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Forum Meta => Archive => General Discussion Archive => Topic started by: Delfos on January 02, 2008, 08:16:06 PM
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Hugo Chavez' prophecy is complete, 100$/barrel, yay!
Another war for USA?
Another 9/11?
Another Bush?
What will be the option this time? Whoever gets presidency...will make the fate of USA, Crash or Avoid Crash is the question, because I doubt anyone will come out with a cheap reliable answer, unless that person reforms whole budget system of USA, Mike Gravel? Myro's beloved Ron Paul?
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*baras jaw drops*
you shitting me. 100$ for a barreal?!
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(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1377/855554308_c8a16fab9a.jpg)
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i dont get it.
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Same but the $100 a barrel for oil is not good as i run a car!
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Thank you OC.
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Yes avoiding discussion is your best weapon, rule without challenge.
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You left nothing to discuss, you posted a fact then you posted a bunch of random conclusions to go with it, hence my post. The fact of the matter is you know nothing about public opinion in America. You just assume that Americans are just war hungry machines that need oil and innocent blood to support life. Of all the news I heard about this, which is not much, not one mentioned anything that you wanted to "discuss". Every time you try to play the role as a stereotypical America hater you just show how little you know about our country and how much of a fool you are.
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I will agree with OC's statement.
Yes avoiding discussion is your best weapon, rule without challenge.
Kindly be a bit less arrogant, thank you.
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Pwned.
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I made this really cool picture, but imageshack isnt hosting it. So, ill just say it.
BOOM HEADSHOT!
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I will also agree with OC. This debate wasn't just killed; it was stillborn.
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Because you're gangbanging. Otherwise you would see no conclusions in my suggestive headlines. I see no other headlines being drawn by you, fact is, you know nothing about it either.
Since the fact you're mention is a comment made by Hugo Chavez, maybe it wouldn't be spoiled if you actually discussed about it, but thanks to your arrogant interventions, you were the one killing the subject.
What I said maintains, you're avoiding any discussion, and rather trying to make a fool of the subject, when it's quite complex and has allot of room for discussion.
If you have nothing to discuss, I would rather you to leave the posting for whoever wants to.
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"Another War for USA?"
No. That's very much out of the question.
"Another 9/11"
I don't really know what you mean.
"Another Bush?"
This isn't particularly relevant to the Oil issue, but I'll say 'probably not' to that, too. The US can only take so much Bush.
What will be the option this time? Whoever gets presidency...will make the fate of USA, Crash or Avoid Crash is the question, because I doubt anyone will come out with a cheap reliable answer, unless that person reforms whole budget system of USA, Mike Gravel? Myro's beloved Ron Paul?
Mike Gravel is a footnote; Ron Paul's solution would involve the implicit assumption that the people will do something as the government steps away from regulating it. Neither are relevant much to the issue at hand here.
The budget system of the USA does not need a complete overhaul as you suggest (well, at least this certainly doesn't follow from high oil prices). The budget itself, perhaps, but the system, flawed as it is, works well enough in theory to accommodate changes. The next Democratic presidency will likely be under massive pressure from the people and interest groups to undo the damage of the Bush presidency (see Bush EPA). This at the very least would warrant greater research into alternative fuels, more environment spending, and whatnot.
None of this will help much. Developing viable alternatives will take longer time than we really have. Gas will become quite expensive in the twilight of America's energy crisis, such is life, we will complain and deal with it. My apologies for speaking in such ambivalent generality, but I simply don't see too much remarkable to say about the issue - it is an issue, it will be addressed as public pressure dictates, it will cause problems, it will be solved.... slowly, and in patchwork. I suppose that's the American way.
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Well, one bright spot is part of the 2007 Farm Bill. It makes provisions for entrepreneurial ag, disaster relief and alternative fuel production. We hardly ever talk about ag in the U.S. anymore, seeing as how it is 2% of our population, but how we provide our Three Fs is the basis of our society.
Food, Fabric, Fuel.
( i would add a 4th - Freedom)
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What I said maintains, you're avoiding any discussion, and rather trying to make a fool of the subject, when it's quite complex and has allot of room for discussion.
I'm not avoiding discussion, and I'm certainly not trying to "make a fool of the subject". It is indeed a complex subject which could be discussed in depth intelligently. You however from the get go have pretty much given discussion of that nature the axe by immediately jumping to a number of ludicrous conclusions which are tenuously relevant.
If you want good debate and discussion then don't start by setting the bar for the quality of discourse so low.
Anyway, I don't predict that this will yield anything too exciting. People love to blow things out of proportion, but the world can all so often be surprisingly dull. As Annex says, it is but another issue that will be tossed around, dealt with, griped about et cetera.
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Mike Gravel is a footnote; Ron Paul's solution would involve the implicit assumption that the people will do something as the government steps away from regulating it. Neither are relevant much to the issue at hand here.
The budget system of the USA does not need a complete overhaul as you suggest (well, at least this certainly doesn't follow from high oil prices). The budget itself, perhaps, but the system, flawed as it is, works well enough in theory to accommodate changes. The next Democratic presidency will likely be under massive pressure from the people and interest groups to undo the damage of the Bush presidency (see Bush EPA). This at the very least would warrant greater research into alternative fuels, more environment spending, and whatnot.
None of this will help much. Developing viable alternatives will take longer time than we really have. Gas will become quite expensive in the twilight of America's energy crisis, such is life, we will complain and deal with it. My apologies for speaking in such ambivalent generality, but I simply don't see too much remarkable to say about the issue - it is an issue, it will be addressed as public pressure dictates, it will cause problems, it will be solved.... slowly, and in patchwork. I suppose that's the American way.
Very well, yes I was exaggerating, at least I got something out of you, not like the others. That's the point.
Not entirely, but it does need reform, USA will surely continue to base it's economy on oil, and it will make the rest of the world follow into a bottomless pit, there can't be so much wastes, and Mike Gravel, far from all, is the one that has cut more wastes and actually allot of useless stuff. Of course he doesn't have a chance, hence why I mentioned his name, a lost cause. But it's good that people like him exist and fight for presidency, maybe it was because of that there's allot of *strong* candidates. I think Obama is leading expectations and popularity, from what I've heard and see, which is probably outdated. Although Hilary is there...their proposals don't seem to fix any of this economic or budget issues, or at least not as quick and efficient as everyone wants.
The oil won't stop now, unless something drastic happens. If you see how far it's been climbing since Hugo Chavez said this prophecy, and without any resolution or proposal to fix it, it's either going up, or economic power going down, and people won't take it going up forever. I'm glad EU saw this problem way earlier, I don't know if USA has will or time to make as much patches as EU, even then, we're all screwed.
It's not a crisis, it's happening, and it will lead allot of the current and future problems. Will they start wars for energy, and will it lead to a war for resources, or will we be all very compassionate human beings and share doing sacrifices? It's being predicted for long time, but will it start so soon?
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How's the US energy companies going with renewable energy sources? Seems one of those fell 100% to the hands of the 4th largest producer of renewable energies, putting Portugal on top of the list. Are they betting as hard as they can on it or will they let us make the renewable energy from them? After all it's one of the most solid resolutions for oil.
But that's what all the fuss about wars was about, and you were the only one to answer, although not very satisfying perspective. Do you think US energy will be able to change so drastically?
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I live in Italy and I'm a dual USA/Italian citizen. I don't hate America, whether I trust it's ways is quite another subject. That I don't necessarily trust some of America's strategies doesn't mean I hate America. The premise that folks have to support or agree with policies or else are blatantly and hopelessly against them is not an optimal problem confronting approach, IMHO.
Recently an American asked me if Italians believed the war in Iraq was about the price of oil...the Italians answered, of course, what else is it about? (italians pay btw 5x what Americans pay for gas at the station).
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lol, I hope they understand what you said, because they never did when I explained my standings, or never wanted to.
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I live in Italy and I'm a dual USA/Italian citizen. I don't hate America, whether I trust it's ways is quite another subject. That I don't necessarily trust some of America's strategies doesn't mean I hate America. The premise that folks have to support or agree with policies or else are blatantly and hopelessly against them is not an optimal problem confronting approach, IMHO.
Recently an American asked me if Italians believed the war in Iraq was about the price of oil...the Italians answered, of course, what else is it about? (italians pay btw 5x what Americans pay for gas at the station).
As long as the U.S. and Canada are huge land masses with highly evoled communication technologies, we will remain oil dependent if only for our enormous vehicles.
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What is it with you and Portugal? You are the only Portuguese person I've ever heard of who constantly says that your country is the greatest country on Earth. That - huhuhuhuh - is a little fucking obnoxious.
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Lol :D Lewis Black is the man
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That's the problem, large vehicles, over consumption.
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Then stop driving, Delfos. And don't give me the "I drive a hybrid" crap.
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i dont even drive.
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huh, driving has nothing to do with it.
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You just said large vehicles are the problem. Unless most people in the Largest Province of Spain just leave their cars idling in the driveway, they're driving, and I'm fairly sure you do too.
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You just said large vehicles are the problem. Unless most people in the Largest Province of Spain just leave their cars idling in the driveway, they're driving, and I'm fairly sure you do too.
Doesn't everyone do that? ;D
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no, I said over consumption is the problem, large vehicles do that, small vehicles not so much, and eco vehicles not at all