, there's no reason to hate each other as old friends and players.
Seriously, you criticize L&C/Westwind's regime but then you do exactly the same as he did in Equilism! It's identical, the Equilism forums are being annoying at the moment so I can't login but the topic is here (http://www.equilism.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=5937). They did exactly the same thing, three of them took control of the founder, region, instituted a dictatorship.
Sorry, Durnia, but you've got the wrong event. The parallel is to Westwind's coup in Oct. 2006, when he revealed that he'd been holding the Founder nation for the last year or more and established Imperial Equilism based on that authority. Others formed a Government in Exile under the old Constitution. But the community survived and made up - and then we wrote in a clause in the new Constitution explicitly to allow West, Chauce, and Neo to do what they did in the thread you linked - take action to save the region, without throwing out the Constitution. Emergency Powers - they're a great thing.
Equilism hasn't been under a dictatorship since '06. Although the emergency government had broad powers, its first act was to form a democratic representative body for the duration of the state of emergency. We're back under Constitutional government and have been for several weeks, now, because government under the state of emergency had accomplished all it could.
Sorry for the soap box and the annoying insertion of a lecture on Equilism, it's none of my business. Just wishing the best for the region. I'm out.
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Everyone Shut the Fuck up and stop being thin biological clock bitches about it so that some progress can be done about this mess.
This whole Martial Law and Risk of Invasion is a load of Bullshit but in order for Taijitu to get back on its feet I believe that. All the spies, I'm not sure since I haven't been the MoRS in awhile but it is possible. As opposed to Armies that invade regions, Spies attack the forum as well. You're only part of your community, I've been in forums where spies have hit and where I was a spy and hit. Some reasons for Region Downfall is because of spies who ruined them. I've destroyed who Forums with their Archives. Imagine all the conversations, blogs, games, RPs gone! Vanished! That's why you need to be afraid of spies. They will destroy you faster than inactivity.
Now, now, I know I'm among the Apathetic and among all those who are Apathetic I do have good reason to have my apathy. For one I've been on NS for more than three-four years, two I've taken so many Map applications I'll scream, and three I was the one who brought RP to Lexicon and then to Taijitu in the first place. I really do like taijitu, a year ago I remember we were counting how many people were coming into the region at once. However in my experience I knew a day like this would come, the Apathy Years! The years when all activity seems to be sucked out, for some it's the lack of energy, for some the lack of interest (like me), and for some the lack of time. Now as a founder, someone who helped come up with the name you call this region, and the writer of the Founder's Original Charter... I would like to remind everyone what principles this region is built on. For one I will recite the Charter
"We the exiles of the Lexicon, hereby form Taijitu, as the founders we are all responsible to the unbiased ways unlike our former region. We will create a Utopia of friendship and prosperity. We are all united as one to form the best region we can hope to create, form a union that’s forever, and to look to the future. Taijitu Prosper"
We the Exiles of Lexicon, hereby form Taijitu
Out of nothing the names who signed that charter were all in a chat room deciding what we would do at a time of crisis. Our only option was a new Forum, we had absolutely no power whatsoever.
as the founders we are all responsible to the unbiased ways unlike our former region
As the founders we would not interfere, but as you can see... the delegate is one of those, but did you not vote him there? But since he disbanded the senate I would like to say that he has not disbanded any hope of you giving your opinion. If that happened we wouldn't even have this discussion. All of you that opposed would be kicked out on the spot, that's what happened at the Lexicon, don't you forget it. I was kicked because I spoke out against IP. SD and IS are not Cathy and IP. I would know. I've worked for both of them and I have to say they're nothing alike, IP never even considered opinions of those in equal power to him, SD is willing to hear everyone's opinions and answer them here. Don't think that this coup is so much wrong but meant to correct a Senate that has hindered progress.
We will create Utopia of friendship and prosperity
Our main goal wasn't government, I know my main goal was this, to make a community of friends (and even enemies) where you could chat, RP, etc. A place where you could escape School, work, and duties so that you had the opportunity to socialize with all kinds of people even if they are annoying.
We are all united as one to form the best region we can hope to create
I've known SD Longer than most here, I know he and IS would never waste their time on something like this only to destroy it, they will work hard and they're not power hungry. What they want is Taijitu to be prosperous again.
form a union that’s forever, and to look to the future. Taijitu Prosper
As you see it written, To make it last as long as possible.
You may not like that you lost your precious Senator position but lately all the Senate has been doing is hindering powers instead of letting them do their jobs. How can anyone function if the Senate's limiting their jobs and making them go under every single regulation that would help "protect" everyone's feelings. Let the Delegate do his Job, let his VD do his Job, let his whole cabinet do their jobs. You all need it if you like it or not. Only whine and bitch about it if the Martial Law should be lifted and you can't democratically vote for your Delegate. Let this be a coup of Government Structure rather than people's powers and you will be prosperous. Taijitu Prosper. Remember who you are.
thank you oz. you realy put into perspective for me. i had been very against this as it had the same sort of air about it as the original exilation from the lexicon. now i realize the true difference. i stand by my comrades here in Taijitu and shall support my friends through this in any way i can.
long live taijitu.
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Everyone Shut the Fuck up and stop being thin biological clock bitches about it so that some progress can be done about this mess.
This whole Martial Law and Risk of Invasion is a load of Bullshit but in order for Taijitu to get back on its feet I believe that. All the spies, I'm not sure since I haven't been the MoRS in awhile but it is possible. As opposed to Armies that invade regions, Spies attack the forum as well. You're only part of your community, I've been in forums where spies have hit and where I was a spy and hit.
lol Spies. That's so retarded.
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Though it's been said, I just wanted to throw my two cents in and say that the reason I've decided to support the new pseudo-dictatorial government is that Taijitu, after all is said and done, is based on a game. A game that had gotten really damn boring. I was honestly only sticking around for the friends I have here and a sense of loyalty to the region that allowed me to meet those I have come to care for very much, but then this happened and suddenly things in the region were interesting in and of themselves again.
I started to feel upset that what I felt to be the legitimate form of gov't we had had been overthrown and seriously considered being indignant, but then my brain rebooted on me and said, "What exactly was that government doing for us anyway, as far as game enjoyment was concerned? As long as you know SD has plans to bring democracy back after the shake-up, what's the harm in having a little fun while simultaneously injecting some actual interest into the region's general population?" I realized that these people had the best interests of this region at heart, no matter what my initial reaction had been, so I have thrown my lot in with them.
Everyone who feels differently I utterly respect, of course, and would even if I had not felt the same way. Any concerns being brought up now will help us to work towards a more agreeable solution later, so I'm really glad we're all talking about this, plus everyone has the right to express themselves regardless of whether or not it is useful (which I maintain that it is). Increased civility would be totally awesome, though. ;)
Speaking of which, take a look at who is posting here. People who have been relatively (or almost entirely) inactive are all over this conversation. Whether or not the means suit you, you can't argue that it's sparked at least a bit more interest.
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Talking=/=Government activity
That's what we were doing before.
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True, but before we were talking while nothing was going on. At least now something is happening and we're talking about it. ^_^
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Is something happening? I haven't seen anything yet aside from some name changes and the downsizing of the government.
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This kourageous boy is surely quick. Wonder if TGR has cooked and served him some curry à la curry, or if we should call him Flash! Aaaaaaaah! ;) :P
We said that by the end of this week all new plans will unfold. Continuously calling us on that might make us post them sooner though....hm.
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I'm willing to give them a little time to work things out. While the way in which SD decided to begin reforms to the region seems a little insulting, it's fine as long as the new framework allows for the participation of all people in the region. That's one of the aspects of Taijitu that brought me here in the first place, and this is the only NS region I've ever cared about out of the several I've been involved with. It would be a shame if we were to lose that open, democratic way of doing things.
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Highly agreed. If I didn't think the promised democratic process would eventually be re-introduced, I wouldn't support this. Also, if I ever come to feel that they really wouldn't happen, I would back out and leave my responsibilities to another.
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I'm still sitting on the fence. On one hand, I'm pro-democracy and pro-rule of law. Plus, I'm now an unemployed Senator! :-P OTOH, I'm also pro-activity, and this sure stirs it up. It might also give me an opening for some good-natured rabble-rousing (if I have time between RL distractions :-P )
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I will in no way support this new government, but I either won't take any actions against it. As it seems that those people who started this coup are also those that hold the administrative power on this forum, resistance is futile anyways - and as you clearly stated, you will kick out anyone who resists. How childish - before this "coup", NS was treated as a game, not something serious or of importance to us. Have fun with your invasions on other regions in your game - my nation CTEd a few days ago, I revived it at request of Limitless Events, but I will not revive it again if it CTEs next time. The new government can do with Taijitu as a region whatever it wishes to - it does no longer concern me. Just stay away from the non-NS-related part of Taijitu - it's community, which you doubtlessly betrayed.
Edit: Sorry for the harsh tone; just been feeling rather...uncomfortable at the moment I wrote this post. Nothing against anyone personally of course.
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Being in the game for less than a year this is the only region I know, so I am willing to to whatever I can to more involved to help this region continue to carry on in the NS realm.
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There is the forum community around the game and then there is the gov't that was created for the region. Over time these began to be meddled and mixed together. When I became MoIA I cleaned up the long neglected citizenship records and vowed to get them in order to help the gov't run smoother and more efficiently. This change is a step towards once again taking the gov't and moving it away from the community based areas of the forum and keeping it where it should be, a gov't run by people who are involved with the gameplay mechanics to create and run a structure for the onsite game and region. RPers can still RP without restriction and there is still no special requirement to get involved in it
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I am waiting for the new laws before I reject this new government or not. Please be as swift as possible.
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I've got no hard feelings against SDixie or I-S. You just shouldn't be running the region.
And you speak of RPers as if we're some demographic, like we're here JUST for that. The vast majority of us are JUST as educated on the government of this region as we are of Validus, or St Oz, or GCE, and just saying "well, you still get to RP" solves nothing. Not all of us are going to lay down and let some unenterable government tell us what to do. If there's no constitution, then what will stop the government, from, say, drafting us and ejecting us for a military mission? (As paranoid and unprecedented as that sounds)
And why the hell is everyone taking my sig?
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It's not paranoia if they're really after you.
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Myroria, calm down, what does the Government Achieve anyway?
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Protection of liberties. "Hey, let's ban this person because we don't like them - there's no constitution stopping us!"
"Hey, let's continue Gov's ban - indefinately - there's no judiciary stopping us!"
And so on and so forth. Not that I'm much opposed to the latter.
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"Hey, let's continue Gov's ban - indefinately - there's no judiciary stopping us!"
Why must you say such hurtful things? :'(
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"Hey, let's continue Gov's ban - indefinately - there's no judiciary stopping us!"
Why must you say such hurtful things? :'(
Such vitriol I have never seen before. My poor eyes, were they less stained by the tears from my shattered soul, would be dry and burning from the withering cynicism. I am speechless, dumbfounded, and rendered unable to do much more than wallow in my own contrition.
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Seems like this is accomplishing a great deal of good. A brilliant move, Head Honchos!
*eagerly awaiting to see the major plans unveiled*
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Likewise Myro, no hard feelings.
But to Myro, Kor, and anyone else who wants to equate us with IP, Cathy, FL, and the rest of the Lex Goon Squad, I pose a question. Where are the mass bannings? Who's been silenced? If SD, Prag, PoD, and myself were as bad as we're being made out to be Kor would have been banned a day and a half ago, along with a whole slew of Taijitu citizens.
Yet this hasn't happened. If this new order is as tyrannical as you all claim there would have been mass bannings from the get-go. Furthermore, if we wanted to simply ban those we disagreed with we could have done that without a coup.
Any "refugees" fleeing this new regime left Taijitu on their own free will. We haven't forced anyone out, not even the most critical voice.
This "absolute rule" is is a transition period. The old way had become apathetic, unwilling to change. So to force it to change we had to seize power for a short time. This allowed us to both do away with the old apathetic order and simultaneously work toward implenting the new order.
Once the new constitution is ready and in place, absolute rule will be phased out.
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How do you respond to allegations that a group of your secret police force attacked a group of innocent Taijituans in the streets? How do you explain the violence to the orphaned children? How could you do this to this once safe region?
If it wasn't for the swift actions of a certain bouncy hero, your police would've killed four Taijis!
And, how do you respond to the suggestion that KoolAid < Fruit Juice?
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I'll gladly sign a new constitution, though I have a great amount of doubts it'll ever come around.
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Ding, dong, the witch is dead, which old witch? The wicked witch.
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Likewise Myro, no hard feelings.
But to Myro, Kor, and anyone else who wants to equate us with IP, Cathy, FL, and the rest of the Lex Goon Squad, I pose a question. Where are the mass bannings? Who's been silenced? If SD, Prag, PoD, and myself were as bad as we're being made out to be Kor would have been banned a day and a half ago, along with a whole slew of Taijitu citizens.
Yet this hasn't happened. If this new order is as tyrannical as you all claim there would have been mass bannings from the get-go. Furthermore, if we wanted to simply ban those we disagreed with we could have done that without a coup.
Any "refugees" fleeing this new regime left Taijitu on their own free will. We haven't forced anyone out, not even the most critical voice.
This "absolute rule" is is a transition period. The old way had become apathetic, unwilling to change. So to force it to change we had to seize power for a short time. This allowed us to both do away with the old apathetic order and simultaneously work toward implenting the new order.
Once the new constitution is ready and in place, absolute rule will be phased out.
When did I equate you to IP/Cath/FL? I don't recall doing that.
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Why are we just supposed to let you? I believe Taijitu was established as a polar opposite to The Lexicon, and I believe democracy is defined as:
(countable, government) A government under the direct or representative rule of the people of its jurisdiction.
If you're just here saying that you're disbanding our representation (Not to mention you'll soon go away in about...three weeks' time, all of you), how can you turn around and say democracy will come back? When I said the Senate was inefficient, I never meant for anyone to fucking get rid of it. I have trouble following a leader who goes away for weeks at a time.
So, are we a bunch of medieval peasants who just let whatever happen, or are we modern human beings? Convince me not to just refute your "new government".
You know, for all the insanity IP, Cath, and FL came up with, I'm starting to believe one thing they said was right:
This place is about people. Not numbers.
Ok, I am still new to this "game" however I am not new to the idea and/or ideal of gov't. I think that you...Myroria are being a bit jumpy. I understand your issues with disappearances in the past, but why not give it all a chance. Mayhaps this is going to be a change that is surprising refreshing and good. Dictatorship in of its self does not mean no representation for the common man.
I think that everyone will be surprised with the out come of this "coup" or not coup. I have been around now for a few months and didn't see a whole hell of a lot going on. As a general comment to the whole game and not just to one person.....I find it odd and actually amusing in a very big way, that people were quiet and didn't say much of anything in the way of things they wanted or needed from the previous gov't. hell in fact there wasn't all the much involve at all from the masses. until SD, PoD, and company decided to be the pot stirrers. Coincidence? I really don't think so.
I see that this is what the region needed....what this game needed. ~shrugs~ but by the standards of the majority of this game....I am still a nobody. But I gave you my two cents anyway.
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Silanis, let's just say I see you have something to hide.
Again...No hard feelings.
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Silanis, let's just say I see you have something to hide.
Again...No hard feelings.
WTF?
What pray tell do your think I have to hide?
is it that in RL I am SD's girlfriend? who cares that has no bearing on what I said here. I have sat for months and seen the goings on here. I have read through pretty much the entire forum..... so tell me what do I have to hide?
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Oooo, the plot thickens. Dun dun duuuuuun!
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As my girlie said, there's a bit of jumpiness going on here. There are a few who just read shit about senate suspended blah blah blah.. and then get their knickers in a knot. And I will say, this shit of "I doubt there will be any democracy introduced" irritates me just a bit. If you're just wanting something to bitch and whine about (which seems to be the case with some) then carry on. But if you wish to appear to be rational individuals who think for themselves, then maybe, just maybe, you might want to sit back and give us a shot do deliver what we say we are going to deliver (thank you to those who have decided to do so!)
Now, this shit about inactivity... frankly, I'm tired of hearing about it. It's beginning to sound like a broken record. Have PoD IS and myself had periods where we were inactive? Sure. Life's a bitch. But, do you really want to know what the fucked up thing is? After nearly 3 months of me being inactive... I came back, and found that NOTHING HAD CHANGED! Nothing, save for the names of the people in government. A new Delegate, some new senators, and that was about it.
So, who were the inactive ones really? Me who was unable to be on here to get anything done, unable to make a difference? Or those who were here the whole fucking time, and yet did neigh on nothing? "Activity" does not equal results. You can sit and post nonsense in the OOC areas all day long, and sure, you're active, but that's not accomplishing anything. But a new player could come in, be here for a week get signed up on toaster, recruit 10 or 20 nations, and bam! They've done more than the lot of us put together. I'm not trying to say that unless you recruit, you don't add anything, that's just an example of what I'm talking about.
To those who feel that the week or so that was promised for the new constitution is too long, that we were "unprepared" or "don't have a plan" I tell you this. The senate couldn't even agree on the how to change a small part of one article of it's own laws in nearly twice that time. Limi once introduced a change to an existing law, a change of one single word, and a debate ensued over the meaning of that word in the context in which it was used. The legislation was never changed. The thought that people complain that the finishing touches on a constitution are taking an ungodly week to complete, when the senate couldn't even figure out a fucking word in the same (if not more) time, is laughable at best, and sad at worst.
While the bickering and sarcasm is all very cute and witty, it does nothing to help the region. Those who disagree what what we have done, will disagree. I knew that would be the case before we did this. Those in favor, will most likely remain so. We're not changing anyone's minds here on either end of the spectrum. It's a senate style debate moved over into the Delegates office (which is pretty much what I expected) As I said, in the coming days, by friday, specifically, there will be a new constitution posted. It *will* deliver on the following.
1) A system for direct representation, without the need for a senate
2) Checks and balances against all offices in the government.
3) A bill of rights which is nearly identical as it is now.
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3) A bill of rights which is nearly identical as it is now.
If anything, stronger.
Damnit. I'm contributing productively...
Pantaloons!
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By the way I'd just like to note that I personally very much respect and admire Kor and am rather disturbed by Inglo-Scotia's comments against him.
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I think most of us respect and like Kor a great deal, that's not an issue. *is trying to identify negative comments about Kor*. Things get heated in a debate like this, however, keeping them objective and away from personal attacks is something I will gladly enforce.
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Oooo, the plot thickens. Dun dun duuuuuun!
lol (btw on a side note Mahasoor I love the Zaphod pic) there's no plot at all really, anyone could've known months ago my RL link to SD....if they had read an intro made for Me in the intro area. Then again until now, when I felt I had some things to say that were worth me going through all this explaining of myself, I have pretty much stayed quiet. However whatever anyone may think, and I am aware of what the majoritiy will think. My RL relationship with SD means nothing in reference to this game. so really this info on Me is not the cornstarch that will thicken any plots.
Besides, because of the fact that I share a computer with SD, which means same IP.... most of you know what that means. There isn't a whole hell of a lot I can do. I can't have a UN, so that means no joining military, couldn't join the Senate when it was around (if I had wanted to)...cause I can't have a UN. So really that just leaves Forum posting and Rp......oh and recruiting. So I for one thought all this a good idea, being that now there is going to be direct representation of the people....by the people. So in actuality it lets people like Me, that want to get involved in this, better representation. For that matter it gives everyone better representation. If anyone wants evidence that a Senate set up is not always ideal just take a look at the US senate. Most of our elected Representatives, Senators, and Congressmen in Washington D.C. have forgotten why they were elected. They were elected to represent us...the people but now they are to busy with there own agendas. So personally I am happily awaiting direct democracy. So that I can use My own voice, not hope that My representative remembers what I want, or need.
~goes back to Her shadowy corner, to do what She does best......watch~
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As far as I'm concerned, everyone here is a celibate shut-in. Way to burst my bubble. :P
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LOL UR BUBBLEZ GOT PWNT
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Maha, you have crushed my soul merely by uttering that possibility. Just so you know. :P
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LOL UR SOUL GOT PWNT
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*adds soul-crusher to her resume*
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*adds Imperial Guard Colonel to Resume*
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As a member of the club, "We Jump On Band Wagons Ltd." it is my duty to say something (see we live up to our name :) ).
SD, I'm disappointed in you. You should know better than you tell people they don't have a choice any more (or whatever it is you're telling everyone). People don't like change, in general, unless they are part of the force behind it. You should have gotten yourself organised with a new draft constitution before you started saying "There will be changes." What changes. Either that or you do things quietly so no one really realises what's going on. 8)
Everyone else opposed to this, I suggest you just keep using the senate, as nowhere in the constitution does it say any member of the "Executive" can disband the Senate. I shall promptly be reapplying, as I have some time now (even if only for a couple of months :) )
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Yanno... actually, the constitution was, for all practical points and purposes, finished, when we started this. This extra time has been to make additions and changes for the better, that we thought would make the new government more well rounded. Should we have thought of those things before hand? Probably, maybe, I don't know. I wish we would have, but we're not perfect, and we're quite aware of that fact, contrary to the accusations of some.
When it comes right down to it though, I'd rather take a little longer with it than I'd planned, and have you people beat me up over it, than to post something I'm not happy with. Also, contrary to what some of you have implied, I do take the welfare of this region quite seriously, and I do take it as my personal responsibility, the same goes for Gunner, Praggie, and the others who put their NS carreers and reputations on the line to make this happen. I'm not cutting corners on the new constitution, and that's why it's taking a bit longer. If that's such a horrendous thing, sorry.
The good news though, is that it will be posted no later than tonight. A day ahead of when I originally said it would be, and still sooner than it would have taken the senate to bicker and debate and hash out even the most insignificant piece of legislation.
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As far as I'm concerned, everyone here is a celibate shut-in. Way to burst my bubble. :P
OH YEAH!
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I'm more mediate of my insult, this is crap and undemocratic,
I don't like to waste time with mannerisms, so with all due respect senator if it's corruption you want to fight your an idiot! because you just made it a-lot worse, and you do say you still have free speech.
So I use free speech as it has been traditionally interpreted by the U.N., freedom to express positive or negative opinion on organizations such as the government, regardless of current political motion.
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I'm more mediate of my insult, this is crap and undemocratic,
I don't like to waste time with mannerisms, so with all due respect senator if it's corruption you want to fight your an idiot! because you just made it a-lot worse, and you do say you still have free speech.
So I use free speech as it has been traditionally interpreted by the U.N., freedom to express positive or negative opinion on organizations such as the government, regardless of current political motion.
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f171/ofcrazed/smiley-1.jpg)
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m'kay.
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I could've sworn I saw an edit on rk's post that was cleaned up and not as... blunt.
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I'm more mediate of my insult, this is crap and undemocratic,
I don't like to waste time with mannerisms, so with all due respect senator if it's corruption you want to fight your an idiot! because you just made it a-lot worse, and you do say you still have free speech.
So I use free speech as it has been traditionally interpreted by the U.N., freedom to express positive or negative opinion on organizations such as the government, regardless of current political motion.
If you don't like it, fuckin' leave. Using your second post on the forum to attack the government, or anyone else on this forum, for that matter, is not an intelligent thing to do, freedom of speech or not.
Take some of that energy you want to invest in bitching and put it into maybe seeing how things work around here, then you'll have some grounds to criticise.
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Can I use my 4441st post on the forum to insult everyone on the forum? :P
I think I'll save that until post 4444th. ^_^
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You can insult anyone you want Kor :P
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\o/
Now, who should I start with?
>_>
<_<
:P
^_^
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Well, my vote is for that shady PoD Gunner character. We all know he's a troublemaker. :P
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i say start with the hertic!
oops.
*runs*