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Title: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 04, 2007, 05:52:57 PM: Greetings all honorable members of the International Peace Organization. We of the IVM humbly appear to you today to help us in our campaign of national independence and sanctuary from the imperial agenda of those who have occupied us in force. We hope that you may look past the blunder of our former-central government, and see that Valhene, while weaken, still possesses the spirit of a independent nation, base upon the principles of our founding fathers and Dysaniian democracy.

We wish to progress out from this war with our liberty and way of life intact. We will do this by means of the will of our compatriots, and will not let the hands of unknown foreigners write the path of our home, Valhene. We will not resist with guerrilla tactics or military resistence. We will do this the peaceful way, the democratic way, the way of the people.

With great humility, I ask IPO to recognize our new democratic government. The Republic of Valhene.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 04, 2007, 06:14:13 PM: ooc: hmph
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Osamafune on December 04, 2007, 09:33:41 PM: <ooc>Who is this guy? ???</ooc>
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Pachamama on December 04, 2007, 10:45:18 PM: To General Louis Vassa
From Talman Yar Administrator of IPO

I hereby invite you to present your case in person or by sending a representative before the IPO assembly.
I believe we can be able to find a solution for the harsh difficulties brought upon your people by their former government.
However do not expect fast and great wonders. The task will be a difficult one and the workings of politics are slow and cumbersome.

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ooc: It's Dysanii trying something different. Let us see how this works out, shall we?
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 05, 2007, 01:10:06 AM: Quote
We will send Representative Jiel Mekimale, respected city councilor of Holin Vale. We are in need of transport in order for him, as the Allies have restricted our airspace and territorial waters.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Cantr on December 05, 2007, 03:44:09 AM: OOC: No really, who are you?
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 05, 2007, 07:11:52 AM: ooc: he's loyan RPing a Dysaniian General that is supposed to be nationalist that instead he wants to create his democratic state in the tiny Valhene, right where coalition forces are, and if there's a split, he wants whole Dysanii to be PI and Valhene independent, Coalition gets nothing, erasing any chance of a fair balance between alliances. No I won't let you have Valhene.

ic: Our intel says this General only has support of a minority, the nationalists in Valhene rather want to be as they were, in Dysanii, and not much knows that people want to cut Dysanii apart for foreign governing. If that happens, I'm sure this Vassa guy will be disappointed to hear the Coalition wants to get Valhene. Although my government's opinion and most of the diplomats are fighting for an unified Dysanii, independent and free. In this organization we have the chance of making this difference, people deserve to be free, and the annexation and the cut of Dysanii will only generate confronts. There's not even a coherence about which nation deserves what piece of territory. This will generate conflict, is generating conflict already about the territories, and will generate conflicts in the future. What is this organization's purpose? Aren't we supposed to end this conflicts diplomatically and try not to generate more?
If PI gets whole territory it will contribute for the unbalance of power, probably lead to more conflict.
If we cut every piece of Dysanii apart they will enter in conflict with each other, Feniexian will want more power, Myrorians will want their Pelagian pride, Canadians will want to generate more kingdoms beyond frontiers, PI will want to colonize whole Dysanii, Coalition will want to stop it.
Why standing for a pathetic piece of land, I don't know, but now that we're at it, we can perform Vassa's wish for democratic government, not of Valhene, but whole Dysanii. Look how joyful he will be if we can propose that.
IPO can control the first elections so that there's no slips, we can impose them restrictions to the military, allot of other nations only fear that they loose their grip again, if we can guarantee they Dysanii won't slip to an irresponsible government why can't we let Dysaniian people be free?
I say support his will of independent, free, democratic land, but not for Valhene, for Dysanii!
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 05, 2007, 08:12:24 AM: We are glad that Delfos are putting up the possibility of renew single Dysanii Republic. Our current campaign here in Valhene was only a gauge to the limit of control my compatriots have over the affair of the armistice. We will never dream that we will gain support for uniting more than one district of the Republic. In light of new support, I will will also like to push for not only safeguarding the independence of our citizens in Valhene, but those of our other fellow state districts.

The FVM will be willing to let go of South Arcadia, in light of the justification of our former government in starting this tasteless war. While against our pride, I do believe that Canada is entitle to some compensation for our blunder.

So I believe the new topic of this issue will be "A Free and Renew Dysanii Republic".
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 05, 2007, 09:08:56 AM: ooc: lol that's what I'm fighting about in the deliberation of Dysanii, a bit for Canada and the rest remains free, with military restrictions and we get a chance to flood Dysanii market with our companies, it's only fair.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Aquatoria on December 05, 2007, 04:44:17 PM: The Canadian Empire will hate to see Feneixians or Myrorians or other foriegners try to establish themselves on the American continent. I agree with the Delfians. To save as much of Dysanii as possible, we need to let this new government have the rest of Dysanii not occupied by the Canadian Army. I only hope they will be better nieghbors then their predecessors. But Canada will not support this unless the Valhene Republic signs a non-aggresion pact with the Greater Canadian Empire.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 05, 2007, 05:06:50 PM: We will be more than happy to sign any treaty that will limit tension between our two countries. I'm sure both our people and yours are tired of war. It is time to bring stability to our region.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 05, 2007, 05:32:04 PM: ooc: don't call it Valhene, they're Dysanii.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Pachamama on December 05, 2007, 07:11:34 PM: So once again IPO will be host to treaty talks.
General Vassa has agreed to send a delegation to the IPO HQ. We would like to invite the Canadian Empire to these talks.
Also as the Dysanii airspace is at the moment under control by alliance forces we ask permission to fly this delegation to the HQ.
Holding these talks on neutral ground will give them more leverage as it will neutralize any claim to "Pressure" being put on one side by holding these talks at Canada.
Also Dysanii is too unstable for such talks at the moment.
It is our believe that safety can not be guaranteed for any delegates inside Dysanii at this time.
Hopefully they will fall on better times than the last ones.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Aquatoria on December 05, 2007, 07:37:14 PM: We will send someone to the talks.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 06, 2007, 10:08:21 AM: The New Delfos Supreme Council hereby declares the lift of the support of the ex-General Louis Vassa in the restoration of the republic and democracy for Dysanii. ~~The whole support goes now to Robert Murphy, chairman of the provisional government of the Free State of Aemilius.~~
The government of New Delfos also charges ex-General Louis Vassa of government for his own interests, accusing Vassa of financing and arming insurgents in Valhene, and fomenting rebellion against Coalition forces.
The Aurorean Coalition Dysanii Force (DYSFOR) is encountering insurgent resistance in several key points of Valhene, most of those insurgent forces using insignias and armament linking directly to the ex-General Louis Vassa.
The Aurorean Coalition Defense Council will soon be in agreement of the accusations against Vassa.

ooc: Dysanii was supposed to play the white sheep, I guess he will always be the black one.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 06, 2007, 08:11:35 PM: ooc: Oh, I see some of the locals REALLY don't like you there. General Vassa has already disbanded the army and he has established a PEACEFUL political movement vying for independence. Hence, he has no control over any part of the former army. It seems that Delfos has resulted to making false accusations against a political opponent they can't deal with. Talk about oppression against democracy.

Insurgents? Rebellion? I'm sorry, but such false accusations are uncalled for here. FRM does not in any way organize or support armed resistance against occupational forces in Valhene, and any that exist probably are operated by civilians of their own accord. As stated in the FRM Charter, we do NOT believe that violence and arms are a key to dispelling foreign occupation. Our mission is clear: To initiate the preservation of democracy and autonomy in the Republic by means of peaceful protest and ballot campaigning.

Also be aware that State Guards personnel were responsible for purchasing their own equipment from private vendors, including any weapons to used in combat. Also, do note that every State district arsenal has been either destroyed or capture by occupation forces, hence any weapons that we used to have are now under monitor by you.

Also please note, neither the State Congress nor State Guard Army has surrender to any party of the occupational force. Hence, in a legal standpoint, Valhene is still an independent entity, and the terms "rebellion" and "insurgents" are misleading.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 06, 2007, 08:33:45 PM: ooc: I've got proof.

anyway, everything you said just makes my point, armed cops against coalition forces from your fake *democratic* (Where?) 'republic' that opose to occupation forces before the original goal is complete makes you the leader of the oppositions, means you're responsible for any insurgent forces, any of the actions of the '(Valhene) state police', and everything I said has proof. If it's fake or not, well, that's for someone else to judge, right now you're playing with fire, and I'm quite amused ruining your amateur fun fest.
(hahaha, don't call me amateur again)
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 06, 2007, 08:43:17 PM: Can someone please get a translator for our Delfos representative here? I had not a clue on the what he said right about now. Again I will state, the FRM is not responsible for any armed resistance against occupational forces. We stand on that fact.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Pachamama on December 06, 2007, 09:18:50 PM: Maybe we all could settle down here and talk things over gentlemen.
I would like for the Delfos delegate to present his proof, if only for the eyes of the IPO delegates.
Also what exactly seems to be the problem here?

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I don't know nothing of what is happening at the road block.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 06, 2007, 09:34:13 PM: ooc: Read Op. Ironhide if you want to learn more, shortly an ex-General forms a Republic of his own in one of the Dysanii regions whole the same region is being occupied by the Coaltion, his 'State Police' thinks they have their own constitution and laws already and are trying to gain the upper hand, saying the coalition forces have no juristiction.

ic: The information I have is that, as an occupational force, we are responsible for the civilian security and peace keeping, but there's some riots and insurgents against the Coalition forces. The goal is to take charge of the region until a democratic government with the IPO's over-view takes control of Dysanii, we do not yet or maybe never recognise the single state 'Valhene Republic' as independent. All armed forces must be disarmed and surrender to the Coalition Forces until IPO recognizes their legitimity and allows them having their own armed security forces.
Ex-General Louis Vassa is the leader of this 'fake' government that was installed for his own purposes and uses their ex-Dysanii Police as Valhene Republic Police to start trouble with Coalition Forces, break checkpoints, hassle civilians with their fake laws and rebel against Coalition Forces.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Pachamama on December 06, 2007, 09:58:37 PM: Before I ask for the Generals statement to these accusations I would like to remind the delegates that this is not a tribunal but a formal meeting.
I think we should look for a solution to these problems.
I have an idea on how to ease the tensions but would like to hear your opinions on the situation before I present my proposal.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 06, 2007, 10:12:11 PM: ooc: Obviously, Delfos still thinks Valhene is some backwater territory in the Middle East or Eastern Europe. Valhene is more of an American Midwest, and I modeled it on that model. Think Kansas or Alabama. Also, when I use the word State, I meant it as provincial level of government, such as the American ones.

If you are referring the Interstate 88 standoff, all I know is that a couple of Highway Patrol officers were involved. These men ARE operating on a constitution and set of laws, one that is supported by the Valhene public, as set by the senators and presidents that were VOTED in by them before your invasion. The legitimacy of this democratic establishment beats the use of force by military overlords any day.

Also, I must correct you on your label of Chairman Vassa as the "leader" of Valhene. This is completely obscured, as the FRM is NOT in anyway a point of authority for the state district of Valhene, and is only a civilian political group campaigning for the return of independent government here in Valhene. The leader of Valhene can ONLY be decided by a proper election by Valhene citizens, as stated in our constitution.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Pachamama on December 06, 2007, 10:40:44 PM: May I propose that those roadblock put up by the occupation forces to search for contraband be also manned by one IPO Peace force officer and a officer of the Valhene police then.
This would make it easier for all involved.
The people would respect the searches if they were supported by their own police. Also it would be easier to handle the citizens if they did not have the feeling of being pushed around by what they percieve as a foreign occupation.

After all the alliance should be aware of the saying "One may know how to gain a victory, and know not how to use it. "
A riot like the one you mentioned General is a seed for further trouble and lead up to more violent incidents that will help no one.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 06, 2007, 10:53:57 PM: This is a good idea. However, We prefer that all checkpoints be managed by only IPO peace keepers from countries not involved in the occupation force. Delfos and Validus are attempting to discredit our democratic movement in the eyes of the international community, so we hope that IPO involvement in monitoring Valhene will bring more transparency of our campaign.

Also, I suggest that the Allies remove their presence from civilian populations if they are indeed committed to minimizing violence and casualties. What they have is a military victory, but they are far from gaining any recognition of authority from our people.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 06, 2007, 11:36:43 PM: We cannot allow any armed forces to manage the security of Valhene for security reasons. You must understand that the Coalition forces have more things to do than to watch their backs while this Vassa guy foments riots against our own forces. He officially requested in public television for civilians to rise against our authority, how do you expect to maintain peace and order under that circunstances?
Stop the lying propaganda and call those civilians home, make your security forces surrender themselves and their weapons and maybe we can let them take care of unarmed juridical proceedures. Otherwise you are to be judged leader of those armed rebels and supporting those insurgents.
THAT would make thingseasier for all involved.

On top of that, we already have casualities from the riots you provoked. You are a menace to the security and peace of Valhene region.

If IPO wants to have a word about this security why haven't those Peace-Keepers arrived yet? Otherwise IPO is just letting this fake government taking care of business without any authority and supporting all those groups what are breaking the peace of Valhene region and Dysanii.

ooc: What are you thinking? Your region is OCCUPIED by a foreign COALITION, don't try to make things more complicated than they are. Wherever this region is, is the same thing in any part of the world. Just because it's modeled as American doesn't mean it's going to be double trouble for the occupation forces.
And how do you install a democratic republic, make elections that no one knows about, make a constitution and already have it in practice with your own police and all while your region is occupied, you must think you are leading with 3rd world army against the smartest and brightest oppositors. You're undervaluing the coalition army and overvaluing Dysanii civilians, they're not even yours. Gas masks for everyone? Why not vibrators and confettis?
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 07, 2007, 12:03:12 AM: We do not control the police or any former security groups inside Valhene, we are a peaceful protest group with not legitimate control of any former element of the State government. We are not responsible for any insurgents that may show their displease towards your forces independently! We encourage our fellow citizens to stir away from armed violence and make use of peaceful processes that have endure for hundreds of years here in our democracy! Until Delfos can accept this fact, I feel I can not make any progress with IPO with a imperialistic and authoritative Delfos sitting at this table.

oooc: The power of democracy endures in the face of oppression.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 07, 2007, 12:16:17 AM: What a joke, an ex-General with a fake elected republic telling a diplomat of New Delfos we are imperialist and authoritarian. This should count as an insult. You say you have no control but they answer to your government, you call injured soldiers by riots peaceful protesting?
(http://media.canada.com/597ad362-5cf6-4bb7-8991-4f0cecb023b8/soldier375.jpg)
Is this peaceful?
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5752/delfiansoldierhityc2.jpg)
Is this peaceful?
Until you do not apologise for what you said and make your forces surrender to the Coalition forces, we will not recognize your government and we will continue to see you as a fraud, if so, I expect to see you in International Court.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 07, 2007, 12:30:08 AM: You have the luxury to blame us for our problems, problems that you created and can't solve. We stand by our mission and principles. no matter how much you and your allies scapegoat us. The truth stands, if Valideans haven't established that road block, everything would had gone without trouble. You blame us for inciting riots against you, yet you continue to trample over our liberties and democratic traditions. While I do not know that status-quo in Delfos, in Dysanii, we hold our freedom of speech dearly, and we will make use of this right.

And don't put these pictures in front of me and hope it will strengthen your cause for imperialism. My son died when one of your bombs fell on a power station he was working in. If we tally up the score, you have killed more of our citizens then we to yours. I will not submit to the murderers of our sons and daughters.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Myroria on December 07, 2007, 02:30:20 AM: Quote
Statement from the Myrorian Government,

Myroria recognizes the existance of a republic in Valhene. Leave the bloated morass of the IPO, friend, and come to PI.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Aquatoria on December 07, 2007, 02:31:36 AM: What are we going to do with the Murphy and his terrorists?
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 07, 2007, 02:35:22 AM: This has nothing to do with that. Your region is being occupied, you have to submit to the occupation authority, such authority that for security reasons creates checkpoints for contraband, and you without any authority are defying ours. There is no government of Valhene, your fake attempt have failed. Surrender your forces or be seen as a rebel, you're just continuing the fight before the coup.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 07, 2007, 02:36:12 AM: They are just continuing the previous fight, war continues.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 07, 2007, 05:40:29 AM: Quote from: Delfos on December 07, 2007, 02:35:22 AM
This has nothing to do with that. Your region is being occupied, you have to submit to the occupation authority, such authority that for security reasons creates checkpoints for contraband, and you without any authority are defying ours. There is no government of Valhene, your fake attempt have failed. Surrender your forces or be seen as a rebel, you're just continuing the fight before the coup.

What you have is occupational presence. If the people do not wish to submit to your authority, there is nothing you can do to stop us from continuing on our independence and autonomy.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Pachamama on December 07, 2007, 08:30:54 AM: Talman Yar leaned back in his chair putting the palm of his hands together.

“I propose the following terms for the deployment of IPO peace-keepers.
The IPO will take over the roadblocks and searches together with the Dysanii police force members as liaison and contact to the civilian populace. Their officers need not be armed as they will be protected by IPO peace keepers.
Only IPO personal from countries not involved in this war will be deployed.

As soldiers have proven to be of rather doubtful use in these matters I will ask the Terrangan gouverment and those of other nations to send members of Military and civilian police units instead.

Soldiers will be deployed only during disarmament of the Dysanii nation with the troop strength reduced to pre-war peace time levels.

According to the Generals statement that he has no control of the government and his party has no political power, an interim goverment will be formed from ALL political parties in Valheen except those that have members of the former govenment.
The IPO will accept this government as the ruling body of Valheen until democratic elections can be held to establish a government by the people.

Also the interim governments issue will be to put up ballot for independence which will be organized and controlled together with IPO observers as well as take up talks with Canada who will be involved in this matter.

If the Delfos delegate or anyone else wishes for a trial of war crimes or such they will do this the official way.
All documents and facts will be presented to the IPO for review and proof of validity.
Based upon the information gathered in this way a tribunal will be created or not,.
After the creation of a tribunal all involved will present their cases.
I will not have a show trial or an act of revenge.

You will agree to these terms or the IPO peace keepers will stay were they are.

He leaned forward.

“And off the record gentlemen. Just for your information.
In my personal opinion the only people having valid reasons to be in Dysanii are the Canadians and their allies from Pax Imperium
I think we all can agree that Canada has been the victim of an unjust attack.
Everyone who joined later may have done so to assist the Canadians but the truth is they did it so they could cut out a piece of the Dysanii cake for themselves.
If these mercenary nations get NOTHING out of this for the soldiers they have sacrificed then the better. Maybe this way they will learn something for the future.”

As the General has stated that he holds no political power of yet and Canada being the victim of this war I hereby close these talks until an interim Dysanii government can be created and talks can be held with Canada.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 07, 2007, 08:36:44 AM: ooc: I love you Pachamama

We will accept all these terms. They are fair and meet our democratic principles.

On a side note Mr. Yar, Louis Vassa has asked that we stop referring him as general. He resigned from the military the day the FVM was created.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Osamafune on December 07, 2007, 09:02:17 AM: There is a serious matter of corruption within the police forces of Valhene. So far, in each protest that turned to riots, it has always been the police to create them by inciting the crowds.

Despite what the insurgents want you to believe, only a minority of the citizens in Valhene want independence. What we have found is that most of the protesters move from place to place. They'll protest in one city, move into another and protest there, and it only gives the illusion that they are semi wide spread. Also, soldiers from Collosea, Delfos, and Validus can testify from living in the nation and manning check points in their cities that the majority do not agree with their views and do not want independence.

If you want to send your own observers in to verify these claims, be my guest. IPO peacekeepers will not solve anything. The people of Dysanii are highly nationalistic and will oppose to any foreign soldiers. Collosea, Delfos, and Varkour; the three of us ARE IPO members you know and we all have forces there to maintain the peace.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 07, 2007, 09:13:21 AM: You are making a mistake, this administration doesn't seem any better than the Loyan one. You're calling the shots without even consulting the delegates opinion. You are running for interests of PI and this madman Vassa. You rather trust a liar than your own members.
Our mission since the war began have not yet been completed. We have the goal to achieve peace and return home after Dysanii establish a democratic government in interest shared by everyone. That haven't yet happened, nations haven't yet decided what to do with Dysanii and this fake governments are only governing for their own interests.
The Coalition forces will not rest until the goal is fulfilled or we declare the abandon of the war. This firefights, insurgents and riots only continue the previous case during the war. A Dysaniian government is still there, corrupted, irresponsible, targeting Canadians and now Coalition forces, and breaking the peace. If breaking the peace and supporting this madmen is what you want, delegate of Terrangar, than you are in the wrong organization.
If the support and recognition of this government and it's armed forces isn't lifted I suggest your resignation from Administrator of IPO.
(Which should have happened already...)
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Osamafune on December 07, 2007, 09:21:18 AM: Mr. Yar, you're taking the word of this one single person over all of the rest of the IPO delegates?

The whole reason I agreed to send troops was to do exactly what the IPO refused to do and try and make peace in the region. Collosea had been for an expanded IPO mission since it began by building up what was intended for Winter Shield. Since that never even got off the ground, we took the first chance we had at attempting what the IPO failed to do.

And NOW you want to send peacekeepers!? After the war has raged for god knows how long and took countless lives!?

Collosea whole-heartedly supports Delfos's motion to have Terrengar's resignation. We will not pull out our troops, and we will continue to hunt down these insurgents in suits.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Pachamama on December 07, 2007, 09:27:57 AM: Even so i resign I will still forward this motion.
Also I have heard nothing of my delegate colleagues except accusations and rants.
If you can come up with a better idea to prevent these riots than arresting police officers and attacking upset civilians then I will be happy to hear about it.
it would be welcome if you would simply stop playing into the hands of any resistance or apposition.
And I saw the TV news about the arrest of those two reporters. Now THAT was a clever idea.
Very much proves the point of the people.
Also i am still in administration because no one has stepped forward yet to take the position and you can not expect the administrator to leave the seat empty.

ooc
A occupation force that only creates dissent by opressing anything and anyone and a population that is willing to fight them.
This entire situation reminds me of something. If I JUST could remember.
Hmm, maybe all the people ranting about the American/ Irak war could help my memory a bit.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 07, 2007, 09:33:16 AM: Furthermore, we're fighting under IPO reasons, as our treaty clearly states, we're the sword of IPO. Until peace isn't achieved in Dysanii, and Peaceful democratic government or governments are installed, there's nothing we can do but try to stop the armed attacks. We're still the authority in Valhene, as Canada is the authority in Acadia. People can't defy us for the reason of security, until the job is done, we cannot recognize any other armed force in the region.
Now IPO Administrator, despite not consulting with other delegates, is unilaterally recognizing a rogue state and it's armed forces, that supports the fight against Coalition forces, those forces that fought for their freedom already.

Arresting the Press? That's against our protocols and have not ever happened.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Osamafune on December 07, 2007, 09:46:39 AM: I believe I know what Terrengar is referring to. There were some police officers arrested, but they were also the ones instigating the riots. This is the footage of the incident you are referring too:

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Dysanii Freedom Broadcast.

"We now broadcast this video showing Valhene rebels turning violent against Coalition forces."

(http://www.russiablog.org/stavropol.jpg)
Delfian patrol just arrived to help the Valideen forces.

(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1333/delfianantiriotsoldiersjk1.jpg)
Delfian Riot Specialized troops arrived trying to create a barrier between the Valhene rebels and the injured troops.

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5752/delfiansoldierhityc2.jpg)
A delfian soldier crumbling trying to reach his comrades after being hit by several rocks.

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8791/delfianantiriotarrestrt9.jpg)
Delfian Riot Specialized troops trying to cool the scene down arresting one of the many aggressors.

(http://media.canada.com/597ad362-5cf6-4bb7-8991-4f0cecb023b8/soldier375.jpg)
One of the soldiers that was carried to the Armored Personal Carrier vehicle for medical assitance in presence of several evidences of brutal beat up.

(http://www.25idl.army.mil/Deployment/OEF%20Afghanistan/Deployment/Big/OEF%20Mar03_2005%2068th%20Med.%20Co.%20honored%20Rescue%20of%20the%20Year01.jpg)
The soldier that was carried in emergency by helicopter after being resqued by Valideen forces from the hands of those Valhene rebels. He's still in critical condition on the Central Campaign Hospital of the Coalition forces.
As you can see, no reporters were arrested.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 07, 2007, 11:38:43 AM: If private citizens wish to join in civil protest, they have the right to do so under the constitution of the Republic. You can not deny the fact that Valhene's citizens do not want you in Valhene. Even with all these accusations of police inciting riots, armed insurgents, or the FRM funding violence...there is the simple fact, you are trespassing on our country and ignoring our rights and freedoms.

And since Delfos accuses the Republic of being a threat to peace, I suggest the IPO set out a parameters to limit the size of our future military. I'm sure the future government will be happy to comply.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Pachamama on December 07, 2007, 12:41:00 PM: This is exactly what I mean. And if those reporters were arrested or not is of no meaning to the people.
For those that were there and those that will see those pictures it will not matter who and how it started.
It will only matter how it was ended by whom.
The Valideen forces simply gave the initiative out of their hands and into those of the police. They allowed it to escalate.
Whoever uses the police to create this incident and manipulate the public opinion was successful. He played those soldiers like a piano.
I do not blame the Valedeen soldiers as such as they reacted the way all soldiers are teached to react to force, by applying a counter force. He knew this and he used it to his advantage against you.
My proposal still stands.

The IPO will take over the roadblocks and searches together with the Dysanii police force members as liaison and contact to the civilian populace. Their officers need not be armed as they will be protected by IPO peace keepers.
Only IPO personal from countries not involved in this war will be deployed.

As soldiers have proven to be of rather doubtful use in these matters I will ask the Terrangan gouverment and those of other nations to send members of Military and civilian police units instead.

Soldiers will be deployed only during disarmament of the Dysanii nation with the troop strength reduced to pre-war peace time levels.

According to the Generals statement that he has no control of the government and his party has no political power, an interim goverment will be formed from ALL political parties in Valheen except those that have members of the former govenment.
The IPO will accept this government as the ruling body of Valheen until democratic elections can be held to establish a government by the people.

Also the interim governments issue will be to put up ballot for independence which will be organized and controlled together with IPO observers as well as take up talks with Canada who will be involved in this matter.

And I agree with the Delfian delegate that no other forces should be allowed inside this territory. Including all non IPO forces.

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Believe me or not I saw this coming the moment the police appeared at the outpost, Same picture every time. Seems to be much more difficult to play peace than play war isn't it.
Well as I like to say. You need two people to make a peace but only one man to make a war.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Union on December 07, 2007, 12:48:12 PM: ooc:wrong account
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 07, 2007, 12:50:58 PM: I admire your level of respect for the democratic process, Representative. Terranger must be a very successful democracy. We agree to the terms.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 07, 2007, 01:03:32 PM: Terms set out without any discussion, you think that's democracy?

New Delfos agrees with ALL terms after IPO take sin process the referendum about Acadia and to overview a new democratic electoral process. That's the goal that have yet to be completed.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Pachamama on December 07, 2007, 06:29:18 PM: The government of the Federation of Terrnagar supports the Valhene independence movement.
If the population will vote for independence during secret, unmanipulated and democratic polls and find a government to represent them in the same way we will acknowledge them.

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ooc Delfos read the whole part. I "Proposed" these terms.
But actually the point is mood.
You don't know my intentions. And you are right because I have none. I want Peace on Taijitu. What you and some other want is just to continue your wars. With the IPO as a tool you can now label everyone who isn't working your way as a terrorist and enemy of peace.
Actually all I see in those threads is the occupation forces making the same mistakes as in Irak, Afghanistan and former Yugoslavia.
So whatever anyone is trying to do it will be plowed under by endless debates abnd demands that are geared towards being unbearable to one side so the anger issues can continue.
I believe the situation could be salvaged if people wanted to. but they don't. Well fine. My term as Administrator is over and I will not apply for this position again.
You are willing to sacrifice millions of your toy soldiers for your military goals but you are unwilling to rephrase a single sentence even if that could ensure peace.
Go on continue playing in his hands.
Loyan will win this because he knows your weaknesses.
But maybe it is all part of the "Behind the scenes" plot The idiotic me is not aware of.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 07, 2007, 07:00:19 PM: ooc: Pushing us around with controversy isn't going to make us move from our stand. Unless there's elections over-viewed by the IPO, AFTER being decided about military restrictions, there's no room for change in Dysanii/Valhene. He's doing his possibles to push us around while we're there. I even defended we should all leave, so both yours and his accusations that this is just an excuse for annexation are false and have contradictory In Character scenes.
I would be very happy if you did admit you were afraid of letting us do whatever we want with Loyan's puppet, but you must understand, you broke the power limits imposed to administrators. Just like Loyan did, connection?
Achieving things this way gives no fun, specially when you're responsible of a peace organization that doesn't even listen to it's members, rather your and Loyan's own interests.
Bad mark for the current administration, 3 administrators and 2 of them abused the power.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Osamafune on December 07, 2007, 08:27:31 PM: The IPO administrator does not have the power to simply do as he chooses, it must be debated and VOTED upon in a democratic manner by member states.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Pachamama on December 07, 2007, 08:34:54 PM: ooc I kmow. I wrote our damned Definition paper. i am still writing it.
Well I am still Administratot until the 10th of December. Over here it is the 7th.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 08, 2007, 01:26:20 AM: Quote
Secretary Joe Fismen will be replacing FRM representative in this meeting
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 08, 2007, 03:35:07 AM: Greeting, I am Joe Fismen...the representative of the Valhene Republic. I apologize for the delay, a good friend of mine was assassinated today. Let's get business going gentlemen.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Delfos on December 08, 2007, 08:45:50 AM: You were actually supposed to be admin until the 3rd of December.
Title: Re: Appeal for Recognition of a Valhene Republic
Post by: Republic of Valhene on December 10, 2007, 02:24:18 AM: After reviewing the IPO Definition Charter, we have concluded that Delfos' occupation of Valhene by military forces is illegal, contradictory to it's obligation to it's IPO membership.

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It is the goal of this organization to serve as a platform to assist nations in conflict to find peaceful solutions and assist them in ending those conflicts.

Delfos has not attempted to peacefully end it's action against the Valhene government, we believe that a formal peace treaty needs to be establish between Delfos and Valhene.

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It is the goal of this organization to serve as a platform to dissolve conflicts in a civilized manner without resorting to aggression.

We believe that the presence of Delfian military forces in foreign soil constitutes as an aggression. Valhene has neither military or terrorist elements within Delfos itself. As an IPO member, Delfos should not have any troops remain in Valhene with the ending of hostilities between Canada and former-Dysanii.

Delfos' use of force against civilians does not seem to meet the duties of a IPO member. This is the opinion of the Valhene Republic, and we will respect disagreements by the members of IPO.