IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu

[Delfos]

ooc: this is supposed to be a meeting, not a mail box.

ic: The Empire of Xyrael is a member of this organization. If there is a continuous violation of human rights I propose severe sanctions. But until this violations and this rebels aren't taken in judgment, New Delfos and the IPO Delegates of ND will be against any sanctions or any recognition. Yes we do waste time on diplomacy, but I rather a diplomacy that works and ends the conflict than actions that will probably only make it worse. We cannot be, as organization, "dictating the terms of how a nation should govern". We can suggest, and as a group of civilized nations we must find a way for peace and inclusion, not a way for war and exclusion.

[Pachamama]

Minister Yar took is cellphone.
"Please excuse me it seems important"
He listened to the phone for several minutes, then he closed it to return it to his pocket.
He stood up from his seat looking at the DSA delegate.
"Your honor Mister Jefferson.
I have just been informed that your nation declared war on the CSSD. So maybe your concern did not lie with Xyrael's independence but with fear of possible IPO interference in your country's decision to wage war.
You wanted us to take back our involvement in Xyrael so we would not involve ourselves with your aggression against another nation.
I ask you to comment on this.
Is this the DSA's view of the IPO?
Are you here to tell us what we can not do so you can go with your war unhindered?
I must say that I am ashamed that a delegate of this organization would hide his intentions behind a foreign nations alleged interest's."
Yar sat down still looking at the DSA delegate.

[Cantr]

To: All Ipods
From: Liu Hanshen
Do you really expect Mr. Jefferson to act against the best interests of his nation for this flimsy organization whose purpose is, as yet, utterly undefined?  That is ludicrously optimistic and naive.  If we had an actual, solid charter that dictated when we get involved in a nations business it would be one thing.  But we do not.

OOC: The meeting was adjourned some time ago.

[Delfos]

"This organization's purpose is hugely defined by it's tittle, world-wide peace. And members that violate this with unjustified actions must be punished. But this is about Separatism over Xyraeli colonies. Keep it that way."

[Cantr]

Peace?  If all we wanted was peace then Canada would be expelled from the IPO.  Because he has chosen to resist Dysanii's invasion there has been a war.  Since Dysanii is not a part of IPO we cannot affect his actions.  But by not lying down and letting Dysanii walk all over him, Canada has caused a war.

There must be more to our objective than peace, else we subject ourselves to a tyranny.

[Delfos]

"A new meeting is at agenda, please attend to that meeting to discuss any matter of war."

[Aquatoria]

Expel me! For defending and protecting my people, for doing exactly what the government is supposed to do! You accept me to let Dysanii destroy my nation and kill millions of my people which he is doing. He is killing civilians. I tell you this. I am not a nieghbor who allows those around me to subjagate my people and kill those who have never done nothing wrong. If you think this is how nations should respond to threats and attacks, then may God be with you and your nation because only he will be able to save your nation if this happens to you. I will not bow to tyrannts, dictators or despots.

[Pachamama]

"I agree with the Canadian delegate.
Obviously our delegate from Cantr was trying to say something differently. Maybe he can explain what he exactly meant by that statement. Hopefully not what the words propose it would mean.
Obviously even a blind man can "see" that Dysanii is not only the Agressor here but also an agressor without the slightest reason"

ooc: Canada could you respond to my letter at your embassy?
If you can find the time. Thank you.

[Delfos]

http://forum.taijitu.org/ipo/ipo-meeting-members-at-war/new/#new <- discuss that matter here for our sake

[Prydania]

Ian Blair stood up.
"I present the IPO with this document, the declaration of independence of the Gallipoli state. His Imperial Majesty's Government hopes to cite this document in all present and future discussions regarding the human rights abuses committed by the Xyraeli government."
Blair's aid pulled a file from his briefcase, containing multiple copies of the document. He proceeded to hand one to every IPOD present.

Declaration of the Corlu General Strike, and for the Independence of Gelibolu
The Davet 'in Isciler

The Davet 'in Isciler, organizer and representative of the people of Gelibolu, wishes to take this opportunity to explain the grievences that this people has developed against the Xyraeli imperial administration.  This document is not meant to be a petition to the Xyraelis to change their methods, for any such consessions may be all too easily rescinded.  It is a statement of how they have failed, and how they always will fail, to satisfy the needs of the people of this country, and why this country must forge its own way in the region.  Nor is it a document preaching racial or religious hatred, for this is not a national or regligious revolt, though there are certainly elements of national and religious oppression present in the Xyraeli imperial system.  As shown by its beginning in the industrial town of Corlu, this strike and revolt is of the isciler, of the masses of workers finally tired of all they have been put through.

The abuses of the Xyraeli imperial administration have been many and varied, and only a few of their offenses are enumerated below.  These offenses are simply the most egregious of the lot, as any comprehensive list would stretch longer than the kilometers of roadway in Istanbul.  The paper it would be printed on would sink any ship out of Marmara Eregli.  The mills of Corlu would wear out their presses printing such a list.  Their abuses include:

• A plundering of the land, meant to serve their own economy and with the natural consequence of depriving eight million people of the resources of their land, and of the products of their hands;
• Profiteering at the expense of the workers, which has led to unsafe workplaces in which many are killed each year;
• Restrictions on freedom of movement by means of ID cards, curfews, and military checkpoints;
• Restrictions on privacy by similar means;
• Suppression of native political parties, including the Davet 'in Isciler, with the object of taming the people politically to the wiles of the Xyraeli imperial family;
• Active State support for the Illuminist religion, and punishment for outspoken proponents of other religions;
• And finally, an unwarrented military assault on the people of Istanbul, causing many deaths and the wanton destruction of people's homes and livelyhoods.

It is in protest of these abuses that the Davet 'in Isciler has called this general strike in Corlu, and that the people of Corlu have responded.  The strike will not end until our demands, for full and complete independence from the Empire of Xyrael, and the recognition of our independence by the family of nations, have been met.  For this moment the people of this city and the Davet representing them do not take recourse to armed violence, but we stand ever vigilant to defend ourselves if threatened.

We encourage other Districts, towns, and cities of Gelibolu to follow the example of the people of Corlu, and call on them to join us in our struggle for a democratic, Councilist republic, the highest principle of which shall be: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

[Pachamama]

Dekegate Yar looked up from the document.
"All of these accusations can easily be proven right or false by sending a group of observers. most of these accusations, if right, can hardly be hidden from sight.
So I would like to ask the Xyraeli delegate if he would give permission for the IPO to send observers to this region.
Also we should contact the ones who produced this document. See if we can get this done trough diplomatic channels.
As the IPO is a multinational organization they could bring forth their grievances on neutral ground and safe from repercussions."

He leaned back in his chair and waited for the storm to roll in.

[Osamafune]

Keep in mind that rebels are likely to say anything to try and get support and sympathy for their cause. Besides, some of those abuses are necessary when your sovereignty is at stake.

Has any proof been gathered of these events happening?

Until observers are sent in or evidence is produced, we choose to believe none of it.

[Delfos]

"We only see one of the points violating human rights, the last one, and it can be easily interpreted as an attack to rebels that try to destroy Xyraeli sovereignty. All this points are arguable as civil rights violation, very serious ones if those were made in New Delfos. We do wish to end the suffering of the Gelibolu people, either from the reconciliation with the Empire of Xyrael or the Independence of the Gelibolu, but until we have prooves of such violations we cannot judge anything. And even if we can, we must find a way to solve this diplomatically, efforts are being made for that to happen."

[Xyrael]

Fellow members of the IPO, imagine with me for a moment. Imagine someone in your land, rightfully governed for more centuries than you can remember, decides to declare himself independent. Imagine they start a movement which kills your soldiers, which kills your police, and endangers the innocent both "of their ethnicity" and of your nation. I would construe these men as self-serving, power hungry individuals who use ethnic self determination as a facade for anarchy. How are we to define what an ethnic group is? How are we to prevent any man from declaring himself independent of a nation? Where do we set this precedent?

Please, realize the importance of stability. Must every nation sacrifice it's dignity at the call of some madmen with a hollow ideal of nationalist pride covering a truly malevolent intention?

As for the Pachamama delegate, the Imperial Illuminate will allow IPO observers to the following districts: Istanbul, Kirkareli, Edirne. Mounting instability within the Tekirdag district leads us to believe that these men have set up their headquarters here. If you wish to judge the character of the Gallipoli people as subjects of the Empire, and as individuals in their own right, then you need only to examine the moderates. Radicals have no place in governance.

[Cantr]

Xyrael presents a good case...it's one thing to support rebels fighting tyranny, and quite another to encourage anarchists creating tyranny.