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Offline Rabarac

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Redefining "Observer" status
« on: November 06, 2007, 05:59:07 PM »
The IPO Delegation of Rabarac has become sincerely discontent with the current definition of observer status.  As delineated by the previous Administrator, the Ipod of Loyan, nations with "observer" status in the IPO were to quote, "observe only," and not to participate in deliberations.  I see this as an insult to the nations who are examining the IPO for potential membership, but more importantly, it is a stumbling block in the way of progress that is the purpose of this Organization.  How can a forum for rational deliberations restrict the ability of interested parties to speak on the issue without being hypocritical?  Many nations do not have the resources to fully support the social, cultural, and economic engineering programs that the organization sponsors, yet their people yearn for collective peace just as we all do.  We should not be disenfranchising those who are pursuing peace, simply because the mounting economic burden of membership is not an option.  While I agree that observer status does not indicate the ability to vote and be represented among the many nations, being merely allowed to participate in the deliberations and hopefully influence those who do vote to do so wisely does not seem like much too ask.  Since the public deliberations of the IPO are, well, public information in any case, the current system gives absolutely no "meat on the bones" to observer status.  There is truly no difference between observer status and non-member status.  I propose that reforms be implemented to allow Observer status to truly be the midway point between voting member and staring, silent non-member.  This current administration could benefit greatly in granting observer nations the privilege of addressing the IPO Assembly.

OOC:  I'm worried I don't have much to RP without getting involved somewhere, and since Loyan shut me up last time, well, I mean, I haven't posted in quite awhile.  Moreover, the UN Observer nations/representatives participate in deliberations like the members, they just don't vote.
Note: Not to be confused with "observer" missions like the one headed to Xyraeli colonies.
Foreign Advocate of Rabarac, Magorion IV

Offline Cantr

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2007, 06:13:12 PM »
Hear hear!
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Offline Delfos

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2007, 06:30:57 PM »
The current administration is interested in a efficient proposal to redefine the status of External Observers. Because of the membership priorities and privileges, Observer nations must not interfere with a current discussion, but they are free to comment or express any doubt in form of question to a member or to the administration in order understand and relate the issue in discussion.
The IPO External Observer Delegation of Rabarac must understand that without a membership it will be hard to influence any issue in discussion, and shouldn't take a weight in the resolution of such issue, because the External Observer Delegation isn't included in the global interest of such resolution.
Shortly, only a member is part of the global (international) resolution, and there is no interest beyond or outside the membership universe of this organization. But, the delfian organization sees that this cannot be a restrictive or discriminating organization, that even external nations should be heard, helped or have a word in this collective, which is practically the work we've been doing.
We would like to hear your proposal, and if interesting, it might change the way an external word can reach a global resolution, since the Administration itself will propose a new bill to redefine the status of observers as requested here.

ooc: I'm asking you to make the dirty work, make a legislation form of your request, and if well expressed, you have your redefination.

Offline Union

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2007, 04:03:58 AM »
ooc: Observer - A delegate sent to observe and report on the proceedings of an assembly or a meeting but not vote or otherwise participate.

       American Heritage Dictionary


ic: What you currently ask for is Associate status. I suggest you talk to IPO Administrator if you wish to gain Associate privileges within IPO.
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Offline Cantr

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2007, 04:43:09 AM »
If Associate status can participate in the discussions and Observers cannot...why have Observers?
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Offline Bender1968

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2007, 04:55:26 AM »
Because observers are supposed to be neutral and only report to another authority.

Offline Cantr

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2007, 03:38:22 PM »
No, not observers like the ones in Xyrael, I mean observer nations in the IPO.
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Offline Pachamama

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2007, 05:49:28 PM »
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We should not be disenfranchising those who are pursuing peace, simply because the mounting economic burden of membership is not an option.

If I may address this concern let me explain a misunderstanding you seem to have.
We can and will not force an undersigned nation to fulfill it’s duties in an unrealistic way.
If they sign a treaty it must be understood that they fulfill  it to the best of their abilities within realistic limitations.
For further fulfillment of duty's resulting from such treaty's, that is what the other nations are there to help you with.
There will be checks to prevent abuse of this be assured but the general rule here is that you do what you can with what you have.
We can not ask a nation that is willing to better the access of it's people to water to ruin itself in the process.

About the status of observers I wish to propose the following.
That if the observers wish to adress the assembly in questions about their countrys probelms than we should have a weekly or monthly meeting were they may present their questions before the assembly.
Surely many nations would like to know our opinion on their problems before they join.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2007, 05:51:45 PM by Pachamama »
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Offline Delfos

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2007, 05:52:53 PM »
this kind of observers is for some group, like a nation, have privileged first hand information about a meeting. I don't think there is Associate status in IPO, only member and observer, but that's quick to fix. Why not becoming a member? I think you haven't followed all the latest discussions or you would see your sovereignty fear is not applicable.

Offline Feniexia

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2007, 07:01:00 PM »
Then, switch the Feniexian Observer to Member status, please...

Offline Union

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2007, 07:18:53 PM »
Feniexia is already a member.

And Rabarac, the purpose of Observer status is for RP reasons, allowing you to disclose information that happens in IPO meetings. Non-observers can't just magically find out about stuff.
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Offline Cantr

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2007, 07:31:25 PM »
Yes they can.  How can you tell whether or not your secretary is sending the recording to your office or to an apartment building two blocks away filled with enemy spies?  IPO is really, really easy to spy on, especially since, if we're anything like the UN, we have a gigantic TV screen which super villains can appear on to eavesdrop or make death threats with at will.
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Offline Pachamama

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2007, 08:12:43 PM »
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How can you tell whether or not your secretary is sending the recording to your office or to an apartment building two blocks away filled with enemy spies?

Uuuhm..uuhmm  :-[ uuhmm ISO??? But I ain't telling. Naaah. ;D :-P

Edit: Besides what do we have to hide?
« Last Edit: November 07, 2007, 08:21:56 PM by Pachamama »
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Offline Union

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2007, 08:29:47 PM »
I can tell because Terranger hanged a "No Spies Allow" sign at the from door of IPO HQ.
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Offline Pachamama

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Re: Redefining "Observer" status
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2007, 08:39:24 PM »
Was a good idea I must say so.

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