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Title: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Union on January 06, 2008, 06:36:25 AM
On behalf of the Superintendents of the Loyanese Navy, I am filing a complaint against the Validean Navy for their actions against a military vessel of our nation. The ship in question, the L.C.S Mystica, was engaged on the 12th of August, at 19:50 local time in international waters north of Dysanii Proper. While no damage was done and a combat situation was avoided, we are seeking a full explanation from Validus regarding this incident, and possible disciplinary action against Validean personnel responsible.

The following is a testimony by Captain Lens Han, commander of the Mystica:

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My ship was proceeding on a westward course along with the flotilla when the attack happen. the Validean carrier flotilla had been tailing us ever since we enter the Horn of Valhene towards our destination of Vancouver. At 19:45, I had my EOs conduct a diagnostic on our Electronic Warfare System, which missed a system maintenance back in Yaolin. I was aware of the Validean presence at this time, and hence selected a low grade jamming protocol to prevent any disruption to their military systems. Aiding us in the diagnostic was a Sea Hind 256 from the L.C.S Auress commanded by Captain Veng. They were to monitor and measure the emission of our jammer devices. We sped up to isolate ourselves from the rest of the flotilla to prevent any interference in the test.

Four and a half minute into our diagnostic, Sea Hind 256 detected incoming aircraft on it's radar and warned us. We immediately stopped the diagnostic and turned on our air search radar. We tracked two aircraft from the Validean fleet 83 km away, flying at supersonic attack speed directly towards our position. At first, I was unaware of their intentions hence activated our countermeasures. We attempted to hail the Valideans to determine their intentions. We received a reply stating that they were responding to an hostile act by us. At that time, none of our weapon systems were activated. I attempted a second hail, which I received a similar answer to.

Fearing the possibility of attack, I order my Lieutenant to steer the ship's bow towards the direction of the attackers in order to minimize damage from any anti-ship missiles. We promptly transmitted a distress signal from our IPO-regulated transponder, to state our in-hostilities. The Validean aircraft continue to head towards us and flew in an obvious attack pattern. Fearing the worst, I order the ship to be evacuated.

The Valideans did not drop their ordnance on us, but they did paint us with their fire control radar. After passing our ship, they continue to fly in attack pattern around our vessel. I immediately contacted my superiors on satcomm to report the incident. Ten minutes later, the Valideans discontinued their pursuit.
 
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Pachamama on January 21, 2008, 06:24:19 PM
ooc: This is NOT how IPO is intended to work. If I had seen this earlier I would have reacted  faster.

IC

I ask the administration for permission to mediate in this matter between Loyan and Validus.
I propose a meeting of the delegates of both nations to talk about this complaint and look into the possibility to settle it to the satisfaction of both parties involved.
Should administration permit this and if both delegates wish for these talks I ask them to please present any evidence in their case.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Union on January 21, 2008, 07:47:34 PM
We agree to a meeting.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Validus on January 21, 2008, 08:38:56 PM
Late at night the Valideen Ambassador to Delfos was woke by a phone call. "H-h-hello?" he said slightly groggy.

"Mr. Dresdon?" said a young voice on the other side of the phone.

"Yes, who may I ask is calling?"

"I have been told to contact you from my superiors in the Delfos Government. To inform you that that the Loyanese have filed a complaint against your government."

"What?" he said, rubbing his eyes, "About what? With who?"

"It was about the Naval incedent a few weeks ago and it was filed with the IPO."

"The IPO? We dont answer to them. Now good night." he hung up the phone and went back to sleep.

~Thanato
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Pachamama on January 21, 2008, 09:23:09 PM
ooc well that was short, rude and arrogant as expected.  ;D

IC

I am sorry to inform the Loyan delegate that administration has not given a go ahead yet and Validus has refused to react to an invitation.
But IPO will keep your complaint on file for future reference.


On a personal note I would also wish to express my gratitude to Captain Lens Han on his handling of the incident.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Validus on January 21, 2008, 09:27:58 PM
OOC: wasnt it tho, wasnt it. . . just shows how much power the IPO has.

~Thanato
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Pachamama on January 21, 2008, 09:30:49 PM
ooc Shows of how afraid you are of such an organization gaining power and crippling your little "kill 'em all 'cause that's the only RP I can do" world. ::)
And because I feel like using harsh words. Too stupid to even RP a little incident handling it the diplomatic way.

IC I ask the current administration to file this case to the archives
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Feniexia on January 21, 2008, 10:12:10 PM
OOC: @Pacha: Do you mean Project Artemis with the "little incident"? This was more or less planned to escalate, mainly with the goal to work toward a Taijituan world war which many said they would like to RP.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Pachamama on January 21, 2008, 10:26:50 PM
OOC: @Pacha: Do you mean Project Artemis with the "little incident"? This was more or less planned to escalate, mainly with the goal to work toward a Taijituan world war which many said they would like to RP.

Nope this has nothing to do with "Project Artemis".
I am entirely referring to this topic.
Except if this topic has something to do with it which I don't see.
Sorry for any misunderstanding. :-[
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Delfos on January 22, 2008, 03:40:54 AM
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IPO
to:Valideen Government

We would like you to meet with Loyan government to discuss the following complain against your navy.
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On behalf of the Superintendents of the Loyanese Navy, I am filing a complaint against the Validean Navy for their actions against a military vessel of our nation. The ship in question, the L.C.S Mystica, was engaged on the 12th of August, at 19:50 local time in international waters north of Dysanii Proper. While no damage was done and a combat situation was avoided, we are seeking a full explanation from Validus regarding this incident, and possible disciplinary action against Validean personnel responsible.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Validus on January 22, 2008, 04:02:36 AM
To: The IPO
From: Minister of Foreign Affairs Rickson

The incedent in question was done by the unprovoked assault on the Navigation and Communications equipment of Task Force Orion operation north of DYSFOR. We launched four fighter interceptors to investigate the source of the the jamming and it was a lone loyanese vessel. They took up a defensive posture and were manning their weapon stations as our jets did low fly bys to get the nationality of the vessel. We apologize for nothing and this was all done in accordance to our ROEs in the area. Nothing came of the incodent and we would appreciate it if you dropped this.

~Thanato
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Pachamama on January 22, 2008, 11:11:57 AM
The statement given by the Valideen delegate seems in accordance with the information given by the Loyan captain.
It seems clear that the incident was the result of a series of misunderstandings and misinterpretations on both sides.
As both sides handled this incident in a responsible manner no  harm came from it.
If the Loyan delegate is satisfied with the statement from Validus I believe this issue solved.

On another note this shows how easily a incident can be produced.
I would like to propose that in the future any test of EW systems or weapon systems should either be done in territorial waters of that country or if done on open sea all other military vessels within range of such a test should be informed in advance.
What do the involved parties think of this?

Also I would like to ask all involved  to honor the IPO distress signal on future occasions.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Delfos on January 22, 2008, 01:54:17 PM
The administration is appreciating the course of action, if Loyan representatives agree that this was a misunderstanding we should drop the complaint and maybe agree on making more understanding efforts in the future as the Terrangar representative suggests. Unless the Loyanese Navy claims there was damaged property or similar problems, we would like to close the complaint.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Republic of Valhene on January 22, 2008, 05:21:50 PM
wrong account
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Union on January 22, 2008, 07:07:53 PM
To: The IPO
From: Minister of Foreign Affairs Rickson

The incedent in question was done by the unprovoked assault on the Navigation and Communications equipment of Task Force Orion operation north of DYSFOR. We launched four fighter interceptors to investigate the source of the the jamming and it was a lone loyanese vessel. They took up a defensive posture and were manning their weapon stations as our jets did low fly bys to get the nationality of the vessel. We apologize for nothing and this was all done in accordance to our ROEs in the area. Nothing came of the incodent and we would appreciate it if you dropped this.

~Thanato

 You neglect the fact that our IPO standardized transponder was emitting what was clearly our identification and our business. Also, our personnel had no idea that such low graded EM interference sequence would had affected such a "sophisticated" fleet as the Validean Navy. Hence, our interference of your equipment was clearly unintended and accidental. The proper course your officers took should had been to hail our vessel and inquire about the event, and NOT send armed aircraft towards our position.

  Also, at the time of the attack, none of our weapons were manned. I will ask the Validus representative check on his facts before stating them.

  What your people did was clearly a show of military ma'choism, and we demand disciplinary action against your rabble officers.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Pachamama on January 22, 2008, 07:09:39 PM
It seems that the Valideen Navy's equipment is not as advanced as you tought.
Also sending in four aircraft for a recon mission seems overdoing it, the data you provided does not ascertain that those aircraft were armed. Painting your vessel with targeting lasers does not constitute an attack or present a prove of the aircraft in question being armed.
Also we do not know the type and equipment of the Validean aircraft the presence of painting lasers does not prove the presence of weapons.
If you read again trough the report of your very own captain, a man which I am sure knows what he is doing and is well able to put things in order even under stress, you see that he activated the transponder after hailing the Validean vessel and receiving an answer.
I must say that the Validean captain might have been wise to tell him what kind of attack he believed it was.
On the other hand, again keeping in order with your captains document it seems that the Validean broke off their "attack" 10 minutes after the transponder signal was send that-according to your captain "Stated our in - hostilities" but said nothing about the intent of your maneuvers.
To me it seems that in both Navy's cooler heads prevailed. So let us honor the restraint of both Captain's by not blowing this in an international incident on the diplomatic level gentlemen.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Union on January 22, 2008, 08:40:00 PM
ooc: They were carrying weapons :P

Our government will drop the charges provided that such an incident will be resolve more accordingly in the future by trigger happy Validean personnel.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Delfos on January 22, 2008, 11:56:57 PM
ooc: There's allot of things that would mistrust the 'lack of tech' of Val's navy. 1st of all, he's not in the IPO, he would never share his vessel codes with the IPO codes, even if IPO codes are available to anyone. 2nd of all, Loyan is PI while Val is AC, I guess it's quite normal that neither Loyan had our codes nor Val had Loyan codes, so your electronic bs can be heavily discredited. Last of all, you've entered a blockade area controlled by DYSFOR and Canada, no you had no right to trespass without permission, and nothing happened so it wasn't considered an attack, plus the psychological damage done to your "Superintendents" is worthless, unless they gone crasy and need psychological treatment or something.
Try to find some other way to frame Validus.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Union on January 23, 2008, 03:22:42 AM
ooc: Calm down Delfos...I already stood down the charges. In any case, no one but DYSFOR members had recognized your jurisdiction of the blockade area, hence any area outside Dysanii and the 250 km watermark (which even there you have no real claim) would had been international waters in international legality. Claimed ownership of international waters itself is illegal, is it not?

And this is exactly what I'm attempt to reinforce, the illegitimacy of DYSFOR claimed controls of this zone. Your claim is based on the tip of a sword. Framing Validus is only secondary.
Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Validus on January 23, 2008, 11:49:47 PM
To: IPO
From: Validus

The information provided to you by the loyanese Representative is incorrect. We have video images from the cameras on board the aircraft that show the Loyanese running to their guns. We will admit that our Aircraft were armed as two of the fighters were flying the CAP (Combat Air Patrol) and the other two were launched with a standard set of Anti-Ship Weaponry. This was only done after the Flag Ships Counter EW detachment had the target vessel on our charts lighting up like a Christmas tree. And that takes alot of power to cause that and jam our Nav and Comms.

~Thanato

Title: Re: Complaint Against Validean Navy
Post by: Union on January 23, 2008, 11:59:43 PM
ooc: What guns?