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Title: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 16, 2007, 04:44:35 AM
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Memo to all Ipods

As the Ipod of Loyan, I stand against any intervention in the armed separatist movement currently happening in the Xyraeli colony of Gelibolu, unless we find substantial evidence of human rights or war time engagement violations in the conflict.

However, I do wish to bring up the issue of whether we should recognize the Gelibolu government, if it did succeed in gaining independence from Xyrael.  Please discuss in the meeting I have scheduled.
 
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Khem on October 16, 2007, 05:08:28 AM
Representative L'ana Myer walked into the room looking frazzled. she was in the middle of writting an important chapter in her book, about the ideal that human beings are born free from violence, when she recieved the memo. she had hurried to make herself presentable and took an extra five minutes searching for her glasses, which it turned out were right on her face. she grabbed a stack of papers with Bohemia's information on the situations. she walked into the conference room before she realized that she had forgotten to put her hair up.

 " well umm hello everyone. i hope this meeting will go well. may the way guide us."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 16, 2007, 05:44:15 AM
"Glad you can join us Myer. The others aren't here yet, I say we got ten minute to chill...tea?"

The Ipod of Loyan, Tai Pian, sat at the far left end of the conference table with a cup of steaming tea while leaning back on the black leather revolving chair. Tai nodded his head to a clay tea pot on the the center of the table with several paper cups arranged around it. He then looked back to the newspaper he was reading.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: St Oz on October 16, 2007, 05:46:01 AM
ooc: Wondering when Ozia will also be a concern
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Khem on October 16, 2007, 05:51:37 AM
"why thank you..."

she looked absolutely touched at having been offered tea. she set herself to pouring a cup.

"so what have you heard about this situation? i've heard of violence being used. not a good thing for the world when such violence happens."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 16, 2007, 05:58:44 AM
"Violence will be used as long as weapons exist. As long as those that don't want to be part of it are safe..."

Tai puts away his paper. He finishes his cup of tea and pours L'ana a cup and then refills his.

"In any case, we have no way of knowing what's going on there in Gelibolu. I already asked the Gelibolu government to inform us of anything that might be going wrong, but it's uncertain if they're willing to tell us anything. I don't know about these Eastians in any case, so what are your thoughts?"

occ: Don't know, when Xy starts the geonocide of Ozians?
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Khem on October 16, 2007, 06:15:59 AM
"well i stand firmly on the side of non-interference militarily no matter what is happening. but from what i know of Xyrael it is almost certain we will need to heal the bodies of those ravaged by violence. i just hope they will let us assist. blood does not need to stain the roots of Avana'ash (the tree of life). oh i do hope their representative gets here soon, the very idea that lives may be wasted while we are waqiting is unbearable."

she drank her tea and pulled out a thin pipe carved to look like a yellow rose. she sprinkled various herbs into it. as she lit it with a match a soothing aroma overtook the room, while most smoke may have been acrid this was something a bit different, just breathing in the aroma made one feel calmer.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 16, 2007, 06:29:51 AM
"This civil war came because the burden of the the original government became unbearable. No matter how we put it, people sometime need to raise up in arms to regain their rights. The ideals of revolutionary, I believe in them, and I'm hoping for a Gelibolu victory. I for one will be recognizing the state of Gelibolu when it comes. Surely, we cannot deny people the right to choose their government?

If only there was a peaceful way to independence, but we both know that the Xyraeli will resist the separatist no matter what. We can't expect them to let Gelibolu go without a fight."

Tia blew on his hot tea. It was then he realize the strong aroma of burnt plant matter.

"Myer...what are you smoking? Is that cannabis...?"

Tia waved his head around, as the smoke began to burn in his nostril.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Khem on October 16, 2007, 07:01:21 AM
"no no not cannabis. its an herbal mix with a touch of native Bohemian Cherry Spirit. would you like to try it? its great for the nerves and leaves you feeling content and slightly euphoric with none of that dazed out feeling you get with alot of things." Myer offers the pipe to Tia. "i fully support their right to choose their own govornment..... i just wish there was another way. hmm maybe i could give them some historical evidence from the million flower revolt that happened in my country over a hundred years ago. maybe then they could find a peaceful solution."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 16, 2007, 07:14:45 AM
"Let's hope so..."

Tai turned down the chance to try to the foreign intoxicant on account of his asthma and sat down back in his seat.

He ruffled with the newspaper on the desk, pondering on the new relations between Loyan and Xyrael. It was a difficult state, his country striving for world peace while being under the new influence of the Eastian empire. They were still pushing for Xyrael to join IPO, but he had yet to receive a single reply from them.

"Hmm, ten minutes already. Looks like the others aren't showing up. I was hoping for Maple Leaf show up a least...

Should we put this off till tomorrow?"
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 16, 2007, 07:36:16 AM
Yuri Papovish walks in: "Hello, sorry for my delay. I'm the appointed delegate of New Delfos, and i hope most of you might know me already."

Yuri sits and drinks some water: "New Delfos is very sensitive in Xyraeli colonies, we regard from any intervention at all, but violence, war and disputes must be stopped, and we should enforce diplomacy arranging meetings for the representative and responsible figures of both sides, together with our delegates. If necessary we should make a Fast Response Peace Force to prevent any harm or calamity from happening."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Khem on October 16, 2007, 10:02:21 AM
"rather good idea. but would this peace force use violence? if so it may be a bit of an oxymoron. but yes diplomacy does sound to be a good idea. after all compromise is one of the fruits of the Avana'ash."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Collatica on October 16, 2007, 10:48:53 AM
Proconsul Tobias Brutus of the Imperial Consulate of Foreign Affairs entered the room. He was pleased to have been appointed as delegate to this upcoming union, though Collatica's stance on many issues differed from he expected most of the other members of the IPO. Tobias supposed this meeting to be an especially difficult one. How could his government oppose Xyraeli attempts to retain their own rebellious colonies whilst Collatica kept hers? The answer was they couldn't without discrediting themselves... The Proconsul couldn't help but hope the other delegates were not privy to the increasing resistance to Federal rule in Provincia Externus, for it would make his job a lot easier.

"Greetings Delegates. I am Lictor-Proconsul Tobias Brutus. I am here on behalf of his Imperial Majesty, Dux-Imperator Alexus IV of Collatica."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 16, 2007, 03:58:05 PM
Yuri: "A Peace Force is supposed to intimidate any kind of violence, so it's supposed to not use violence, unless someone breaks the intimidation and uses violence, so the task is to neutralize any attempt of violence. They are there to maintain order and 'force' diplomacy. We should write a protocol about this, and New Delfos will sure send some forces into this IPO Peace Force."

ooc: IPO blue helmets.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 16, 2007, 04:55:52 PM
"God hell, you pop in here just a minute ago, and you're already talking about military intervention? We have to be reasonable to those affected in this matter. A show of force will only be reversing our efforts for peaceful resolution, we can't be sending in forces into a foreign country and force peace at gunpoint. There has to be another way!"

Tia didn't like the idea of a IPO security force, it was a bit too metaphoric of a imperial military. He will need to watch on the Ipod of Delfos.

"Myer, you think it be possible for a public campaign approach? If we can convince the public majority of both sides to settle this diplomatically, we may avoid any further bloodshed."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 16, 2007, 07:04:41 PM
"I was just answering ipod Myer. As i said, peace force would be a last resort, we sure need a strategy for last resort, but my main goal is to pressure for diplomatic solution, organizing meetings with the active parties."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Osamafune on October 16, 2007, 08:45:16 PM
The Collosean Ipod Bakoyannis VI came bursting into the room. "Sorry I'm late!" he says. "A sudden storm delayed my flight."

Bakoyannis VI takes a seat at the table. "Could someone sum up for me what's been discussed so far?"
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Aquatoria on October 16, 2007, 08:57:46 PM
The Canadian Ipod, Micheal Morena looked at the other Ipods as they discussed this subject. "I can't believe we are arguing about the indepedence of one colony, there are two! What about them? Now let's be realistic. The People's Republic of Loyan and the Greater Canadian Empire are both members of PI. If we go before the Xyraeli government and demand the Independence of all of the revolting colonies, the Xyraelis will think we are trying to undermine Xyraeli power on that continent. The honorable Ipod of Loyan knows this. It doesn't matter if we go before them as members of PI or IPO, we will not be listened to. I suggest the other nations demand the Xyraeli colonies' independence."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 16, 2007, 09:22:55 PM
"Micheal, we talk this over breakfast yesterday. Like I said before, we can't just go charging into other people's business. This is a internal dispute, we cannot force our agenda on Xyrael. All we should do is make sure that the Xyraelis do not go too far with their suppression of the rebellion and promote the possibility of settling the dispute diplomatically."   

Frustrated, Tia took out his pills and swallowed two.

"I do not want to see IPO turn into a military alliance or a house of political influence. IPO is not about pushing politics, it's about spreading the ideals of humanitarian and harmony. If a person does not believe in an ideology force upon him or her, there will only be dissent, no matter how morally upright the ideology. If the Xyraeli public cannot believe in peace, there can be no peace...not a easy one at least.

It will only serve to buildup tension between Xyrael and her independent colonies for future conflict."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Aquatoria on October 16, 2007, 09:30:37 PM
"Trust me Tia, IPO will not turn into a military alliance or a house of political influence. We just need Xyrael to know that all we are doing is spreading the ideals of humanitarian and harmony. But they will see it as PI trying to undermine a political and military rival. I suggest we host a summit between the leaders of the revolutionaries and the Xyraeli Empire."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Osamafune on October 16, 2007, 09:43:27 PM
"I seriously doubt Xyrael would agree to such a thing."

<ooc> Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there three Xyraeli colonies (Moacia'av, Ozia'av, and Laen'ka)? </ooc>
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Aquatoria on October 16, 2007, 09:44:50 PM
"We must try."

ooc: Yes but Laen'ka is the only one not in revolt.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Osamafune on October 16, 2007, 09:49:12 PM
"Very well... Should I forward a message to the Collosean embassy in Xyrael to have them inform the Xyraeli government that the IPO wishes to have this summit?"

<ooc>Who is Laen'ka anyway? </ooc>
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 16, 2007, 10:30:37 PM
"How can we be talking about independence already? I'm against forcing anything on Xyraeli Administration, specially on asking them to concede independence to their colonies. Of course Xyrael will not give any independence that way, and it will only pressure for a quick solution of the problem, any kind of armed conflict. We must avoid that at all costs! We need to hear clearly the intentions of all parties, even the other colonies mentioned, and specially Xyrali voice, because they are the ones in charge for now. Let's not rush anything. I just want this to be settled by diplomatic confront of interests and see if it's necessary, profitable and reasonable to help those colonies to obtain independence.
As major resource of information and judgment, we have the population to proove if this is what they want."

ooc: I'm not really defending Xyrael but my relations with the nation, and I'm not her to talk about independence just yet, i think 1st we should all gather, as expressed above, at all costs, a diplomatic solution for any kind of conflict of interests.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Osamafune on October 16, 2007, 10:41:02 PM
"I don't think we're talking about forcing anything upon Xyrael. Like I said, they wouldn't accept it anyway. But like you, I don't think we should force anything upon them."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Collatica on October 17, 2007, 12:44:30 AM
"I cannot say I am entirely convinced that this requires any kind of IPO intervention at this time, diplomatic or not."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Aquatoria on October 17, 2007, 03:07:01 AM
I agree with the Delfian Ipod. We should wait to host a summit. Perhaps after we find out whether or not the rest of the population want revolution and freedom. But I would like a summit held. I suggest we send telegrams to the two revolutionary governments and tell them we will only support them if that is what the rest of the population wants.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Khem on October 17, 2007, 06:13:27 AM
Myer had been quietly puffing on her pipe while the others were speaking. to listen is to understand, and any bad points will only dig them deeper into a hole of which the only way out is to follow my idea's. she listened to the other representatives and poured tea for all new comers. finaly though she felt it was her time to speak.

"well it would just be good to try and convince both parties to have a sit down before things get out of hand. surely no one can object to at least attempting to get negotiations going between both sides?"

Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 17, 2007, 12:51:01 PM
"Yes, we should do it."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Pachamama on October 17, 2007, 02:57:42 PM
Minister Yar had been appointed Terrangars representative ate the IPO only two days ago and already the first meeting was in session. He was about an hour late and had skipped breakfast.
There was a last minute meeting with his government about making Terrangar the place of the IPO HQ and he had been called away for this meeting.
Everything seemed to come in at once. The damn traffic accident had put him in the hospital for almost 2 weeks and now everything was flooding in over his head.
He took a deep breath before he entered the meeting room.
"Ladies and gentlemen please excuse me for being so late. I ask your forgiveness but I would like to call for a short recess to get over the protocol of this meeting so far.
Thank you."
He took his seat as a secretary handed him a copy of the meetings protocol.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Rabarac on October 17, 2007, 03:36:06 PM
(OOC:  Are observer nations invited?  If not, just ignore this)

A Foreign Advocate of Rabarac named Claudius Brahms arrived seemingly unnoticed.  After all, Rabarac was an observer nation and had no vote in the assembly of the IPO.  An aide handed him a brief of the situation which he skimmed while listening to the various proposals from the assembled delegates.  Upon completion he took the opportunity to offer something, "If there is debate about the extent of the situation, the IPO can assemble and dispatch a small commission to get a more perfect knowledge of the extent, if any, of human rights violations and the assets and grievances of both parties.  If the commission recommends that the IPO mediate the conflict, then the IPO can host public, mediated debate between the two parties, and possibly offer incentives to one or both parties in what form the IPO decides would be appropriate towards a peaceful resolution where the two parties compromise for the benefit of all.  However, if you offer incentives to one nation to be better, I suppose other nations might get the idea that they can act obnoxiously and expect what amounts to a bribe from the IPO, but it still seems like a viable solution to me."  Brahms contemplated all the holes in his proposal, wondering which might be brought up first.

Edit:  Oops, Terrangar snuck a post in.  Uh, well, we could pretend this happened before Minister Yar arrived?
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Pachamama on October 17, 2007, 05:33:24 PM
Talman Yar cleared his throat.
“ If I may have a word honored delegates.
Also he is here only as a observer I agree with Mr Brahms up to a point.
I would say that we ask the parties involved to the table for talks to resolve the differences. On another level of this conflict we should send observers, clearly visible as IPO members but unarmed to ascertain probable violations against human rights.
They should be given access to military prisons and civilian areas under control by the involved parties armed forces.
After they have filed a report we may make a more informed decision.
But we should NOT in my opinion offer anything except a change for a peaceful solution to this conflict for the reasons Mr. Brahms states at the end.
We may to that end provide assistance on a merely advisory level, giving a third perspective to the parties involved.
Also I think the IPO should not interfere in any conflict until we are asked to by one or more of the parties involved.
The IPO should however reserve the right to interfere on behalf of civilians and POW`s referring to their human rights.”
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Khem on October 17, 2007, 06:01:24 PM
Myer looked at Yar with a cocked eyebrow. This man seems to not even want to try....

 "but do you not believe that we should attempt to further diplomacy in the name of preventing further violence in any conflict? i agree that our main goal should be to protect human rights and tending to those harmed by such conflicts. yet i feel if we can get a good diplomatic resolution to a conflict earlier we will have far less work in healing the wounds of war. does this idea not appeal to you?"
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 17, 2007, 06:11:56 PM
Tai's cellphone went off, the ringtone was assigned to his secretary in Anyia.

"Hello..."

"What? They did?"
...
"...yeah, alright..."
...
"When is he coming?"
...
"Alright, I'll be sure to let him in."

Tai putted his cellphone away and continue listening to the fervor of talk in the conference room.

ooc: Yes observers are allow, but to observe only
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Pachamama on October 17, 2007, 06:20:05 PM
"Agreed" Yar nodded.
"But we do not yet have a charter and no voting system in this organization and we should not storm ahead without a legitimation agreed upon and given by all members.
And naturally we should look for a diplomatic solution, but it must be understood - in my opinion- that such a solution without the consent and the WILL of the involved parties will in the long run not yield anything.
It is not our will towards peace that is on the table here but the will of the involved parties.
If they go against us because they feel we forced ourselves on them than we would gain nothing.
Also we should in anyway first access the situation as good as we can before we make a decision on a weak foundation build from lacking information."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 17, 2007, 06:23:21 PM
Yuri: "Very well, we're doing some progresses, since it's a constitutional objective of this organization to protect human rights, which includes human lives, we must act quickly, and i will go there myself if we need to."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Pachamama on October 17, 2007, 06:52:17 PM
"We should act quickly but we should not rush this either.
What we need is quite a number of observers and they should have a military or even better police background. They should be able to spot what the opposing sides  may try and hide from us.
Sometimes they will have advanced knowledge of our arrival and we can not prevent that.
So all that may lead to a torture camp or mass grave may be hints that the observers need to spot.
We need a realistic view of the intensity of this conflict.
On the diplomatic level I would like to volunteer also."
Yar took his cell phone while he waited for the delegates to react.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 17, 2007, 07:00:42 PM
ooc: Did you guys even read my memo? How did they turn into a talk about intervention, when it was suppose to be a talk about recognition???
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 17, 2007, 07:03:26 PM
"No, we just need an inside observation and a meeting, no need for any other formalities

ooc: no
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Osamafune on October 17, 2007, 08:18:54 PM
"I think Yar has a point. Maybe we should put everything to the side until a charter is in place? Besides, we came here to discuss the subject of recognizing Gelibolu. We did not come here to discuss any thing else or make up a plan to do anything. Recognizing their government is nothing Collosea intends to do any time soon."

<ooc>I did, but everyone else had been talking about this when I got here. Guess I'll try getting people back on topic... </ooc>
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 17, 2007, 10:29:35 PM
Yuri: "New Delfos will not recognize anything before an observation that we will make if IPO doesn't do it by itself, and New Delfos will want to hear Xyraeli leader. Only then New Delfos will be able to judge wether or not to recognize the independence of Gelibolu or any other Xyraeli colony."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Collatica on October 17, 2007, 11:23:50 PM
"Collatica will not recognise any claim made by the Gelibolu rebels, nor even consider to participate in any international intervention until we have heard from an IPO commission, of which we wish some Latican experts to be members."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 17, 2007, 11:44:25 PM
"I think this argument has gone on enough, I am adjourning this meeting till next week."

Tia got out from his seat to stretch.

"Now, is anyone hungry? You might want to try out Loyanese cuisine before we get transfer to Terranger headquarters..."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 18, 2007, 12:10:10 AM
"Alright, I'm up for it, and I've brought Delfian Wine gift for us all. Courtesy of New Delfos Supreme Council."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 18, 2007, 12:46:42 AM
The Ipods left the conference room, and Tia switched off the lights and closed the door behind him. As he and Yuri walked down the lively streets of Na Sui, he saw the faces of smiling schoolgirls and university freshmen. Their thoughts were far from the horrid wars and conflicts that were happening right now in the world. After a long day of school and work, they were just enjoying the peace and prosperity of the city, secure in the thought their families and friends were safe from bombs and bullets. It was this peace that he, a government official, had to protect. And as an Ipod, it was also up to him to allow others, not just Loyanese, to enjoy that luxury as well.     
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Xyrael on October 25, 2007, 07:55:49 PM
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Imperial Communication

His Divinity is aware of the Gallipoli Question currently being discussed by the IPO. His Most Charitable Excellency wishes to make clear that the Gallipoli are residents of the Empire of Xyrael, and as such are subject to every law instituted by His Insightful Majesty. As such, the Empire has commited no crimes against their human dignity or life, and wishes to stress that any discussion of intervention will serve only to turn the Empire against the IPO.

He wishes instead to bring to the attention of the IPO the Moacian-Ozian Conflict. Should the IPO wish to discuss conflict, then it should concern itself with real matters. The Esteemed Sovereign of the Eternal Land of Xyrael is disgusted with the fact that this International Peace Organization has not yet observed the use of biological warfare against Moacian citizens. The Empire of Xyrael will handle this problem as we see fit, but requests humanitarian aid be provided to alleviate the plight of the Moacians. The Empire has noted that the biological agent was an extremely large application of potent anthrax to a river source. This river has infected the most fertile farmlands of Moacia, and the Empire has unknowingly delivered several infected shipments of grain to the esteemed nation of Loyan. The Empire has taken steps to ensure that further spread of this agent are contained, but requires supplies of food to ensure that the citizenry do not starve or thirst.

Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Aquatoria on October 25, 2007, 07:58:43 PM
Though I don't like it, I have to agree with thr Xyraeli government. We need to be less concerned with the separatists and we need to discuss how we are going to deal with this....biological agent. And we need to act quickly.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 25, 2007, 08:52:49 PM
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TO: Esteemed Sovereign of the Eternal Land of Xyrael
From: Ipod of New Delfos, Yuri Papovish.

The Ipod and government of New Delfos want to invite His Divinity for a meeting in Boyengrado, or if you could kindly invite our Ipod to visit your motherland. This meeting is to inform our government and IPO Delegate about the confronts in your colonies and their threats to your sovereignty.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Union on October 25, 2007, 09:14:57 PM
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General Order
Issue by the Ipod of Loyan

As administrative head of IPO, I have imposed temporary sanctions against Moacia in face of it's recent use of biological agents against civilians. No member of IPO is allow to supply capital or any sorts of product or service to these criminals for any reason.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Prydania on October 26, 2007, 11:20:51 PM
"Perfect, thanks chap"
Ian Blaine, His Imperial Majesty's Ambassador to the IPO, pulled a £10 note from his pocket and handed it to the workman who had just hung the portrait of HIM George VII behind his new desk. Overall he liked his new IPO office.
It was a little bland, only the Union Jack flag and the portrait, as well as the coat of arms added to the front of the door, were distinctively Inglo-Scotian. 
Still, the room felt right for what it was suppose to be, a neutral place.

He wasn't entirely happy with his new position, however. Apparently he would be an "Ipod" instead of an Ambassador. He wasn't exactly sure what "Ipod" meant.

None the less he had work to do.

He noticed an icon on his computer screen that read "Internal Ipod Connection."
After accessing it he realized it was a network connected to all the Ipods, a way to issue statements when the assembly wasn't meeting....

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TO: Representatives of IPO-affiliated states
From: His Imperial Majesty's Ambassador to the International Peace Organization, Ian Blaine

It is the wish of His Imperial Majesty's government that the IPO take immediate action to raise sanctions against the Empire of Xyrael, and recognize the independence of both the Gallipoli and Ozian states.
I have obtained transcripts of the general assembly's discussion of these matters and I believe I speak for His Imperial Majesty and his government when I say it's time to stop playing cards with human lives.
While the possibilities of neutral observers are discussed, as Ipods squabble over the realities of the Xyraeli government's crimes against humanity, more and more innocents die.
The time for action is now. I pray the majority of IPO nations come to see the excessive brutality that exists within the Xyraeli regime.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Pachamama on October 26, 2007, 11:54:31 PM
To The Esteemed Sovereign of the Eternal Land of Xyrael
Relayed trough Talman Yar Terrangan Delegate to IPO

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To:The Esteemed Sovereign of the Eternal Land of Xyrael
From: Dr Moccha Chairman of IHAO

It has come to our organizations attention that the country of Moacia has been the place of an Anthrax outbreak.
We would like to offer our assistance in fighting this disease.
We request information of the current situation to prepare humanitarian aid but are willing to send  first assistance in the form of doctors and medical equipment, as well as drugs, food and water purification equipment.
As we have no contact trough a embassy of your country or that of Moacia we have relayed this message trough our IPO delegate.


To: The IPO Delegate from Loyan
From Terrangan IPO DelegateTalman Yar

Your honor.
I request that the ban against Moacia is lifted in the case of the IHAO to give humanitarian assistance to the civilians victimized by the deployment of biological agents.
Also I ask for permission to send a small group of IPO observers to Moacia.
Please contact me on this matter.

Thank you very much.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Cantr on October 29, 2007, 03:36:33 PM
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To: All Ipods
From: Liu Hanshen, Ipod of Cantr

I am not yet willing to take sides on the issue of Xyrael's potentially oppressive and brutal government, but for the sake of discussion, let us assume that the worst of their accusations are completely true and that they are abusing nearly every human right IPO's current charter supposedly protects.  If Xyrael's acts against humanity prove to be true, will we continue to suffer their presence in IPO?
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Pachamama on October 29, 2007, 05:30:45 PM
To: All Ipods
From: Talman Yar , IPOD of Terrangar

Instead of basing decisions and actions on mere  assumptions we should do what a organization like ours is supposed to do.
Sending in neutral observers from member countries to gather evidence.

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OOC If you don't know what observer means check here

A delegate in an organization that is sent to observe and report on the proceedings of an assembly or a meeting but that can not vote or otherwise participate.
Or in our case
A delegate in an organization that is sent to observe and report on the proceedings of an armed conflict. but that can not interfere on behalf of any side.

So sorry. No guns here, But free transport in brightly colored cars for everyone.
And field glasses, oh and cameras.
Yep
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Prydania on October 29, 2007, 06:37:33 PM
To: All IPODS
From: Ian Blaine, IPOD of the Empire of Inglo-Scotia

Why waste human life? Why gamble away the lives of more innocent Gallipoli and Ozians, to preserve the notion of diplomacy? While we play these foolish games the tyrannical Xyraeli regime kills more and more innocents.
I again repeat the request from His Imperial Majesty's government that the IPO recognize the independence of the Gallipoli and Ozian states, and enact sanctions against the Empire of Xyrael.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Cantr on October 29, 2007, 07:29:13 PM
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To: All Ipods
From: Liu Hanshen

I support the recognition of the rebel states but am hesitant to support taking action against Xyrael.  However, if we do take action to save the lives of innocents, we must be willing to do whatever it takes, even if that means invasion.  We cannot do this half-way.  We must either be ready to commit totally or not commit at all.  This, primarily, is why I am hesitant to intervene in Xyrael.  The Cantr Wars are not yet a year old, and I am loathe to support any military action.

Nonetheless, Cantr will never hold its own well-being so high as to ignore the blood of a million innocent martyrs for the sake of our own peace.  I will not act until I know that Xyrael has committed these crimes.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Pachamama on October 29, 2007, 07:41:53 PM
Dear IPOD'S
I hate going on like a broken record.
Terrangar will NOT support any move against Xyrael until the matter is investigated by the IPO first.
Only when there is proof that the accusations brought forward are true will we change this decision according to fact not fiction.
We will not blindly support any action of any kind based on assumptions and presumptions alone.
In the time we discuss this we already could have assembled a team of observers and send them to gather information on which to base our actions.
Also Terrangar will not support the notion of IPO being used to fight wars of independence for others.
This decision is final and will enter any further vote .
I ask those assembled here to support the deployment of observers to gather facts.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Osamafune on October 29, 2007, 08:21:20 PM
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To: All IPODs
From: Bakoyannis VI, IPOD of the Collosean Federation

The IPO is not a tool to fight other people's wars. If it was, we should be deploying to Canada right now. Most IPO members either voted against or abstained in that vote.

Collosea will not give recognition to any of the Xyraeli territories any time soon and will not support any kind of intervention.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Cantr on October 30, 2007, 01:15:52 AM
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From: Liu Hanshen
To: All Ipods

I am in agreement with Terrangar.  We should first send an investigation team.  If the IPO will not do this, then I will collaborate with Terrangar and any other willing nations to do it myself.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Democratic States of America on October 30, 2007, 03:49:38 PM
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TO: All IPODs
FROM: Samuel Jefferson, IPOD of the Democratic States

The internal policies of the Empire of Xyrael are the business of Xyrael and Xyrael alone. When did dictating the terms of how a nation should govern itself become a principal of the IPO?
Not only should this organization disregard the Inglo-Scotian IPOD's ridiculous call to conflict, but I call for the IPO to cease any discussion to send observers to Xyrael or its colonies.
It is not the IPO's place to dictate terms of governance to independent and sovereign states.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Pachamama on October 30, 2007, 04:23:33 PM
To: Samuel Jefferson, IPOD of the Democratic States
From: Talman Yar, IPO Delegate of Terrangar

It is as you may be well aware the sole purpose of this organization to promote peace and assist waring nations as a third and neutral party in finding diplomatic, non-violent ways to solve there conflicts.
As such we are an outside party to any conflict as we could not keep our neutrality and third person view to help other countries in any other way.
As such it should be clear that IPO involvment is always and outside involvment, this si why we confer with both sides of the conflict.
In regard to the government of Xyrael I assure you that we will contact them on any decision beforehand and send observers in conjunction with their government.
As you are well educated to show us what we can not do, then maybe you might enlighten us as to how we should proceed.
However I ask you to wait until the IPO has made a decision as a whole body on how to proceed in this matter and after we have contacted the Xyraeli government on this decision.
Also I would like to inform you that Xyrael is a member of IPO so I believe we should hear what the Xyrael delegate has to say in this matter.
As far as I have the honor to personally know the Xyraeli delegate he seems. at least to me, quite able to speak for himself on behalf of his government.
But I may stand corrected by you on this matter.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 30, 2007, 04:37:38 PM
ooc: this is supposed to be a meeting, not a mail box.

ic: The Empire of Xyrael is a member of this organization. If there is a continuous violation of human rights I propose severe sanctions. But until this violations and this rebels aren't taken in judgment, New Delfos and the IPO Delegates of ND will be against any sanctions or any recognition. Yes we do waste time on diplomacy, but I rather a diplomacy that works and ends the conflict than actions that will probably only make it worse. We cannot be, as organization, "dictating the terms of how a nation should govern". We can suggest, and as a group of civilized nations we must find a way for peace and inclusion, not a way for war and exclusion.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Pachamama on October 30, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
Minister Yar took is cellphone.
"Please excuse me it seems important"
He listened to the phone for several minutes, then he closed it to return it to his pocket.
He stood up from his seat looking at the DSA delegate.
"Your honor Mister Jefferson.
I have just been informed that your nation declared war on the CSSD. So maybe your concern did not lie with Xyrael's independence but with fear of possible IPO interference in your country's decision to wage war.
You wanted us to take back our involvement in Xyrael so we would not involve ourselves with your aggression against another nation.
I ask you to comment on this.
Is this the DSA's view of the IPO?
Are you here to tell us what we can not do so you can go with your war unhindered?
I must say that I am ashamed that a delegate of this organization would hide his intentions behind a foreign nations alleged interest's."
Yar sat down still looking at the DSA delegate.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Cantr on October 30, 2007, 06:35:10 PM
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To: All Ipods
From: Liu Hanshen
Do you really expect Mr. Jefferson to act against the best interests of his nation for this flimsy organization whose purpose is, as yet, utterly undefined?  That is ludicrously optimistic and naive.  If we had an actual, solid charter that dictated when we get involved in a nations business it would be one thing.  But we do not.

OOC: The meeting was adjourned some time ago.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 30, 2007, 08:34:15 PM
"This organization's purpose is hugely defined by it's tittle, world-wide peace. And members that violate this with unjustified actions must be punished. But this is about Separatism over Xyraeli colonies. Keep it that way."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Cantr on October 30, 2007, 08:38:58 PM
Peace?  If all we wanted was peace then Canada would be expelled from the IPO.  Because he has chosen to resist Dysanii's invasion there has been a war.  Since Dysanii is not a part of IPO we cannot affect his actions.  But by not lying down and letting Dysanii walk all over him, Canada has caused a war.

There must be more to our objective than peace, else we subject ourselves to a tyranny.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 30, 2007, 08:45:55 PM
"A new meeting is at agenda, please attend to that meeting to discuss any matter of war."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Aquatoria on October 30, 2007, 09:18:28 PM
Expel me! For defending and protecting my people, for doing exactly what the government is supposed to do! You accept me to let Dysanii destroy my nation and kill millions of my people which he is doing. He is killing civilians. I tell you this. I am not a nieghbor who allows those around me to subjagate my people and kill those who have never done nothing wrong. If you think this is how nations should respond to threats and attacks, then may God be with you and your nation because only he will be able to save your nation if this happens to you. I will not bow to tyrannts, dictators or despots.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Pachamama on October 30, 2007, 10:09:26 PM
"I agree with the Canadian delegate.
Obviously our delegate from Cantr was trying to say something differently. Maybe he can explain what he exactly meant by that statement. Hopefully not what the words propose it would mean.
Obviously even a blind man can "see" that Dysanii is not only the Agressor here but also an agressor without the slightest reason"

ooc: Canada could you respond to my letter at your embassy?
If you can find the time. Thank you.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on October 30, 2007, 10:27:19 PM
http://forum.taijitu.org/ipo/ipo-meeting-members-at-war/new/#new <- discuss that matter here for our sake
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Prydania on November 01, 2007, 04:52:36 PM
Ian Blair stood up.
"I present the IPO with this document, the declaration of independence of the Gallipoli state. His Imperial Majesty's Government hopes to cite this document in all present and future discussions regarding the human rights abuses committed by the Xyraeli government."
Blair's aid pulled a file from his briefcase, containing multiple copies of the document. He proceeded to hand one to every IPOD present.

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Declaration of the Corlu General Strike, and for the Independence of Gelibolu
The Davet 'in Isciler

The Davet 'in Isciler, organizer and representative of the people of Gelibolu, wishes to take this opportunity to explain the grievences that this people has developed against the Xyraeli imperial administration.  This document is not meant to be a petition to the Xyraelis to change their methods, for any such consessions may be all too easily rescinded.  It is a statement of how they have failed, and how they always will fail, to satisfy the needs of the people of this country, and why this country must forge its own way in the region.  Nor is it a document preaching racial or religious hatred, for this is not a national or regligious revolt, though there are certainly elements of national and religious oppression present in the Xyraeli imperial system.  As shown by its beginning in the industrial town of Corlu, this strike and revolt is of the isciler, of the masses of workers finally tired of all they have been put through.

The abuses of the Xyraeli imperial administration have been many and varied, and only a few of their offenses are enumerated below.  These offenses are simply the most egregious of the lot, as any comprehensive list would stretch longer than the kilometers of roadway in Istanbul.  The paper it would be printed on would sink any ship out of Marmara Eregli.  The mills of Corlu would wear out their presses printing such a list.  Their abuses include:

  • A plundering of the land, meant to serve their own economy and with the natural consequence of depriving eight million people of the resources of their land, and of the products of their hands;
  • Profiteering at the expense of the workers, which has led to unsafe workplaces in which many are killed each year;
  • Restrictions on freedom of movement by means of ID cards, curfews, and military checkpoints;
  • Restrictions on privacy by similar means;
  • Suppression of native political parties, including the Davet 'in Isciler, with the object of taming the people politically to the wiles of the Xyraeli imperial family;
  • Active State support for the Illuminist religion, and punishment for outspoken proponents of other religions;
  • And finally, an unwarrented military assault on the people of Istanbul, causing many deaths and the wanton destruction of people's homes and livelyhoods.

It is in protest of these abuses that the Davet 'in Isciler has called this general strike in Corlu, and that the people of Corlu have responded.  The strike will not end until our demands, for full and complete independence from the Empire of Xyrael, and the recognition of our independence by the family of nations, have been met.  For this moment the people of this city and the Davet representing them do not take recourse to armed violence, but we stand ever vigilant to defend ourselves if threatened.

We encourage other Districts, towns, and cities of Gelibolu to follow the example of the people of Corlu, and call on them to join us in our struggle for a democratic, Councilist republic, the highest principle of which shall be: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Pachamama on November 01, 2007, 05:36:22 PM
Dekegate Yar looked up from the document.
"All of these accusations can easily be proven right or false by sending a group of observers. most of these accusations, if right, can hardly be hidden from sight.
So I would like to ask the Xyraeli delegate if he would give permission for the IPO to send observers to this region.
Also we should contact the ones who produced this document. See if we can get this done trough diplomatic channels.
As the IPO is a multinational organization they could bring forth their grievances on neutral ground and safe from repercussions."

He leaned back in his chair and waited for the storm to roll in.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Osamafune on November 01, 2007, 07:24:17 PM
Keep in mind that rebels are likely to say anything to try and get support and sympathy for their cause. Besides, some of those abuses are necessary when your sovereignty is at stake.

Has any proof been gathered of these events happening?

Until observers are sent in or evidence is produced, we choose to believe none of it.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on November 01, 2007, 07:44:29 PM
"We only see one of the points violating human rights, the last one, and it can be easily interpreted as an attack to rebels that try to destroy Xyraeli sovereignty. All this points are arguable as civil rights violation, very serious ones if those were made in New Delfos. We do wish to end the suffering of the Gelibolu people, either from the reconciliation with the Empire of Xyrael or the Independence of the Gelibolu, but until we have prooves of such violations we cannot judge anything. And even if we can, we must find a way to solve this diplomatically, efforts are being made for that to happen."
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Xyrael on November 02, 2007, 03:12:25 PM
Fellow members of the IPO, imagine with me for a moment. Imagine someone in your land, rightfully governed for more centuries than you can remember, decides to declare himself independent. Imagine they start a movement which kills your soldiers, which kills your police, and endangers the innocent both "of their ethnicity" and of your nation. I would construe these men as self-serving, power hungry individuals who use ethnic self determination as a facade for anarchy. How are we to define what an ethnic group is? How are we to prevent any man from declaring himself independent of a nation? Where do we set this precedent?

Please, realize the importance of stability. Must every nation sacrifice it's dignity at the call of some madmen with a hollow ideal of nationalist pride covering a truly malevolent intention?

As for the Pachamama delegate, the Imperial Illuminate will allow IPO observers to the following districts: Istanbul, Kirkareli, Edirne. Mounting instability within the Tekirdag district leads us to believe that these men have set up their headquarters here. If you wish to judge the character of the Gallipoli people as subjects of the Empire, and as individuals in their own right, then you need only to examine the moderates. Radicals have no place in governance.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Cantr on November 02, 2007, 03:31:29 PM
Xyrael presents a good case...it's one thing to support rebels fighting tyranny, and quite another to encourage anarchists creating tyranny.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Aquatoria on November 02, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
I also have to agree with the Xyraelis in the meaning that if say for example the Cree or the Quebecois of my empire decided to revolt, I would probably do exactly what the Xyraelis are doing to keep the peace.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Zimmerwald on November 02, 2007, 08:30:54 PM
OOC: If you didn't read the document, just say so, and don't make an ass of yourself.  It explicitly says that what is happening in Gelibolu is not a national liberation movement.  Relevent passages are emboldened.

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This document is not meant to be a petition to the Xyraelis to change their methods, for any such consessions may be all too easily rescinded.  It is a statement of how they have failed, and how they always will fail, to satisfy the needs of the people of this country, and why this country must forge its own way in the region.  Nor is it a document preaching racial or religious hatred, for this is not a national or regligious revolt, though there are certainly elements of national and religious oppression present in the Xyraeli imperial system.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Osamafune on November 02, 2007, 09:35:04 PM
How can it NOT be a national liberation movement? You declared independence and are trying to expell the Xyraelis! Dispite the reasonings behind it, it's quite obvious that it's a national liberation movement. So nothing has changed Xyrael from bringing up a good and valid point.

I have yet to see any evidence of any of what you claim happening. For this reason, Collosea is still supporting the proposal of sending observers to the revolting Xyraeli territories.



Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on November 02, 2007, 09:48:56 PM
As soon we have enough coordinators and observers we will send them to Xyrael, please apply them in the IPO - Diplomacy Bureau.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Zimmerwald on November 02, 2007, 10:31:27 PM
How can it NOT be a national liberation movement? You declared independence and are trying to expell the Xyraelis! Dispite the reasonings behind it, it's quite obvious that it's a national liberation movement. So nothing has changed Xyrael from bringing up a good and valid point.

I have yet to see any evidence of any of what you claim happening. For this reason, Collosea is still supporting the proposal of sending observers to the revolting Xyraeli territories.
Remark is ignored as it is a response to a clearly OOC comment.
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Delfos on November 02, 2007, 11:29:54 PM
ooc: your blame, you're the one that jumps in with OOC comment. Please are interpreting your document as a rebellion against Xyraeli sovereignty or something close to that, if you don't want us to think that way please come and explain yourself. I will kidnap your rebellion leader to justify here if necessary. send someone...!
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Osamafune on November 02, 2007, 11:46:06 PM
How can it NOT be a national liberation movement? You declared independence and are trying to expell the Xyraelis! Dispite the reasonings behind it, it's quite obvious that it's a national liberation movement. So nothing has changed Xyrael from bringing up a good and valid point.

I have yet to see any evidence of any of what you claim happening. For this reason, Collosea is still supporting the proposal of sending observers to the revolting Xyraeli territories.
Remark is ignored as it is a response to a clearly OOC comment.
<ooc>Then I'll ignore your ooc comment for the lie contained therein unless you can prove what I have said to be untrue.</ooc>
Title: Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
Post by: Zimmerwald on November 02, 2007, 11:50:49 PM
OOC: Perhaps this could be moved to an OOC discussion thread?

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Then I'll ignore your ooc comment for the lie contained therein unless you can prove what I have said to be untrue
You're misconstruing my comment.  I ignored this comment "How can it NOT be a national liberation movement? You declared independence and are trying to expell the Xyraelis! Dispite the reasonings behind it, it's quite obvious that it's a national liberation movement. So nothing has changed Xyrael from bringing up a good and valid point.

I have yet to see any evidence of any of what you claim happening. For this reason, Collosea is still supporting the proposal of sending observers to the revolting Xyraeli territories." because it was an IC response to an OOC post.