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Offline Solnath

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« on: April 03, 2007, 07:34:00 PM »
Some of you might consider this to be a trick question, but considering it seriously, would the world be a better place without violence in any of its known forms?
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Offline Ryazania

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Re: Violence
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2007, 07:37:37 PM »
To quote his Majesty Napoléon I, Emperor of the French

" The currency of politics is power, and the greatest power lies in the ability to cause physical destruction. "

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Re: Violence
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2007, 09:24:21 PM »
Yes, but it ain't gonna happen anytime soon and unfortunately there will always be certain extreme situations which call for some form of it.
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Re: Violence
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2007, 09:50:01 PM »
Yes, however... well, see Prag. ^

Edit: I actually MEANT to click NO, but somehow in the process my mind got confused and clicked YES. Oh well... Violence should be used in the most dire of situations on the large scale (between nations). However, on a small scale (between people) it is inevitable. It is human nature to not agree with everyone. Primal instinct has us play-fight, just look at puppies or kittens or whatnot. They play to learn, and if one gets hurt, oh well, they learn to not do that. So YES, life without violence would be nice... but it won't ever happen.
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Re: Violence
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 10:07:32 PM »
"Who has a problem with me?"

"I do."  BANG BANG!  Two to the back of the head.

"I'll ask again.  Who has a problem with me?"

No one says anything.

"Good, problem solved."
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Re: Violence
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 10:12:32 PM »
Violence is the force that keeps us human. If there were no violence we'd all be sitting in a circle watching Oprah and singing Kumbayah. And war is the highest, but most hellish, form of glory.
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Re: Violence
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 11:50:13 PM »
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war is the highest, but most hellish, form of glory.
Um... are you serious Myrorian?

We must define violence to continue this discussion. I will use the Merriam-Webster Online dictionary as the basis for mine.

violence n.
1) a : exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse
    b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure
    c : responsibility for violence as defined in (a), deliberately, or through inaction

Violence is only useful to counter more violence. A world without violence would have no need for it.
An example of a case in which violence should be used is this one: http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=6161317

We are human, and should behave as such; our ability to overcome our most primal instincts is what distinguishes us from animals. We lose our humanity through violence, unless it is justified in the way I suggested in the previous paragraph.
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Re: Violence
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2007, 12:06:08 AM »
Who tends to be more respected in just about any country: A soldier or a hippie who throws rocks at soldiers?

Secondly, let's assume that Earth had no violence. Because it would have no violence, what if you get attacked in the woods by a bear? What would you do?
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Re: Violence
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2007, 12:47:27 AM »
No war but class war!
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Re: Violence
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2007, 01:39:12 AM »
@MHC...

My point was violence can be used to counter other violence. In your bear example it would of course be necessary to defend yourself.

And soldiers are respected because
1. They're willing to kill and die for their country
2. Most people desire their country to kill for a sense of superiority over other countries

Respect is invalid in this argument because we are dealing in hypotheticals.
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Re: Violence
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2007, 01:43:35 AM »
"Who has a problem with me?"

"I do."  BANG BANG!  Two to the back of the head.

"I'll ask again.  Who has a problem with me?"

No one says anything.

"Good, problem solved."
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BANG BANG! Two to the back of the head.

oz says "I do..."
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Re: Violence
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2007, 03:04:55 AM »
Quote from: St Oz on April 04, 2007, 01:43:35 AM
"Who has a problem with me?"

"I do."  BANG BANG!  Two to the back of the head.

"I'll ask again.  Who has a problem with me?"

No one says anything.

"Good, problem solved."

BANG BANG! Two to the back of the head.

oz says "I do..."

Oz wins.
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Re: Violence
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2007, 08:28:31 AM »
what would happen if there wasn't any violence?

there would be too many people, nothing interesting would happen and we wouldn't have any events at all. that's why violence is needed but killing people is a bit out of order. Nothing wrong with the Die Hard films though!! New Die Hard out in July
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Offline Solnath

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Re: Violence
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2007, 08:39:43 AM »
Remember, authority is violence.
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Re: Violence
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2007, 03:25:04 PM »
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Secondly, let's assume that Earth had no violence. Because it would have no violence, what if you get attacked in the woods by a bear? What would you do?

Present a well thought out argument as to why I shouldn't be eaten.
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