Taijitu
Forum Meta => Role Play => Archived Role Play Boards => Archive => General Roleplay => Topic started by: Aquatoria on December 04, 2007, 09:38:52 PM
-
I have noticed that I and probably others are biased about our characters because they are an extension of ourselves, so I wnat to know what kind of person Empress Alia, the Empress of Canada is, by the view of the world. There are six people who are posting here that will debate her policies. Three are supporters and the other three are opposers. If you are not one of the six, send a PM of your opnion of her policies and they will post it here and we will address it.
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/73/180px-Ghanima2.jpg)
This is Empress Alia. She is the only child of Emperor Paul and Empress Selene. She took the throne when she was sixteen after her father was assassinated and she is now nineteen on her way to twenty. She may be ruthless, but her intentions are for the good of the country. She is not a supporter of a maritime colonial empire unlike her father. She however what's to create a federation of imperial dominions on the South Continent and the Empire where the dominions all have a voice.
These are Alia's policies:
Modernized the military
Is in support of a federation of the Canadian Empire and her dominions
The creation of the secret police and it's use
The increase of Canadian power on the continent
Allowing the newly formed Kingdom of Acadia to have self-rule and a small defense force.
The creation of a PI missile defense shield in space
These are the teams
Supporters:
Nathaniel
Emperor Hiendrick
Barakarin
Opposers:
Gallipoli-China
St Oz
Myroria
now let's begin with the Empress Alia's policy of the modernizing the military. We have seen all the new toys that the Canadian military has, such as the Tiger Tank and the new battle armor. So discuss.
-
OOC: uhh...i kinda of confused...do we like, just talk about it? or do we have to like, RP it.
-
talk about it.
-
Oh, ok.
I agree with the Empress missile shield, because, for one, no longer will for innocents be killed under radiation. However, it would be nice if Non-PI members could have access to this shield.
-
(is this IC or OOC?)
-
Dysanii shouldn't be annexed by Canada at all; the DSA is far more a threat.
A secret police force only decreases the level of rights the citizens have. They have a huge tendency to stop playing by the rules a while after they're founded. They'll skip over the little "warrant" part. I dread to see this in any PI nation, but that's probably because myself and SDixie are fairly libertarian. I dislike Feniexia's meritocracy with a passion because merit = birth and birth = money, but that'd a whole other thread.
-
OOC: My correspondant's a Gelibolu by birth, Xyraeli by assimilation
IC: One wonders why Myroria is in the PI at all, if it finds its allies' behavior so unsatisfactory. I kid, of course. However, I see only naked ambition at work in the effort to create this "Federation." I forsee aggressive wars to expand this "Federation" should it be created, and the complete destruction of the already precarious balance of power on the American continent. The way I see it, the extension of Canadian power on this continent can only be concluded by war against the DSA and the Dysanii remnant, something which is simply intolerable for those of us who would prefer peace.
The creation of a secret police can only have one real objective: political repression of those who oppose the other policies that have been outlined by the Empress.
-
We find every nation unsatisfactory.
^Ever hear about the survey about the world's food shortage?
The IPO once conducted a survey to see what the populace of Taijitu "Would you please give your honest opinion about solutions to the food shortage in the rest of the world?"
In Gallipoli-China, they didn't know what "food" meant.
In Dysanii, they didn't know what "honest" meant.
In Delfos, they didn't know what "shortage" meant.
In Xyrael, they didn't know what "opinion" meant.
On the American continent, they didn't know what "solution" meant.
In Ozia, they didn't know what "please" meant.
In Myroria, they didn't know what "The rest of the world" meant.
So, to destroy the risk this will be taken for a Bara tangent, the moral of the story is, the Earth, moon, and stars revolve around Myroria.
-
OOC: lol. carry on
-
Continuing with my stance that annexing Dysanii is harmful:
Myroria, as you know, is both relatively benign towards Dysanii and is very big on national identity on any nation. Thus, we'll never join the IPO and will refuse any PI amendment that infringes on our freedom.
So, we are against Dysanii's annexation by Canada, or let alone Feniexia, who has no claim at all besides that they used to own it (Why don't I move in and take New Delfos or Southern Canada and Northern DSA, I mean, the Pelagian Empire USED to own them!)
Keeping Dysanii intact is a vital part of their national identity. Rather than forcing Dysanii into a union they do not wish to be in, why not put in restrictions against their military? You need not move in and annex their land when a treaty will suffice.
-
ooc: I'm a bit confused, are we RPing nazi people from our nations saying we are great or weren't we supposed to discuss about Canada?
ic: Secret Police would prevent emergent dangerous groups to be formed against Canadian Federation.
Allowing the newly formed Kingdom of Acadia to have self-rule and a small defense force would take Canadian responsibility out for nursing and administrating this territory.
Canada won two wars! The Canadian are surely deserve to have more power in that continent than any other!
And finally the missile defense would give Canadians the finest protection and the people would live safe.
-
Secret Police would prevent emergent dangerous groups to be formed against Canadian Federation.
Isn't that what regular police are for? To prevent the rise of dangerous and violent groups, and to control their activities? Since this is so, why have a secret police? Why have a group responsible not to the public, not to the Parliament, but only to the Empress? The secret police is nothing more than a tool for political repression, and a way for Alia to assert her supremacy over the elected Parliament.
Allowing the newly formed Kingdom of Acadia to have self-rule and a small defense force would take Canadian responsibility out for nursing and administrating this territory.
You seem to accept the Kingdom of Acadia as a fact; however, Acadia is not an accomplished fact. It is not created, it is proposed. It is not recognized by the international community, and it should remain that way. Dysanii should not be dismembered to serve Canadian imperialism.
Canada won two wars! The Canadian are surely deserve to have more power in that continent than any other!
Let's not fool ourselves here; Canada would have lost both wars had it not been sucking at the teat of Feniexia, Inglo-Scotia, and Myroria. By your logic, it should not be Canada that gets to dominate this continent, but that troika. Needless to say, your logic is wrong.
-
ooc: Canada you gave me a hard job, I agree in all points of what ^ he ^ said. Hard to make logic on something I do not believe.
Isn't that what regular police are for? To prevent the rise of dangerous and violent groups, and to control their activities? Since this is so, why have a secret police? Why have a group responsible not to the public, not to the Parliament, but only to the Empress? The secret police is nothing more than a tool for political repression, and a way for Alia to assert her supremacy over the elected Parliament.
No, Canadian regular police is for public security, secret police is for the federal security, state business. An emergent dangerous group, like an irresponsible Dysaniian wackos wanting to take over Canada, might not be harmful for the public in general, but it will harm the Canadian Federation as a whole, thus harming the population further on. The secret police will act secretly so that this groups won't fake being honest and loyal to the Federation when they are dishonest and hypocritical!
You seem to accept the Kingdom of Acadia as a fact; however, Acadia is not an accomplished fact. It is not created, it is proposed. It is not recognized by the international community, and it should remain that way. Dysanii should not be dismembered to serve Canadian imperialism.
You assume then Canada needs no repair from it's losses after two bloody wars. Dysanii dared to mess with Canada, now he has to pay for his importune! It's only fair that Canada gets the western provinces of Acadia, their people are practically Canadian, they even celebrate some of our holy-days and the gastronomy is basically the same. They won't mind being annexed, specially now they might want to run away from Dysanii that caused them so much pain. We are offering them salvation, a chance to be part of the good side, and the best nation they can be in. They will beg to be part of the Federation!
Let's not fool ourselves here; Canada would have lost both wars had it not been sucking at the teat of Feniexia, Inglo-Scotia, and Myroria. By your logic, it should not be Canada that gets to dominate this continent, but that troika. Needless to say, your logic is wrong.
Yes our allies have done a great job, but we were the ones dieing for Canada, we were the ones killing for Canada, we were the ones that won both wars. We deserve to be repay for our losses and the power of the Federation must not be challenged. The Federation is the ultimate power, and we shall flourish our influence in the continent, specially trough economy, expanding our market beyond frontiers. We will be the greatest ally of our friends and the fierce nightmare of our enemies, thus reinforcing the power of our beloved alliance in the continent and the world!
-
What about the power void on the South Continent? The Democratic States were a powerful country for many years, but then PI helped free the southern states. A war that Canada played a major role. After that war, there was a power void about who will succeed the DSA as the power on the continent. The Inglish spend most of their time locked away on their island and will only come out and play when war threatens their allies. CDixie are becoming strong, but not that strong yet. The DSA has lost two wars in a row and has already started a third. So the only nation with any success on the American continent has been the Canadian Empire. So the Canadian Empire is most likely to fill that power void.
ooc:Greater Canada is becoming a power on the continent because of its allies, but wasn't that how the United States became a superpower.
-
OOC: The US became a superpower by violating their own constitution, not by relying on their allies. If they practiced what they preached, there would be a fourth North American nation right now.
IC:
No, Canadian regular police is for public security, secret police is for the federal security, state business. An emergent dangerous group, like an irresponsible Dysaniian wackos wanting to take over Canada, might not be harmful for the public in general, but it will harm the Canadian Federation as a whole, thus harming the population further on. The secret police will act secretly so that this groups won't fake being honest and loyal to the Federation when they are dishonest and hypocritical!
If Canada is a great power, as is claimed, would a couple of idiots from a defeated country really pose a threat to such a powerful empire? Secret police would ideally only be needed to flush out a huge, organized group, and then disband immediately after. When secret police are posed with peace instead of war, they quickly become tools for an absolute ruler to overstep their boundries.
You assume then Canada needs no repair from it's losses after two bloody wars. Dysanii dared to mess with Canada, now he has to pay for his importune! It's only fair that Canada gets the western provinces of Acadia, their people are practically Canadian, they even celebrate some of our holy-days and the gastronomy is basically the same. They won't mind being annexed, specially now they might want to run away from Dysanii that caused them so much pain. We are offering them salvation, a chance to be part of the good side, and the best nation they can be in. They will beg to be part of the Federation!
Who says they will? Canadians, in Dysanii. If we are allowed to break the fourth wall and look at RL here, the disunification of Germany only lead to deaths and prejudice, intensifying the Cold War. Who's to say the same won't happen to the "Republic of Acadia" and the rest of Dysanii? Canada has no claim on the rightful land of Dysanii. If I was to go over and kick my neighbor's ass, do I get his house? No, that's not how civilized nations work.
Yes our allies have done a great job, but we were the ones dieing for Canada, we were the ones killing for Canada, we were the ones that won both wars. We deserve to be repay for our losses and the power of the Federation must not be challenged. The Federation is the ultimate power, and we shall flourish our influence in the continent, specially trough economy, expanding our market beyond frontiers. We will be the greatest ally of our friends and the fierce nightmare of our enemies, thus reinforcing the power of our beloved alliance in the continent and the world!
Then demand reparations and the reduction of Dysanii's military. What does taking Dysanii's land serve you in the long run? More mouths to feed, and more people to protect. Empires are the domain of the 1500's and Warhammer 40,000, not modern politics. If anything, a medium-sized, rich nation would prosper more than a massive empire that has to feed millions, if not billions of people.
-
What about the power void on the South Continent? The Democratic States were a powerful country for many years, but then PI helped free the southern states. A war that Canada played a major role. After that war, there was a power void about who will succeed the DSA as the power on the continent. The Inglish spend most of their time locked away on their island and will only come out and play when war threatens their allies. CDixie are becoming strong, but not that strong yet. The DSA has lost two wars in a row and has already started a third. So the only nation with any success on the American continent has been the Canadian Empire. So the Canadian Empire is most likely to fill that power void.
Ah, but should it endeavor to fill that power void by taking its neighbors' territory? (OOC: the apostraphe is where it is because my character predicts that you will try to conquer the DSA) You make it sound as if Canada could fill the power void by default. If so, then why not? Why bother taking the territory of States that have just as much legitimacy as yours? Don't try to wrap your ambitions in shades of "manifest destiny" or any other such self-justifying tactic. This is imperialism, plain and simple.
Anyway, you never bothered to justify the creation of a secret police. Why do you need such a police? Why do you need to cause your citizens so much fear? The only use that any secret police has, and has ever had throughout history, is to repress and reduce the possibility of dissent. If this is parliamentary democracy, then I for one am glad that Xyrael doesn't have it!
-
Dira Salma Na'hir (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/images/1733_europe/4102127_iran555.jpg) noticed she was different from many of the people at the conference. Unlike them she was probably the only one who grew up from the dead poverty of St Oz City and even saw her mother and father put to death by Moacians. However after the death of her parents and being a single child she inherited what money they had, she invested this money into some land along the river at 17. At the time she had no clue what she was doing and got other Ozians to tend her land and she got 50% of the crop's profit. At 29 she now had a net value of 200 million Pei, making her the richest woman in divine Ozia. Salma also was the only one in the room with a blank expression, and only one that didn't speak a word of Inglish. She brought with her, her Inglish speaker. As the Ozian woman muttered Ozian, the translator spoke out, "My colleague that tongues the Inglish language here tells me that you think Canada is most powerful through everyone else's defeats. There is a well-known proverb of Ozian Sand-walkers, 'when all tribes in an area have sought zuavka and had no success, what say when your time comes to gather zuavka will you be plentiful?' Though your southern continent is not the great desert of Gaea, I don't believe that such a void is a believable, what you speak of is the victories of war. There are more fronts in society than that of the sword. I know of an Inglish saying, "The Pen is greater than the sword", Well I believe that pen and sword are equals along with leadership, economy, and diplomacy. Even though your military wins over countries, what difference is that to your economy? You pay more for the sword which makes your pen, economy, and diplomacy suffer. While the Inglish still maintain their Economical virtue, Diplomatic friendliness, and stability."
-
Well, any intelligence agency can be considered secret police, Alia is going to disband the secret police, but let them stay as intelligence agents once the Dysanii thing blows over.
-
Actually, any reliable dictionary will give you a definition of secret police similar to this one: "a police force that functions as the enforcement arm of a government's political policies and whose activities, which often include surveillance, intimidation, and physical violence as a means of suppressing dissent, are usually concealed from the public." The secret police is not an intelligence agency, which is normally concerned with gathering information about threats from other States. It is entirely an internal body, concerned with the suppression of dissent, and the fact that Alia wants to create one, indeed has created one makes her entire policy discreditable.
-
Actually, any reliable dictionary will give you a definition of secret police similar to this one: "a police force that functions as the enforcement arm of a government's political policies and whose activities, which often include surveillance, intimidation, and physical violence as a means of suppressing dissent, are usually concealed from the public." The secret police is not an intelligence agency, which is normally concerned with gathering information about threats from other States. It is entirely an internal body, concerned with the suppression of dissent, and the fact that Alia wants to create one, indeed has created one makes her entire policy discreditable.
It's an intelligence agency with the authority for immediate action!
-
To do what? Imprison, torture, coerce citizens, prevent them from speaking and writing, from forming political parties and groups, or supporting those that already exist but are in opposition. That is the only function that a secret police can have; history has proved this, and it is embedded in the very definition of the term!
-
I've a question, isn't this supposed to be RP based? Myroria comes with 40k and other shit, you come with secret police history when there's few cases in Taijitu, are we basing this off RP?
ic: Those actions guarantee our security, and reinforce the power of the Federation. Anything a Federation citizen wants, to feel safe in his comfy home, with his family.
-
OOC: Whats wrong with 40k?
-
Isn't exactly good matter for an In Character Debate on someone's policies.
-
yeah, but still. i like 40k...
-
OOC: You do know that I-S has secret police (at least he's RPd them in the past), that Xyrael has secret police, and that Ryazania (whose nation is defunct) had secret police, don't you, Delfos? It's not like they're new.
IC: Oh, and Federation citizens feel safer when their own government is placing them under surveillence, when they can be disappeared at any time for holding an opinion contrary to Alia's, when they might be murdered in the dead of night by a supposedly democratic state? Apparantly Canadian citizens have a strange mutation that turns the fear response on its head.
A secret police, as I've explained to you earlier and you don't seem to understand, is a totally internal arm of the government. It does nothing to secure the country from foreign foes, nothing to gather intelligence, nothing, in other words, to ensure national security. It exists for one purpose and one purpose only; to crush liberty.
You could argue that suppression of dissent leads to greater national cohesion and power, but that is an extraordinarily weak and easily refuted argument. Citizens under surveillence are not happy. They slow down on the job, decreasing GDP. Morale in the armed forces falls, decreasing fighting effectiveness. Democratic government becomes a sham, decreasing the political efficacy of citizens, and decreasing their support for government of any sort.
-
ooc: Canada, you will have to explain how your secret police idea even came to the debate, and how I should defend it, because I can't find arguments against GC.
GC, yes i know, I think there's others who might have secret police, anyway, their actions aren't widely known, I know nothing about repression of I-S or whoever using their secret police, although I know everything you said, I can't really find more arguments to defeat your points unless banging more into the safty of the citizens, even if their privacy or tax is being raped.
That would be impossible in New Delfos...or maybe not lol...for some time I'm wanting to RP an emergent dictatorship and a sort of anarchy right after, with several groups fighting for power. But that takes too much of my precious time...maybe around Christmas.
ic: It's a risk we can take, I rather them watching my naked back if that makes me feel safe. A true citizen of the Federation must not be ashamed and must have nothing to hide, it's suspicious if he does have something to hide, don't you think so? I'm happy with surveillence, it makes the streets safe, the Federation will prosper in that climate, not the opposite as you suggest.
-
OOC: Now you know how I felt arguing in favor of attacking Iran at a debate tournament. Trust me; there's always a counter-argument.
IC: What exactly are you afraid of? Afraid big bad commies are coming to get you and your family? Afraid some random group is going to kidnap your son or daughter? You couldn't be afraid of other nations, otherwise you'd be advocating for a larger army; anyone advocating for a secret police is in fear of internal enemies, and if Canada's government is so bad that it has spawned dissent, then it deserves to be overthrown.
What you're saying really is that a citizen of the Federation must be a simple cog in the machine of State. Unfortunately democracy doesn't work like that. If you want Canada to become a dictatorship, simply come out and say so, rather than hiding behind platitiudes of "safety."
And no, secret police doesn't make the streets safe; that's the job for regular police. Secret police make the people less safe, because they have to fear their own government.
-
I don't fear my government, that's a bad assumption by your part. The Federation isn't a dictatorship, it's a democracy that answers to Alia. Alia is the symbol of the Canadian Federation, together with the currency, National Anthem, Language and Flag they form the equilateral pillars of our nation. If you take away one of our symbols and the unity of the Nation makes no sense. Alia will always be a symbol of Canada, that's unquestionable. The government otherwise is free and democratic, taking care of the Canadian Federal Society. The police is for this society, while the secret police is the shield and sword of the Empress. Long live Alia! (yay!)
-
The Federation isn't a dictatorship, it's a democracy that answers to Alia
If the government answers to Alia, then it is not a democracy. Simple.
OOC: thanks for shooting yourself in the foot. :-P
-
Administrator Fay Celen (http://npshare.de/files/36/9520/Anti_Goth_by_Porcelain_Requiem.png), sent as Feniexian analyst and representant, quiet and listening calmly until now, rose from her chair.
"Well, not entering any needless discussions about democracy - most of you should know the Feniexian opinion on the inefficiency of common people ruling nations...I partly agree with the Gallipolli-Chinesian representant. A secret police, as by usual definition, is there to suppress people. The question is not if such actions are morally acceptable; but, if they are needed. I doubt that the Canadian Empire is politically unstable, so what groups shall be exterminated by it? Yes, it is necessary for a government to tighten it's grip on it's nation - but in your case, a secret police would do more harm than good. Canadian citizens are not trying to revolt, they love their nation, they do not despise their government. If Empress Alia wants to provide her nation's residents security, she should fund police and state intelligence organizations. Those protect the nation, those are defensive measures. A secret police is a rather offensive tool - but when there is no enemy, isn't it better to rely on defense instead?"
OOC:
btw, what happened to Hoshi, Canada?
-
ooc: I shot Canada in the foot...omg. Canada you have to give me some guidelines, I'm shooting blind.
-
Well, I think I know what to do with the secret police, I will disband the secret police. I changed the name because..I don't know, I just like the name ALia.
-
Ah! No more secret police! Wise decision Alia! Long Live Alia! And yet, the people of the Federation still feel safe because of the wisdom of their empress!
-
Like meritocracy works any better than democracy. I'd personally have Myroria become a republic than a meritocracy.
This still does not solve the problem of annexing Dysanii. You have no right - no right - to take Dysanii's land, even if you lost. That ended with WWII. Maybe the Dysanii don't want to be forced into being Canadians. Maybe they want their freedom. Citizens will fight against any government, no matter how much "peace" or "wealth" it brings, if they know they are occupiers.
To set the record straight right now, I'd support a future Dysanii secession attempt, if one ever happened.
-
OOC: thoughts are italicized.
IC: So the opinions of a Xyraeli journalist, of a publication with little reputation, have an influence over the monarch of the realm of Canada? Interesting...
-
ooc: I smell conflict of characters in RP, something about this "support a future Dysanii secession attempt", with recent declarations, doesn't feel good.
-
PI is first and foremost, a military organization. We depend on each other in battle, even if we have differing viewpoints. Something such as this should not cause a schism.
If you think Myroria is contradicting itself by our recent declarations, note we opposed Dysanii's invasion of Canada and fought for Canada, but that doesn't mean we think Dysanii should be annexed. Myroria supports any secession attempt that will not directly endanger Myroria, as you've seen. Though I don't think this is what you meant.
-
Myroria, would you have had these same objections if I had rightly lost the war.
-
OOC: I feel some strange process of mixing IC and OOC is going on in this thread...is this debate now IC or OOC?
-
it really doesn't matter. IC or OOC, It helps me with my goal.
Now lets move on to the modernizing of the military. for example the decision to create the Tiger Tank, and also to change the uniforms in the current battle uniforms. (The EU Enforcers from Endwar.)
-
That's what we're doing in Dysanii, we aren't annexing anything, I'm actually waiting for a democratic government to take over Dysanii and make armed forces surrender. As long there's armed forces fighting and an irresponsible government the problem isn't solved.
-
A "responsible government" that'll take orders from its Canadian and Delfian masters of course.
-
And if I had lost, Dys would be make a responsible government in Canada that will take orders from it's Dysaniian masters.
-
Sure is, and we, or at least I, want to leave as soon as possible, the plan is that IPO *could* make things easy and over-view the elections of a government and we *could* all sit down and settle the military restrictions to Dysanii.
-
OOC: I could agree to that. I already got what I wanted. But I have a feeling that I might have to fight for that damn isle.
-
"Why bother with elections at all? The masses are stupid. Stupid people like other stupid people, so the elected leaders will be as stupid and incompetent as their predecessors, if not even more. Besides, if I might repeat my Emperor's words: the Dysaniian nation has proven it's inability to rule themselves again and again. I can not understand your trust in them. They will betray you. The only way to ensure peace on the American-Canadian continent is a enforced peace; coming generations might agree with the Canadian Empire's policies, but the current ones are just seeing Canada as the nation who defeated their forces, as their enemy."
Then, Fay Celen took a short break, before continuing her speech.
"To the modernization of the Canadian army - the Canadian Empire has full Feniexian support on this subject. As the Enlightened Empire believes, technology is the key to our glory. Every competent leader will see that his or her nation will always be at least equal to other nations when it comes to technology."
-
And that is why I am putting a Governor-General in Acadia so that way if the Prime Minister is abusing his power, the Governor-General can strip him of his powers without even having to go to Parliament. So that way, there isn't a repeat border war. It will be a long while before I trust the Acadians to govern themselves.
-
So you should ignore stupid people? Pity that's what the Feye have come to, because of course anyone besides them are stupid.
Yes, I would naturally object to Dysanii chopping you up if you had lost the war.
So now the governor-general can just strip the Prime Minister of his power? Without listening to the people? You propose taking Dysanii's land, and now you propose taking their people's tongues? This would be a travesty of epic proportions.
-
No, if the Prime Minister abuses his power, I want the Governor-General to instead of going to the Acadian Parliament to strip him of his powers, I instead want the Govenor-General to go to the highest legislation of both the empire and the kingdom, the Federation Parliament. The Federation Parliament is an elected body from both Canada and Acadia so there is an unbiased vote.
-
Who is elected to the Federation Parliament? Dysanii or Canadians?
-
Both
-
Interesting. Though I still find the idea of a Dysanii forced into submission and annexation deplorable.
-
Well, forced or not, the Acadians will have a voice equal to the empire in the Federation. I think I am giving them lots of rope for a defeated nation.
-
(Writing from an Imperial Officer who fought alongside Canadians)
"Throughout the course of known events, we have come to understand what a nation must do to become great in such an imperialist, expansionist world. Things like strong government, a highly mobile and well equipped military, and a free market economy are amongst the requirements for great success in this modern world. The Canadian government, through her grand leadership, has not only demonstrated the presence of these factors, they have excelled in all the fields. Empress Alia, through her intuitive and inventive policies, has led the Canadian people through times of great hardship and trials. She has carried them through all these successfully, despite her lack of experience. In the years to come, with age and her wisdom, she shall see Canada rise to the highest levels of power and respect in all international circles. Long live the Empress!"
-
ooc: psuhes a tear away because of hearing a beautiful speech. I foresee a golden age for Canada soon. A golden age of peace and prosperity for Canada and her dominions.
-
Ok, before this thread ends, I want an opinion from everyone and not just the ones who participated in this. What is your opinion of Alia and why?
-
Loyanese Public Opinion: Alia is the child of a old and questionable monarch tradition. The Empress is struggling to preserve this monarchic dynasty in the face of growing liberalism and democracy among her people and those of the international populous. While her monarchic origins go against the conscience of most Loyanese, we can forgive her as long as maintains her non-oppressive and liberal policies with her citizens.
Official Loyanese Opinion: The Empress is a shining example of lenient and fair leader, who maintains the proper amount of slack and mentality. Her family's dynasty is a proper reminiscence of our Chancellor years, where we too had the benefit of a visionary figure to guide our nation through its development.
-
Feniexian Public Opinion:
While Empress Alia is still young and unexperienced, she had already done much good for her nation, although she also has taken some more questionable actions, like the foundation of a Canadian federation. But there is no doubt that there lies great potential within her; she just still needs to find the right path to reign.
Official Feniexian Opinion:
Empress Alia shows great leading capabilities, which goes far beyond her biological age. As long as she maintains her current path and continues sharpening her abilities, Canada is awaiting a prosperous new era.
-
Myrorian Public Opinion:
Why ask? It's the same for any nation, allied or enemy. Alia's an outlander, she's not our queen, we don't care.
Myrorian Official Opinion:
Alia is dangerously authoritarian. But, it has brought some benefits such as a rich nation. However, the increasing Canadian power may impede on Myroria's status in the globe.
-
Good, I hope it does. :-P You have been my political rival for awhile now.
-
Gelibolu Public Opinion: Alia? Who's Alia? We're starved for information about the outside world.
Gelibolu Official Opinion: Does not exist, as there is no officialdom.
:-P
My OOC opinion: Alia must be stopped.
-
Cantrian Public Opinion: Stupid American warmongers holing up our troops in IPO camps when they could be rebuilding the office building I used to work in...
Cantrian Official Opinion: Alia is a shining example of the benefits that can come to a people when a just, fair-minded dictator is in power. Dictatorships have been left with a bad name because of the despots and tyrants that were prevalent through history, but people like Alia help dispell these delusions and will help to usher in a new era of progress and unity in both the American continent and the world at large...
Opinion of Cantrian Officials: ...Which is why we're going to kidnap her, torture her, and ultimately execute her. Mwahahahaha!!!
-
damn everone is out to kill her. Either she is too good, or she's that bad.
-
they all envy her! You nuts! she's the most righteous leader I've ever seen, and by far, the most beautiful!
-
suckup.
-
I'm 'payed' for it, and It's my pleasure to promote Alia.
-
Lol I thought this was OOC, since Canada's basically said this debate's over.
-
oh, I didn't notice. DOWN WITH ALIA!
-
Poor Alia :'( .
-
ND Public Opinion: Fine if they just stay away from ND.
ND Official Opinion: Good luck!
ND Defense Opinion: We should keep an eye on them.
ND Left Extremist Opinion: ND should be responsible for her assassination!
ND Right Extremist Opinion: Ah! We should do the same! Maybe Prince Delfos should marry her so that she gets the chance to influence him. Down with the Supreme Council!