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Government of Taijitu => The Ecclesia => Legislative and Treaty Votes => Topic started by: Gulliver on December 15, 2014, 02:25:40 PM
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A motion has been made and seconded to vote on the following proposed Revolutionary Calendar:
Years shall be counted as annō Revolūtiōnis, "year of the Revolution", abbreviated AR. The start of the Glorious Revolution shall mark the first day of the first year in this epoch, and every subsequent year shall begin on its anniversay. Years shall consist of twelves months commemorating the principles of yin and yang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang), the trigrams of the Bagua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua), and the elements of the Wu Xing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Xing).
- Ventaire (vahn-TAIR), from French vent, "wind", reprsenting the trigram for wind;
- Aquaire (ah-KWAIR), from Latin aqua, "water", representing the trigram and element water;
- Boisaire (bwah-SAIR), from French bois, "wood", representing the element of wood;
- Orôse (or-ROHZ), from Greek óros, "mountain", representing the trigram for mountain;
- Gaïôse (gy-YOHZ), from Greek gaîa, "earth", representing the trigram and element of earth;
- Umbrôse (oom-BROHZ), from Latin umbra, "shadow", representing the principle of yin;
- Tonnerral (TAWN-nair-RAHL), from French tonnerre, "thunder", representing the trigram for thunder;
- Ignal (eeg-NAHL), from Latin ignis, "fire", representing the trigram and element of fire;
- Sidéral (SEE-day-RAHL), from Greek sídēros, "iron", representing the element of metal;
- Lacidor (LAH-see-DOR), from French lac, "lake", representing the trigram for lake;
- Cielidor (see-YEL-lee-DOR), from French ciel, "sky", representing the trigram for heaven; and
- Lumidor (LEW-mee-DOR), from Latin lūmen, "light", representing the principle of yang.
Each month shall contain thirty days, divided into three revolutionary weeks of ten days each:
- Primidi (PREE-mee-DEE), from Latin prīmus, "first";
- Duodi (DOO-woh-DEE), from Latin duo, "two";
- Tridi (tree-DEE), from French tri, "three";
- Quartidi (KWAH-tree-DEE), from French quatre, "four";
- Quintidi (KEEN-tee-DEE), from Latin quīnque, "five";
- Sextidi; (SEKS-tee-DEE), from French sex, "six";
- Adelphidi; (ah-DELF-fee-DEE), from Greek adelphós, "brother", in honor of the fraternity of our comrades in arms;
- Vocidi (VAW-see-DEE), from Latin vōx, "voice", in honor of the Voice of the People;
- Milidi (MEE-lee-DEE), from Latin mīles, "soldier", in honor of the Citizens' Militia; and
- Ecclésidi (ek-KLAY-see-DEE), from Greek ekklēsía, "gathering", in honor of our assembly of the same name.
The months of Aquaire, Orôse, Umbrôse, Ignal and Lacidor, as well as Lumidor on leap years, shall also contain an additional thirty-first day, Citoyenide (see-TWAH-yen-NEED), from French citoyen, "citizen". Leap years shall be years on which the sum of the year and fourteen is divisible by four-hundred or is divisible by four but not one-hundred. Each day shall be divided into ten hours, each hour into one-hundred minutes, and each minute into one-hundred seconds. Hours shall be numbered from one to ten and minutes and seconds from zero to ninety-nine. The tenth hour shall start at midnight of each day.
The original discussion can be found here (http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/establishment-of-a-new-calendar-to-defend-the-progress-of-the-revolution/). This vote will run for five days.
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What is the point?
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To extend the reform efforts of the Glorious Revolution to the old calendar, and replace its arbitrary structure with one built around Taijitu and the ideals of the Revolution!
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What is the point?
So long as we maintain institutions routed in the irrational and oligarchic principles which we rebelled against, the work of the Revolution will be incomplete. Only a clean break with the past in all respects can pave the way forward for a better future ruled by Reason and the Voice of the People.
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What is the point?
That is a good question :D
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We in Lindisfarne blive that a new calender is a costly and unnessecary propaganda ploy. A calender is a practical tool for people to use when they organise their life. It is pointless to complicate peoples life with a new calendar. To introduce a new calendar will also isolate Taijitu from the rest of the world, and Lindisfarne belives that we should brake down barriers between regions and nations rather than erecting new ones. Thus Lindisfarne is going to vote NO.
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The Old Calendar will still be used alongside the Taijitu Revolutionary Calendar. It is not a "propaganda ploy", but a way of ensuring the Revolution persists in our institutions. In addition, it is a way to make Taijitu stand out among regions.
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As Myroria notes, in practical matters where dates are sill necessary, we will use the current calendar as a matter of necessity. This bill is meant to be in the same vein as acts like the Flag and Seal Act, the Holidays Act, or our current debate on a motto or title, something cosmetic which helps to characterize our region and helps it stand out from others. In our case we've been heavily incorporating themes of the French Revolution, hence a proposal for our own version of the French Republican Calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_Calendar).
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Also, it costs nothing.
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The Old Calendar will still be used alongside the Taijitu Revolutionary Calendar. It is not a "propaganda ploy", but a way of ensuring the Revolution persists in our institutions. In addition, it is a way to make Taijitu stand out among regions.
I'll defend that it's a propaganda ploy disvirtuing the true revolution. The Revolutionary Process was hijacked.
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Nay.
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The Old Calendar will still be used alongside the Taijitu Revolutionary Calendar. It is not a "propaganda ploy", but a way of ensuring the Revolution persists in our institutions. In addition, it is a way to make Taijitu stand out among regions.
I'll defend that it's a propaganda ploy disvirtuing the true revolution. The Revolutionary Process was hijacked.
...wut?
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The Old Calendar will still be used alongside the Taijitu Revolutionary Calendar. It is not a "propaganda ploy", but a way of ensuring the Revolution persists in our institutions. In addition, it is a way to make Taijitu stand out among regions.
I'll defend that it's a propaganda ploy disvirtuing the true revolution. The Revolutionary Process was hijacked.
Just because Taijitu is democratically deciding to move in a direction different from what you want does not mean that "The Revolution has been hijacked". The Ecclesia votes how the Ecclesia votes. If that's different from your view, that's a pity, but its also how democracy works.
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Just because Taijitu is democratically deciding to move in a direction different from what you want does not mean that "The Revolution has been hijacked". The Ecclesia votes how the Ecclesia votes. If that's different from your view, that's a pity, but its also how democracy works.
It's a pity so many decisions were made outside of Ecclesia then, what a good example you are.
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No decisions regarding the calendar have been made "outside the Ecclesia." Gulliver drafted this totally by himself.
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Just because Taijitu is democratically deciding to move in a direction different from what you want does not mean that "The Revolution has been hijacked". The Ecclesia votes how the Ecclesia votes. If that's different from your view, that's a pity, but its also how democracy works.
It's a pity so many decisions were made outside of Ecclesia then, what a good example you are.
Please give me an example of this besides the World Fair fiasco a month ago.
Again, I invite you to put the reforms you surely have in mind before the Ecclesia for open debate and discussion. There the democratic process can determine their merit.
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I also fail to see the point of the Revolutionary calendar. To be honest, I think it may be carrying the theme a little too far. However, I also don't see much harm in it, so I will abstain.
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We in Lindisfarne blive that a new calender is a costly and unnessecary propaganda ploy. A calender is a practical tool for people to use when they organise their life. It is pointless to complicate peoples life with a new calendar. To introduce a new calendar will also isolate Taijitu from the rest of the world, and Lindisfarne belives that we should brake down barriers between regions and nations rather than erecting new ones. Thus Lindisfarne is going to vote NO.
It doesn't cost anything. This will have no impact on our regional economy, and it has little effect on the outside world or our interactions with it. Don't be so ridiculous.
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what a vain comment. If it doesn't cost or impacts anything than it's pretty useless and the opposite of pertinent? Good job campaigning for a no :D
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what a vain comment. If it doesn't cost or impacts anything than it's pretty useless and the opposite of pertinent? Good job campaigning for a no :D
You're one of those people who thinks fun doesn't have a point, aren't you? :whip:
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I had fun once. It was awful.
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I think Eluvatar may have banned fun already.
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:wb: :whip: :clap:
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what a vain comment. If it doesn't cost or impacts anything than it's pretty useless and the opposite of pertinent? Good job campaigning for a no :D
Wow! :clap: :clap: I miss the days when Delfos was our Delegate. We had really enlightened leadership and lots of comments like the above back then :o ??? ::)
I do not see what point she was trying to make. This Calendar has no "cost" whatsoever and it will not effect our relations on the world stage.
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We in Lindisfarne blive that a new calender is a costly and unnessecary propaganda ploy. A calender is a practical tool for people to use when they organise their life. It is pointless to complicate peoples life with a new calendar. To introduce a new calendar will also isolate Taijitu from the rest of the world, and Lindisfarne belives that we should brake down barriers between regions and nations rather than erecting new ones. Thus Lindisfarne is going to vote NO.
It doesn't cost anything. This will have no impact on our regional economy, and it has little effect on the outside world or our interactions with it. Don't be so ridiculous.
I could be wrong but this could be a part of her RP character? In real life, this change would cost money as the old calendars would have to be thrown out, new ones made, hello 1984, revisions to many texts to accommodate the new calendar system, revision of the education system, etc etc etc. That's money to be spent. :2c: Not including time and effort involved.
So her argument isn't so ridiculous.
Otherwise, yes, this is going to cost most of us nothing, in monetary sense. Some of us will spend time and effort (these are costs) and adopt this new calendar and try to apply it. Otherwise this is all just a bit of harmless fun.
I will be passively resisting as I am not willing to SPEND time to relearn a new calendar. :fight:
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I do believe you are right about it being an in-character response.
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Ahh, if the response was in character than we may not even disagree: she may simply be unaware that our regional government isn't related to RP.
What do you think of this proposal out of character, Lindisfarne?
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This vote has ended. The Revolutionary Calendar shall be adopted as Taijitu's official calendar.
I would like to point out to the citizen-legislators of the Ecclesia that this does not mean official dating on the forums will be done in the new calendar. We will continue to use the pre-revolutionary calendar for dating of posts, PMs, etc.