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Title: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Aquatoria on December 18, 2007, 09:15:47 PM
The current Lord Protector, Xavier Rommel, wishes to retire and now elections have been called all over Greater Canada. The leaders of the five major parties have put in their wish to succeed Rommel has LP. I am Charles Diego, the moderator of the elections. The elctions has drawn quite a crowd including the Empress herself. The five candidates are coming out now. As always, the parties will debate on current issues in the Empire and the larger Federation, as well as debate about their policies. After the debate, the people will elect their new head of government.

Political Parties and the Candidates:

1. Progressive Party (current ruling party)- Roger Finestone (Templarios)
2. Liberal Party- Phillipe Trudeau (Delfos)
3. Conservative Party- Steve Martin (Talmann)
4. Socialist Party- William Lyon King (geek girl)
5. New Democratic Party- Henry Belecono (Aemillion Free State)

ooc: Now remeber, I need a background and no less then five political policies that your party wishes to champion should they become Lord Protector. We will begin the debate the moment all this has been done. Good luck ladies and gentlemen.  :)
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Templarios on December 19, 2007, 01:14:07 PM
Progressive Party (Current Ruling Party) - Roger Finestone

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/NewZealandProgressivePartyLogo.png)

List of polices:
1.   Social progress
        a.   Referendum - A procedure whereby citizens could vote directly to rescind a law which was passed by the      legislature.
        b.   Equal rights to all regardless of age/gender/sexual ordination/skin colour or any other factor (some exceptions do apply)
2.   Free education for all residents of this nation under the age of 23
3.   Free universal healthcare system for all residents of this nation
4.   Pursue interventionist progressive economic policies (such as minimum wages, social safety nets, and trade barriers)
5.   Address the environmental concerns we have for our beautiful nation

Background of your character:
Roger Finestone was born 24th September 1975 (aged 32) and is seen as bringing the energy, charisma and drive to take the nation forward. He holds a BA(Hons) in theology and philosophy and MA in political science.
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Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Dysanii on December 19, 2007, 06:18:30 PM
New Democratic Party

The New Democrats introduce five principle policies;

Compulsory government funded health insurance with nominal fees
Proposed increases in military and police spending
Decriminalization of possession of small amounts of marijuana
Free post-secondary education to Canadian nationals
Progressive taxation reform

Henry Belecono

Henry Alexander Robert Belecono (born 21 June 1960) is the leader of the New Democratic party. He is an established politician and has experienced significant variation in Canadian politics for many years. He favors right wing policy and has a PhD in history.
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Talmann on December 19, 2007, 06:23:41 PM
Conservative Party

   
Steven Martin: A vote for justice, morals, and peace.

Political Background
     Steven Martin was a former Senator and current Premier of the Province Ontario. His strong political stature make him a strong voice for pro-life advocates. As Premier he signed into law a bill funding the Ontario police force and sent 5 murderers to their death. As Senator, he stressed his opinion for reformed tax code and less spending by the government.

If elected, Steve Martin will continue to pursue these things and more. We thank you for your time, and please, GO VOTE. For God and the Empire!
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Delfos on December 22, 2007, 06:48:09 PM
(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3193/liberalcanadianaj2.jpg)

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9119/liberalcanadacampaignmd7.jpg)

Phillipe Trudeau
Today by the age of 64, Trudeau is one of the most respected politicians in Canada. He's claimed to be the 2nd father of the Liberal Party, that after some hard time of adaptation, the party was renewed and modernized by his hand, and won the hearts of many both left-wing and right-wing politicians that joined the cause, claiming most of the seats of the opposition in the national assembly. He claims that his ideals are right-wing transformed into left-wing, with an hard touch of patriotism, but supporter of globalization.
Before being the leader of the Liberal Party, Phillipe Trudeau served as diplomat ambassador in the IPO, affirming Canadian presence in all IPO's meetings.
Phillipe Trudeau studied Economics and Marketing in the Vancouver's Oxlord University, that during the attacks against Vancouver by DSA, he was one of the leaders of the resistance.
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Zimmerwald on December 27, 2007, 07:27:59 AM
OOC: Canada asked me to take over from Geek Girl, given her inactivity.  Hope nobody minds ;)

The Socialist Party
Workers' power at home, peace in the world

The Socialist Party, given the developed nature of Canada's extant welfare state, including single-payer health insurance, mandated workmen's compensation, and guaranteed primary and secondary education, will maintain these programs.  It will expand them by offering guaranteed grants to students who wish to pursue tertiary education, by constructing, at government expense, low-income housing, and by securing the guaranteed pensions that our retirees enjoy from being raided to pay other expenses.

The Socialist Party, in an effort to bring about just ownership of the nation's wealth, will grant tax credits to all corporations in which workers at the corporation own, as individuals or through a consortium or union, at least fifty-one percent of the shares of the business.  Non-incorporated businesses in which workers own a stake equal to the proprietor shall also be given tax credits, as shall the self-employed.  Taxes on businesses own a share less than fifty-one percent (in the case of corporations) or a stake less than that of the owner (in the case of proprietorships) shall be raised.

The Socialist Party, acknowledging that imperialism and expansion are crimes both upon the oppressed nations and upon the oppressor, demands the dissolusion of the Imperial Federation, the immediate and full, rather than nominal, independence of Acadia, and the prompt recognition of the Amelian Free State.  We also demand that the troops of nations with which Canada is allied be withdrawn from the soil of the former Dysaniian Republic, and acknowledge that we will use force to back our demands.

The Socialist Party, reviewing Canada's recent history, sees that Canada has allowed itself to become beholden to its "allies."  Rather than treating with them on an equal footing, by allowing them to come to our aid so many times, we have put ourselves at their mercy.  The Socialist Party advocates a military buildup which will eliminate any incipient unemployment, ensure our security, and eliminate Canada's dependence on the Pax Imperium alliance.

The Socialist Party, believing that the rule of capital, the rule of greed, is at the root of our environmental woes, pledges to rigidly enforce our current environmental regulations, and to augment them where it seems necessary.  In particular, deforestation of the Northern Territories is of great concern, and the protection of large tracts of public land from deforestation and depoilment is one of our top policy concerns.

William Lyon King is a relatively new face to electoral politics, having been up until three years ago been the dynamic leader of the Canadian Labor Congress/Congrès du travail du Canada.  Elected President of the CLC in 1992, King has been a strong champion of Canadian labor, leading the efforts to establish purely Canadian unions seperate from Inglish and American "parents".  King has also been a fierce opponent of globalization and imperialism; his entry into politics was prompted by the Canadian entry into Pax Imperium.

King remains sympathetic to working people, having participated in several strikes when he was younger.  He is sixty-two years old, walks with a cane due to an industrial accident in his youth, and is known for his acerbic wit.
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Aquatoria on December 27, 2007, 10:17:29 AM
"Alright, now that the candidates have stated their names and policies, we can begin. This campaign debate is easy, there will be eight major issues that will be discussed from both the current issues and also from the policies of the candidates. After the debate, the people will vote for the next Lord Protector of the Realm. The issues are:

1. The emergency powers of the monarchy.
2. The place of Canada in the world
3. The Acadian issue
4. The military size and performance
5. The local and world market
6. The education and health care issue
7. Social progress
8. The enviromental concerns

The debate will go in order and the candidtes will discuss their views and solutions to these concerns will be. The top concern is the emergency powers of the monarchy. Ever since Empress Alia was given emergency powers, there was some concern that she was becoming a tyrannt, the creation of the Imperial Federation they say is evident enough. They believe that Her Imperial Majesty will not give up her emergency powers. Some believe that the monarchy should continue to hold power, at least until the Acadian problem is settled. Now in your term, this will be something you will need to deal with. Is the monarchy using too much power? Is this a constitutional violation and what will be your position on this issue. Also more importantly, how will you make Parliament stronger?
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Talmann on December 27, 2007, 05:51:06 PM
Steve: "As Lord Protector, I believe we should limit the emergency powers Empress Alia has. Keep it so that She has enough room to solve problems immediately and without question, but remove or restrict other powers from Her, including, but not restricted to, the declaration of war and the creation of laws or organizations that would violate citizen's rights. In the instance of the declaration of war, She must have the Lord Protector's and the Senate's approval before war can actually be declared. That is what I feel should be done about the Empress' powers. Now I turn the question to my collegues."
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Zimmerwald on December 30, 2007, 02:38:15 AM
"To be perfectly frank, Premier Martin, two of the powers you've mentioned, the power to declare war and the power to originate legislation, are violations of the Constitution.  According to Article 3, Section 3, Clause 1 of the Constitution, the House of Commons is the only body in Canada that can originate legislation, including declarations of war.  Furthermore, the Lord Protector, not the Empress, is Constitutionally charged with the ability to prosecute wars, and a delegation of that power is simply unconstitutional.  In fact, there is no provision in the Constitution which states that the Empress may be granted emergency powers in the first place!  The entire subject matter of this debate can be summed up in one word: unconstitutional.

"If any one person is to be given emergency powers, that person should be the Lord Protector, who is elected by, and responsible to, the people, rather than the Empress, who is responsible only to herself.  In any case, emergency powers are only appropriate in emergencies, and I think we can agree that the emergency, the Dysaniian invasion, has passed. 

"The position of the Socialist Party is that Alia's emergency powers should be revoked, and that a case should be brought before the Supreme Court to prevent such emergency powers being granted to an Emperor or Empress again.  It is also our position that Canada should take measures to prevent an emergency from happening again, including a buildup of the conventianal military, the immediate independence of, and the withdrawal of all troops, foreign and other, from all occupied territories, including Acadia, and the securing of peace treaties with Acadia, Amelia, and the DSA."

OOC: it helps, when making a Constitutional argument, to have written the Constitution ;)
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Delfos on December 30, 2007, 03:36:41 PM
Trudeau: "As our buddies here, we believe of such unconstitutionality, but we support such power should be decided by the people, This powers with great responsibility are very important to us all. It shouldn't be the crown responsible for everyone's lives. We should still have such military power available but rather decreased in power. Also supporting the retreat of troops in foreign lands, and dismantling any source of spending outside Canada in matters of military spending.
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Templarios on December 30, 2007, 04:38:11 PM
“We also, as a party, believe that this issue should be decided by the people – not by a person who was born into the position of power or by a few elected representatives. We would be taking the people to war so lets let the people choose.

We do believe in the Monarch as position that still has a ceremonial use for this country in terms of tourism and our great counties heritage but we must move forward with the times and the times are saying that is this no longer acceptable. Enfranchise the country.”

OOC: agree that a Constitution would be helpful…
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Zimmerwald on December 30, 2007, 08:27:08 PM
OOC: it can be found in Canada's natstats.
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Dysanii on December 31, 2007, 12:52:48 AM
Henry Belecono gives his view following the statements of the rival party leaders.

"Some of this talk is near traitorous! Restricting the powers of the Crown? Removing them? Unacceptable! I find each of your lack of faith in Her Majesty deeply disturbing. Let us not betray our traditional values and roots in these modern times - we should be encouraging the survival of such things!

"If anything we should broaden the powers of the monarchy. For the Empress to be a figure of hope and justice to the people, she should have the power to act as one! Let us not sell out to the demands of modern politics. Emergency powers are a necessity, especially in the current climate. I'd rather a divine Empress than a fascist dictator."
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Templarios on December 31, 2007, 11:54:53 AM
Roger Finestone cuts in:

"Me - a traitorous! I served this country in the forces whilst you were studying for your PhD and playing around in politics. We cant have crack-pop monarch sending our brave fighting men and women off to war on a whim... Did you not see what happen in Aiwa? The monarch was mad yet there was no way to remove him so they are still sorting out the mess 20 years on.

There is no level of accountability here."
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Dysanii on December 31, 2007, 12:02:42 PM
Henry Belecono quickly interjects, "'Playing around in politics?' Sir, if THAT is your view of the members our current governmental body, I sincerely hope you never take power! What would be your first acts as Lord Protector? Replacing the heart and sole of our democratic governing body with your own lackeys from the military, no doubt!"
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Delfos on December 31, 2007, 02:42:32 PM
"This is going to be fun if it continues like this, don't you agree?" looking to King and a quick look to Finestone.
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Zimmerwald on December 31, 2007, 06:05:34 PM
"For the aid of those watching this debate, I request that Mr. Belecono's original statement be replayed sentence by sentence so I may rebut each point of his seperately."

Quote from: Aemilian Free State on December 31, 2007, 12:52:48 AM
"Some of this talk is near traitorous! Restricting the powers of the Crown? Removing them? Unacceptable! I find each of your lack of faith in Her Majesty deeply disturbing.
Please stop with the ad hominem attacks, Mr. Belecono, and you too, Mr. Finestone, or I will ask the moderator to censure (ooc: not censor; it means to condemn conduct) you both.  Furthermore, Mr. Belecono, you will find that the Constitution is quite clear on the powers of the Empress.  Excepting the power to veto laws, the Empress' power is solely confined to the appointment of officials.   It is not only the Socialist Party, or the Progressive Party, or the Conservative Party, who want to restrict the Empress' powers; the people who wrote our Constitution saw clearly that such powers do not belong in the hands of a hereditary official whom nobody has the power to legally remove!

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Let us not betray our traditional values and roots in these modern times - we should be encouraging the survival of such things!
If you want to talk about tradition, Mr. Belecono, you cannot simply elevate Canada's monarchical tradition; you must take our entire tradition, including our democratic tradition, into account.  And given the state of our government before the Border War, before Alia was elevated by her emergency powers, one can clearly see that our democratic tradition was, and should remain, the stronger.

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"If anything we should broaden the powers of the monarchy. For the Empress to be a figure of hope and justice to the people, she should have the power to act as one! Let us not sell out to the demands of modern politics. Emergency powers are a necessity, especially in the current climate. I'd rather a divine Empress than a fascist dictator."
Actually, Mr. Belecono, and I have already pointed this out, the "current climate" does not demand that any figure, including the Empress, retain emergency powers.  The "current climate" does not in any way resemble an emergency.  Dysanii is dismembered, unable to attack Canada.  The DSA is occupied in the south, and our military is able to prevent any surprise attack that may come our way from the south.  The domestic state is stable, as evidenced by the fact that we are able to have this debate at all.  In point of fact, there is no emergency, and thus no need for emergency powers.

And as to your point about the current state being preferable to a fascist dictatorship, I totally agree.  However, the point is moot.  No major group in Canada is advocating fascism, nor is there any danger that a fascist group might take power.  No power in Taijitu has the military fiat to impose fascism on Canada.  Therefore the choice is not between fascism and autocracy.  The choice is between autocracy and democracy, and the Canadian people will support me when I say I prefer the latter!
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Aquatoria on December 31, 2007, 08:36:11 PM
"Alright, it now seems that we know everyone's views on this topic, so we will move on. The place of Canada in the world;since we are a fomer colony of the Inglish Empire, have the Inglish through PI as will as other PI members used us? Furthermore, should we pull away from PI? Canada has always been more worried about regional concerns, should Canada now get involved in golbal concerns, for example the Xyraeli-Colonial Wars? Also should the Canadian government continue to have the Imperial Federation or should that be dissolved?
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Zimmerwald on December 31, 2007, 09:09:00 PM
"You've asked several complex questions that demand nuanced answers, Charles.  I'll try to cover each as best I can; perhaps we can bicker amongst ourselves for a while after we've each given our opinions, so we may get a better understanding of one another.

"I believe that to answer your first question properly, it is important to look at the geopolitical situation of the American and European continents (OOC: if that's not the correct terminology, please let me know), particularly the geopolitical role played by Inglo-Scotia.  It is in the interest of that country to have a base of support on the American continent.  In the past, that interest has been achieved through Inglish colonialism, in Canada and further south.  It is the position of the Socialist Party that Inglish imperialism operates today through the PI alliance, and that Canada has been a tool of that imperialism by its participation.

"The Inglish have gained moral ascendency over us through their intervention in our wars with the DSA and Dysanii.  Though this intervention was vital in securing our continued existence, it did have the effect of placing Canada under Inglish influence.  It is the Inglo-Scotian position that we now owe them a favor or two.

"There are also powers in the PI that are, shall we say, unsavory, and with whom we should not be allied.

"It is the position of the Socialist Party that Canada should abandon not our staunch PI allies, but the PI structure that allows them to dominate us.  We should replace the PI treaty with bilateral treaties between Canada and: Myroria, the CSSD, Inglo-Scotia, and Christstan.  Bilateral treaties for mutual assistence will allow us to conduct our relations with these powers on a plane of equality and not be tools of their imperialism, while simultaneously cooling relations with such imperialistic powers as Feniexia.

"As for intervening in Xyrael's wars with its colonies, Canada does not have the power or the influence in the region to be able to do so.  We should work through the IPO to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, preferably involving independence.  Not only would such an arrangement be a blow to imperialism as a whole, it would demonstrate to the powers currently occupying Dysanii that Canada under the Socialist Party stands for the independence of all nations.

"Another step that would demonstrate this would be the dismantling of the Imperial Federation, which serves Canadian imperialism much as the PI serves Inglo-Scotian imperialism.  Again, the Socialist Party suggests substituting bilateral treaties with the former members of the Federation."
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Talmann on January 03, 2008, 06:48:28 AM
     "Though I do agree with some of your points, Mr. King, I do not think we should dismantle the Federation. It brings money to all parts of the Empire, and we can only benefit by maintaining what we have, though I think we can all agree that we need not go further, am I right? My views on Canada's place in global politics is to draw back, though not exit, from any military alliances such as Pax Imperium. I would refrain from entering in other alliances of the same and back off from those we are currently in. If the other nations will not accept us from backing off, only then will we cease membership.
     Also, I would invest more time in peace-spreading organizations, such as IPO. I feel that the press world-wide has focused too much on Canada's seemingly imperialistic attitude, and not enough of our peaceful nature. It's time we showed Taijitu that we can be helpful, too. You mentioned the wars in the Xyreali colonies. Here, I do agree with you, Mr. King. Canada should work with the IPO to end this hostility in the best manner possible, peace. Not only to show the Dysaniians... Not even to show our allies... But to show every citizen of every nation that we, Canadians, represent Peace!"
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Zimmerwald on January 03, 2008, 07:22:42 AM
"The problem with that argument, Mr. Martin, is that it is fundamentally inconsistent.  I agree with you that peace is a worthy goal, but to achieve it, the strictest consistency must be applied to all our policies.  The issue of the Xyraeli colonies and the Imperial Federation are parallels; no doubt the Xyraelis would say that their colonies bring money to all parts of their empire, at least when the population is compliant.  However, the fact that an independent government has claimed responsiblity over at least part of the territories in question, and the fact that Xyraeli forces have yet to quell what appears to be a popular uprising, shows us that the population there is likely ever to be compliant again.  Therefore, the only way to peace there is immediate and unconditional independence.

"As I said, Acadia represents a parallel situation.  Moderate forces there have indicated their wish for autonomy from Canada by creating their own regency, soon to be replaced by monarchy (OOC: see Canada's news thread).  There is armed rebellion in Acadia too, which is being directed against, and suppressed by, Canadian troops (OOC: see Red Uprising).  All this illustrates perfectly that Acadia, at least in the opinion of its population, is not independent, and that it should be.  The Socialist Party agrees with the people of Acadia, and would, if we gained power, withdraw our occupation troops and allow Acadia to go its own way.

"This sort of action would enhance our international prestige and make us more able to insert Canada as a benevolant presence elsewhere.  Only once we've established that Canada is no longer imperialistic, only once we've established good faith in the international community, will Canada be a force for peace.  Taking half measures and then demanding that other countries hold themselves to scruples which we ourselves scorn will get us nowhere."
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Delfos on January 03, 2008, 11:07:55 AM
"I believe Canada should be part of globalization, Canada can't loose the train. This would practically mean the reinforcement of Peace Keeping operations, and diplomatic attitude towards any issue in the world, such are the Xyraeli colonies matter. Also be part of economic globalization, also moderated through IPO, specially from Loyan coordinators. The News show Canada's internal market strenght to overcome from the Myrorian depression, this strenght must be used now to enforce our position in the Global market. I firmly believe this is the time to boost our economic capacity, so that we can be unchallenged in Taijitu."
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Templarios on January 03, 2008, 12:42:48 PM
Quote from: Delfos on January 03, 2008, 11:07:55 AM
"I believe Canada should be part of globalization, Canada can't loose the train. This would practically mean the reinforcement of Peace Keeping operations, and diplomatic attitude towards any issue in the world, such are the Xyraeli colonies matter. Also be part of economic globalization, also moderated through IPO, specially from Loyan coordinators. The News show Canada's internal market strenght to overcome from the Myrorian depression, this strenght must be used now to enforce our position in the Global market. I firmly believe this is the time to boost our economic capacity, so that we can be unchallenged in Taijitu."

We agree with our Honorable collegue here but only on the terms that it will benefit our people. We must use this global market to create more jobs for our citizens, lower the costs and use the increased money flowing into our country to make the heath service free, free education for all under the age of 22 and drive forward our social polices!
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Aquatoria on January 03, 2008, 05:07:50 PM
OOC: You all could agree on something? Since you all are answering questions outside of the ones I give, which is good this will be the last question.

"The next set of questions were going to be the Acadian issue, but you all seemed to have given your opinion on that, as well as other issues such as globalization and the Canadian market. So the next questions are about the military size and performance. The Canadian military is large and is powerful, but what will you do with it when you are Lord Protector? The Socialist arty has said that it will increase the Army size. Why? And is that a good idea? The Canadian military is now finally engaging in wars overseas, like the confusing Kailizerc conflct, and the war with the communist forces in Acadia. Will you continue this pattern of sending Canadian soldiers overseas to fight in wars. Also, the Canadian Navy is a powerful force in the American region, but some say that it could be and should as large as the Xyraeli Navy in order to be a force that truly should be reckoned with. Do you agree?"


Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Delfos on January 03, 2008, 08:36:48 PM
"Let me just comment on Mr Finestone's comment, just saying that he's too dreamy, and people will suffer from his dreams. Otherwise, I perfectly agree with the general concept.

About military, I've already commented about it, but let me add that, we shouldn't overcome ourselves, we can't go on there like cowboys and waste money on useless military cockfighting.
We should enforce the defensive structures, more efficient technology and trying to get the edge of it. And let the military personnel defend the territory as it is, with a some reduction."
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Zimmerwald on January 03, 2008, 10:03:47 PM
"Let me clarify the Socialist Party's position on increasing the size of the military.  This program is not stand-alone, and should be considered as a companion to our policies of letting Acadia be independent and asserting Canada's independence from the PI.  Obviously, eliminating Canada's dependence on its allies, a dependence which puts us basically at their mercy, will require a military buildup, of the Army, of the Navy, of the Air Force.  Increasing the size of the military is also a safeguard to ensure our security should goodwill and goodneighborliness fail to pacify our traditional rivals on this continent.  In addition to this, increasing the size of the military decreases the size of the civilian labor pool, and leads to an increase in wages, something no other party has promised, either in their platform or in this debate.  Needless to say soldiers, sailors, airmen will be well paid.

"In keeping with our vision of a Canada that is at once secure, a good neighbor, and a moral force in Taijitu, this enlarged military will be primarily defensive in nature.  The Socialist Party advocates a military that is able to protect Canada, and whose primary focus is protecting Canada, thus we are against the deployment of troops to other nations unless the nation in question requests their presence.

"As to the Navy, under our plan, it will be modestly enlarged, though not nearly to the size of the Xyraeli navy.  We simply don't need that size navy, as we don't have colonies to protect and pacity, and we can count on our allies as well as ourselves to police the sea lanes.  Not to mention expanding the navy is more expensive than expanding the other services."
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Templarios on January 03, 2008, 11:10:33 PM
Quote from: Delfos on January 03, 2008, 08:36:48 PM
"Let me just comment on Mr Finestone's comment, just saying that he's too dreamy, and people will suffer from his dreams. Otherwise, I perfectly agree with the general concept.

I ask the country and the panel - dreamy or visionary?

Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Zimmerwald on January 03, 2008, 11:32:19 PM
"I think we all know who the visionary is here, folks." ;)
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Templarios on January 03, 2008, 11:40:35 PM
"and we know who wants to expand our armed forces which equal further military engagements. I know that kind of spin when i see it. Spend your hard earned cash on a bigger armed forces to send aboard to spend even more of your hard earned cash on wars we don't want or need.

*dramatic pause for effect*

We believe in a armed force that can defend us, yes, but not cost us the earth. Cuts in management and cuts over-seas deployment of our brave fighting men and women is the way forward. We don't want they away from their loved ones dieing for causes that just bring more money to the arms dealers of this world. We want them home doing what they are paid to do by you, the tax payer - defending our land and shores.
Do you want your dollars spent on the next thousands bullets to fund some distant war that has no benefit to you or spend those dollars on things that really matter to you? If yes, vote for us and our boys and girls in the armed forces will be home where they belong and we will be able to drive forward our visionary plan for education, health and social policies."
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Zimmerwald on January 04, 2008, 01:01:03 AM
"Mr. Finestone, don't try to decieve the audience.  You're a better man than that.  Besides, it's a futile exercise.  One need only look at hte platforms to see who's in the right here.  It is not the Progressives' platform that calls for withdrawal of Canadian troops from foreign soil; it si the Socialist Party's.  It is not the Progressive Party that explicitly sets Canada against imperialism; it is the Socialist Party.  If you want to talk about bringing benefits to Canadians, it is not the Progressive Party that has pushed for higher wages, and will deliver if elected; it is the Socialist Party.  It is not the Progressive Party that will help workers to own the businesses in which they labor.  It is the Socialist Party.  If all you've got is a few more addenda to the already comprehensive welfare state, then I'm afraid that your platform comes up rather short.

"Furthermore, I seem to recall that the current government is headed by the Progressive Party.  It is under Progressive leadership that our troops continue to occupy Acadia and intervene in Kaliazerc.  If you wanted to run as a peace candidate, Mr. Finestone, I'm afraid your party's record is against you.

"Folks, even an expanded military stationed safely on Canadian soil would be less expensive than the two occupations which have been the fruits of Progressive rule.  The Socialist Party has shown that a buildup, along with other measures such as subsidizing worker-owned businesses, will increase the wages and economic power of ordinary people.  Just think about it; government working for you, keeping you safe and letting you be happy to boot."
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Delfos on January 04, 2008, 03:23:55 AM
"I guess you're both visionaries. The military spending has been boosted to breaking point since the war against DSA. We cannot continue to spend so much in something we do not need, specially now that peace is secured, and the power must be defended, not over spent. We should focus on the market and the social services.
Mr King, I must say your ideals for the Socialist Party are twisting the real deal, by your sound, you will loose fidelity, more and more socialists are joining the Liberal Party. I should be thanking you, but I fear your twist is only supporting the wrong interests."

ooc: weird...Liberal and Progressive arguing with Socialist about military power...the world is going to an end.
Title: Re: Political Campaign For Lord Protector
Post by: Aquatoria on January 04, 2008, 03:29:34 AM
"Well, this is the end of the political campagin for all members. We thank all of you here and your answers to country's questions. Elections are beginning right now. Good day and good luck."

OOC: There is a poll for all to vote in, not just the candidates.