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Forum Meta => Archive => General Discussion Archive => Topic started by: Osamafune on July 15, 2007, 04:05:39 PM
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Umm... What's the point of tv-game consoles?
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Umm... What's the point of tv-game consoles?
They're a nice way to forget about your everyday troubles for a while, and they aren't as unhealthy as alcohol or tobacco. Also, a lot of great games just aren't released for PC or are ported badly.
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So? in my experience, consoles, and most of the games for them suck... big time... because:
1 ) The controls are clumsy as hell
2 ) There is very little variation in the games, basically, the games today is the same as the games 15 years ago only with better graphics and 3D environment.
3 ) Only a few game genres can be played smoothly on consoles.
4 ) Lousy graphics due to the use of a TV
5 ) WAY too expencive games
6 ) No possibilities of significant upgrading
7 ) No standardization
8 ) No cross-compatibility
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The games for them suck? So, I take it you think Assassins Creed sucks? Or Halo 3? And Oblivion?
Little variation in the games? Do you mean genres or games within genres? Are you saying all computer games have a huge amount of variation? I was under the impression consoles where building up a larger library of games than computers.
A few game genres? I have had no trouble with any game genres on consoles, except for strategy games (which even now isn't so much a problem, as they are building them from a console platform). Actually, I find FPS games easier to use on a console.
You know you can hook up a console to a computer monitor, right?
I'm prepared to pay the price for a game I can take home and play straight away, without my computer telling me I need to install this, or download those patches, or upgrade this software/hardware. And I believe a next generation console is far, far more cheaper then building a gaming computer of the same specification.
They don't need to be upgraded - next generation consoles have excellent specifications, and it is only a matter of making the games good enough to fully appreciate the power a next generation console can deliver.
My Xbox 360 is compatible with my computer, including Windows Media Center. I can have any media content from my computer transferred to my console.
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Console games are generally of no better or worse quality than PC games. Some genres are more available and more fully realized on one than the other, of course, but the individual games aren't more or less likely to completely suck. For example, you'll find far more RTS-style or "builder" games for PCs than for consoles, but it seems to be the complete opposite for FPS's. RPG's are one type that tends to offer much more complex and customizable gameplay on the PC, as opposed to the constant need to grind in many of the most recent console RPG's, but both kinds are thoroughly enjoyable if for fairly disparate reasons.
In other words:
SNES, for the win.
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Wait a minute...it's true? You have to have someone's friend code to play against them on the Wii? God, that sucks. I'll add you to Mario Kart and to the PSN (though I probably won't have a PS3 until winter/whatever date Metal Gear Solid 4 releases).
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The controls on a PC is way more precise and flexible than those for any console. The only genres that in my oppinion works on consoles, are: Platform games eg. decendants of mario and the like, Beat-em-up arcade style games eg. mortal combat, and finally, turn-based linear semi-RPGs eg. final fantasy series.
All other game genres work much smoother and effectively on a computer with keyboard/mouse configuration.
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There are a few genres at the very least that aren't well represented, as far as I know, on PC; SRPGs like Disgaea, Shining Force and Fire Emblem for one. I get enough use out of both my consoles and my PC, and I don't see the point of the strong anti-console/anti-PC sentiment I've seen so often. It's a matter of what you're looking for.
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Ok, I can settle for ^ but I still think consoles are mainly a way to lure low-income customers to get something that has high running costs eg. expencive games.
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We don't have to be "low-income", we just don't want to be ripped off. The PS3 is just as (if not more) powerful than 99% of PCs out there today, and it will remain powerful for years to come. I challenge a PC to come up with something better looking than Metal Gear Solid 4. Almost all of the major innovations in gaming over the past 15 years have come from consoles, and the few that haven't were of questionable use. Did we really need The Sims or Myst?
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We don't have to be "low-income", we just don't want to be ripped off. The PS3 is just as (if not more) powerful than 99% of PCs out there today, and it will remain powerful for years to come. I challenge a PC to come up with something better looking than Metal Gear Solid 4. Almost all of the major innovations in gaming over the past 15 years have come from consoles, and the few that haven't were of questionable use. Did we really need The Sims or Myst?
Can I really play Age of Empires on a console? What about SimCity? There are ports, yes, but all that started on the PC. If I want an RTS, I'll go to the PC; if I want an SRPG or a beat em up, or whatever category Dynasty Warriors falls into, I'll go to my PS2 or my Gamecube (or my Genesis, which happily still works.)
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Consoles are perfectly capable of Age of Empires, and, quite frankly, I wish I could play it...I rather like that game. However, for some reason, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft (and, before them, Sega) have collectively decided that console gamers don't want strategy games...and they might be right, considering the sales of the few that have come out. However, I see two reasons why this could change. Firstly, there have been good, original console RTS games. Future Tactics: The Uprising was extremely pleasurable, and I feel that if a high profile console company promoted a RTS as heavily as PC RTS games are promoted, one would break through. Luckily, there is one of those games coming...Halo Wars. I may not like the property very much, but it could be just the game to make console gamers buy an RTS. Maybe then, we'll finally get a chance to play Starcraft II (or, more likely by then, Diablo III) on a console and not have it be a crappy port. Sim City...same deal. You could, most of us just don't want to. Similarly, The Movies could have been the watershed game, but it wasn't pulled off very well. And please don't judge consoles on Dynasty Warriors...there are infinitely better, less repetitive games/series out there.
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Consoles are perfectly capable of Age of Empires, and, quite frankly, I wish I could play it...I rather like that game. However, for some reason, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft (and, before them, Sega) have collectively decided that console gamers don't want strategy games...and they might be right, considering the sales of the few that have come out. However, I see two reasons why this could change. Firstly, there have been good, original console RTS games. Future Tactics: The Uprising was extremely pleasurable, and I feel that if a high profile console company promoted a RTS as heavily as PC RTS games are promoted, one would break through. Luckily, there is one of those games coming...Halo Wars. I may not like the property very much, but it could be just the game to make console gamers buy an RTS. Maybe then, we'll finally get a chance to play Starcraft II (or, more likely by then, Diablo III) on a console and not have it be a crappy port. Sim City...same deal. You could, most of us just don't want to. Similarly, The Movies could have been the watershed game, but it wasn't pulled off very well. And please don't judge consoles on Dynasty Warriors...there are infinitely better, less repetitive games/series out there.
No, I actually like Dynasty Warriors, even though every game is exactly the same. I did like Romance of the Three Kingdoms, though. So that's really the only reason.
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No, I actually like Dynasty Warriors, even though every game is exactly the same. I did like Romance of the Three Kingdoms, though. So that's really the only reason.
I liked Dynasty Warriors for its first couple PS2 iterations, but then I stopped caring, as I realized the series would never change. Also, ROTTK (I didn't want to type the whole title out) never really caught on with me.
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I am both a computer gamer and a consul/hand held gamer.
And by far Computer is the more expensive as they cost about the same a new computer game running 50 bucks same as on a consul, plus you always need more memory and to upgrade constantly. hand helds keep holding the crown for cheapness.
Advantages Consul: You don't need to deal with upgrading your system constantly to play the latest and greatest, you can play a game right out of a box no annoying install times and you don't need to worry about having a Frigin CD key of evilness
Advantages PC: Free patches more mod ability and more free content (normally) after about a year the best a Consul has is pale in comparison to the best that a PC has (best does not mean average)
oh and all consul games are born on a pc so if it can run on a consul it can run on a highly moded PC but its not fun for normal people.
And as for nothing original in Consul that is the lamest argument I've ever heard. That gets thrown back and forth for anti consul and Anti PC I see that argument as the person saying it really means is I'm just hating this and don't have a good reason. Both have had massive innovations on every level and games are vastly different then what they were just few years ago.
The Three systems I play the most are my Vista Lap top (worst gaming platform ever, If its two months or older pray to the gaming gods it wont crash, and it probably will anyways)
My Nintendo Wii
And my Nintendo DS (I use GBA games on it)
in December ill be playing my wii more then my laptop cause Brawl comes out.
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Yay Brawl!
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1 ) The controls are clumsy as hell
3 ) Only a few game genres can be played smoothly on consoles.
Umm... What? I've never heard anyone say this before :-\
Wait a minute...it's true? You have to have someone's friend code to play against them on the Wii? God, that sucks.
Yeah, just like with the DS. And right now there's only 2 games that are online, those bein Pokemon Battle Revolution which didn't get good reviews and Mario Strikers which has currently only been released in Europe and Australia.
So far, between the Wii and GCN, it's tied at 2 and 2. But a couple more online games has been announced though... Can't remember for the life of me what they are except for FIFA 08...
(though I probably won't have a PS3 until winter/whatever date Metal Gear Solid 4 releases).
Good luck with that... They're starting to sell a lot better now that the 80 gig version was announced (and comes bundled with a game (damn they keep copying everything from Nintendo :P )) and the 60 gig was lowered to $500.
Can I really play Age of Empires on a console?
No, but you can on the DS.
Yay Brawl!
Yay MP3!
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Well, I have never managed to get my hands working around a console control pad, and I have tried most consoles since 8bit Nintendo and forward through friends.
Second, Even though you can play strategy games and FPS on consoles, they never get as smooth and intense as on a PC (I haven't tried Wii though wich may prove a break on the trend for FPS's)
The main points with strategy games is the control system, you can't do more than one thing at a time and the controls has a built in inertia resistance that slows it all down to a crawl...
With FPSs the problems are a different one, mainly: Can't walk in one direction while looking and shooting in another and angle of view/aim doesn't follow terrain.
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With FPSs the problems are a different one, mainly: Can't walk in one direction while looking and shooting in another and angle of view/aim doesn't follow terrain.
You can do all of that on a console FPS :-\
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dual joy stick lets ya do that
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I'll add you to Mario Kart
Whats you MK friend code?
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PC haters: Baldur's Gate. Owned.
Console Haters: Super Metroid. Also owned.
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Wait a minute...it's true? You have to have someone's friend code to play against them on the Wii? God, that sucks.
Yeah, just like with the DS. And right now there's only 2 games that are online, those bein Pokemon Battle Revolution which didn't get good reviews and Mario Strikers which has currently only been released in Europe and Australia.
So far, between the Wii and GCN, it's tied at 2 and 2. But a couple more online games has been announced though... Can't remember for the life of me what they are except for FIFA 08...
(though I probably won't have a PS3 until winter/whatever date Metal Gear Solid 4 releases).
Good luck with that... They're starting to sell a lot better now that the 80 gig version was announced (and comes bundled with a game (damn they keep copying everything from Nintendo :P )) and the 60 gig was lowered to $500.
No...I mean, you can just log on and play random people, right? You don't need their friend codes, right? RIGHT? Smash Bros. Brawl will be online.
True, but if I buy the PS3 now, it will pretty much be a $500 paperweight for 5 months. Also, I haven't raised the money yet. As I told of crazed, I have a collection of video games for the SNES (these are rare ones), PSOne, PS2, and Gamecube that I'm willing to sell. I'm going to take them to eBay, but Taijitans would get first dibs. If you are interested in buying any games, tell me and I'll send you the full list of what I'm selling.
I don't have my DS with me right now...I'll check when I get home and get back to you for the friend code.
Also, Empire, I don't wish to sound inflammatory here, but...maybe you just have weird hands. My 89-year old grandmother can work a SNES and a PS2 controller (nowhere near well, but that's more her age and lack of interest). She can navigate the menus and knows what buttons are what, at least. No one I know has had any major issues with any controllers except the XBOX 1's original controllers, which were frickin' huge.
Maybe this is just me, but I find it much less confusing to be able to switch between my weapons using two triggers instead of "crap...is my rocket launcher 6 or 7....6 or 7??!! NOOO!!!"
I'll give you the point on strategy games; however the Wii and the PS3's Sixaxis should help to change that.
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No...I mean, you can just log on and play random people, right? You don't need their friend codes, right? RIGHT?
Uh... Dunno, but probably... I haven't paid too much attention to the Wii's online abilities.
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Well, it's too many buttons that I can't coordinate so that problem is on me.
And I have yet to see ant console FPS's where the aiming and moving in terrain is as smooth as with a keyboard/mouse. And with tactical sims, you only have 2-3 weapons at a time and use the mouse wheel to switch between them so no problems with number keys.
what I mean about the smoothness is best experineced in one of the mechwarrior games where you can turn your torso in a different direction as your legs, look around inside the cocpit, aim with the arm-mounted weapons and also automatically follow the landscape (when you run up a hill, you can keep your aim up the hill and then when you get close to the crest you don't have to lower the aim by using some irritating mini-joystick and just lowers it using the mouse, without any lapse in concentration or awareness)
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Okay, I'm bored, so I'm gonna bring my opinions to the table by slightly rephrasing things that everyone else has already said. That's how forums work, right?
I'm more of a console guy myself, but both systems have merits. I find fast-paced games much easier on consoles, when everything is controlled by ten or so buttons within easy reach, rather than masses of keys and shortcuts to memorise. On t'other hand, RPGs have more room to expand on a PC, which can lead to better gameplay. As a long-time Final Fantasy fan, I never thought I'd say that, but I've recently started playing Baldur's Gate and, yeah. Awesome.
The main reason I prefer consoles, I suppose, is the convenience. Put the disk in and go, no messing about with installing anything. And, of course, console games are just better. Society is moving into the future; none of the best games want to get left behind on a PC.
Also, I'm not a social guy. Most PC games nowadays are focusing on the whole 'online' element of it, and there's no avoiding that. This is true for consoles as well, but my PS2 remains unconnected to the internet, and that's how it's gonna stay. I can't be the only loner type out there, so most console games concentrate on building up a solid offline experience as well as online. PC games, however, generally assume that if you're already on the computer you might as well play online, so the online multiplayer stuff ends up being most of the game.
As a sidenote, I cannot guarantee the accuracy of this rant. Bear in mind that I have very limited experience with PC games, so a lot of this stuff may be total nonsense. Leave me alone, I'm tired.
Basically, console games > PC games.
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Yay, Larry's here...and he's correct!
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I use consoles and PC for games about equally, but I can't stand using a gamepad for any PC games I play, even the ones that most people prefer to use with controller. For one example, the Touhou Project games, which are a series of vertically-scrolling shmups for PCs. I have to use the keyboard, even though I normally use the directional pad with my left hand for such games, and it's with the right hand on a keyboard. I just get used to "Z for shoot, X for bombs, Shift to focus" and the arrow keys. Also, most controllers are way too loose for the kinds of precision movements the games require.
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The reason im a Computer Gamer First and a Nintendo* Gamer secound is probly cause Fireaxis does their best work on the PC. As long as Civilization remains the realm of the PC it shall for ever own my soul. And alot of great games are on the PC Elder Scrolls the PC version is much better as you get the same stuff free and better graphics cause you can always improve the graphics card. And You do know that Halo was a PC game when it was first designed, Microsoft wanted it to be a Xbox exclusive and bungee wouldnt budge so they did something else... they purchased the entire developer and forced it onto the Xbox.
Many great inovations and top scale games are still on the PC, most definitly in the RPG and Stratagy divisions. Now fighters... that is firmly in the none pc systems hand cause doing a fighter with a keybord is no fun.
*I own every nintendo system save the Virtual boy, the only other system ive ever owned was a Game great and two ps2 games (no i do not never have and never will own a PS2)
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As long as Civilization remains the realm of the PC it shall for ever own my soul.
Sorry to tell you this, but Civilization is in fact coming to the consoles. Link. (http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/strategy/sidmeierscivilizationrevolution/index.html?tag=result;title;4)
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Not related to the argument over PC vs. console, but
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHmzO2RI1fs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHmzO2RI1fs)
hell yes. This is from one of the Touhou games, and I haven't gotten there yet, because it makes me cry and I'm terrible at the game. Yet I still play it.
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On t'other hand, RPGs have more room to expand on a PC, which can lead to better gameplay. As a long-time Final Fantasy fan, I never thought I'd say that, but I've recently started playing Baldur's Gate and, yeah. Awesome.
Rock on, Larry-san.
PC games, however, generally assume that if you're already on the computer you might as well play online, so the online multiplayer stuff ends up being most of the game.
Those gaming industry jerks just can't include non-online players anymore, can they?
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I hate baldur's gate and the derivative games... too stereotypical, too linear and too messy. If they had to turn a PnP RPG to computer couldn't they at least make it manageable with a reasonable difficulty-curve? I get to the keep-like inn and there I get blasted to pieces by a hostile mage on the stairs that I can't avoid without anyone else nearby even reacting, not even the town guards!
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Heh-heh, I remember that part. Right near the beginning, around when you meet Khalid and Jaheira. God, I love that game. I think I'll play it through again. ;D
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I hate it, and to think I actually went and bought the box with both it and the sequel in a weak moment of not remembering how much I hate it! If anyone wants it, it's theirs if they pay for the shipping, otherwise I might go and break the DVDs and CDs just to get the satisfaction of seeing them broken and then torch them and the box to see it all burn.
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Oh, chill your burning rage and sell it on eBay. ;)
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The main complaint about Baldur's Gate is always that it's too difficult. This doesn't really reflect on the game, it's more about the impatience of the player to move on with the story. Sure, the mage at the inn killed me the first time I saw him. So I went back, fought some more monsters, went up a level, and kicked that mage's ass.
However, I am slightly annoyed with the game at the moment. I finally managed to kill a bunch of bounty hunters in Cloakwood, then it went and glitched on me so I had to reload at the point before I killed them. That sucks.
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Well, it gets too difficult too quickly, and the team-control things feel very clumsy for someone who are just trying the game a bit. I prefer 'intelligent' NPC's/teammates who act on their own initiative.
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However, I am slightly annoyed with the game at the moment. I finally managed to kill a bunch of bounty hunters in Cloakwood, then it went and glitched on me so I had to reload at the point before I killed them. That sucks.
My personal policy on PC games, since I run on Windows: "Save once or twice every Sim day." ;)
Well, it gets too difficult too quickly, and the team-control things feel very clumsy for someone who are just trying the game a bit. I prefer 'intelligent' NPC's/teammates who act on their own initiative.
I much prefer controlling my team-mates directly in an RPG like BG; you just have to spend the occasional few seconds on pause. ;D
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The trouble with console RPGs, at least most modern ones, is that they're too easy. I love Skies of Arcadia, for example - it had a ship battle system along with the standard on foot battle stuff and enough fights on the side to keep occupied, but the game was too damn easy. Even the final boss was pathetic. If you want a challenge with most console RPGs, you'd probably have to use terrible equipment later in the game, or not use magic, or something like that. It's interesting that PC RPGs and console RPGs are pretty much different genres entirely, though.
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Still the best RPG series ever is Fallout, hands down. And I won't accept any backtalk or an uppity attitude.
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I don't know enough about Fallout to argue against it, and I don't like Final Fantasy very much (except for FF3 and FF8), but two games could have been classics if they hadn't been forgotten for a few years and then "sequelized"...badly. Deus Ex was one of the best games I've ever played; Xenogears was the same way. Deus Ex 2 sucked, and Xenosaga was completely unnecessary.
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I couldn't stand FF8. And if by FF3 you mean what was 6 in Japan and 3 in the US, then yeah, that one was probably the best. I'm not a great fan of FF, though.
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I couldn't stand FF8. And if by FF3 you mean what was 6 in Japan and 3 in the US, then yeah, that one was probably the best. I'm not a great fan of FF, though.
Yes, that three. And what was wrong with FF8? It had a Gunblade, Lunatic Pandora, and females that weren't caricatures. Where's the downside?
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It was part of the FF franchise... that's what was wrong with it... (as far as I am concerned, and then I count the ported versions on PC too but not the CG-movie)
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Ooh...ouch. Uncalled for, Em.
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just couldn't help myself, it's FF and Baldurs gate that I really, really hate. I don't play sports games of any kind but I only dislike sports games I don't hate them to the point that I wish they had never existed as concepts...
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Wow trey, it may creep you out to know FF 3 and 8 are my fav in the FF series as well...
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Yeah...you sure we weren't separated at birth or something?
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I couldn't stand FF8. And if by FF3 you mean what was 6 in Japan and 3 in the US, then yeah, that one was probably the best. I'm not a great fan of FF, though.
Yes, that three. And what was wrong with FF8? It had a Gunblade, Lunatic Pandora, and females that weren't caricatures. Where's the downside?
The draw system for learning magic was tedious and the whole junction system was a mess. I also wasn't a big fan of the story. FF8 wasn't terrible, but it drives me crazy anyway.
I didn't like the gunblade, either. But this is the franchise that gives us heroes who swing around swords bigger than them with no problems, so I don't expect much.
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The draw system for learning magic was tedious and the whole junction system was a mess. I also wasn't a big fan of the story. FF8 wasn't terrible, but it drives me crazy anyway.
I didn't like the gunblade, either. But this is the franchise that gives us heroes who swing around swords bigger than them with no problems, so I don't expect much.
Ah, well, to each their own. I personally loved the junction and draw systems, and I thought the story was more deep and engaging than its predecessor. Oh well...
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I thought the junction system was fairly well done. Once you get used to it, it's pretty intuitive. But having to draw magic was just annoying. As for the story, I didn't think it was really better or worse than any of the other games.
And the gunblade? It's a sword that's also a gun! How is that not cool?
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And the gunblade? It's a sword that's also a gun! How is that not cool?
Heh, I could make a cutting remark that'd shoot you down about gunblades :-P
Personally I didn't like FF8, the only on worse in the series (as I'd rank it) was FF:MQ
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I got very, very frustrated with FF8, but that has more to do with my style of gameplay than anything. I wanted to collect all the special items and max out all my stats, which meant I had to deal with that card game. Ugh. Took me four years of avoiding the game after disk 3 until I went back and just beat it. By that point, I had no recollection of the storyline, so the whole cinematic thing at the end was a waste.
FF7 was pleasingly dystopian when I was in high school... 10 had pretty graphics, 9 was fun until my memory card glitched, 10-2 must have been marketed for 14-year-old girls, and other than that I haven't played anything in the series except FF1.
Larry - I had the same problem with Baldur's Gate. Maybe at the same point. Haven't gotten around to playing it again. Have you tried Morrowind?
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morrowind is way better, but it is a bit too open at times, and it's hard to find meaningful quests that doesn't drag you along way too quickly.
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Morrowind was a lot of fun, but it glitched the hell out of my box and pissed me off for a good long time by refusing to ***ing work. I still much prefer Baldur's Gate but, as has been said in this topic before, to each his own.
By the way, Taco? BEST PUN EVER.
I could make a cutting remark that'd shoot you down about gunblades
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And the gunblade? It's a sword that's also a gun! How is that not cool?
Heh, I could make a cutting remark that'd shoot you down about gunblades :-P
Personally I didn't like FF8, the only on worse in the series (as I'd rank it) was FF:MQ
You know, I didn't realize that was a pun until Allama pointed it out...duh...
OK, FFVIII was better than everything that followed it (I haven't played XII yet, though)...IX just annoyed me the entire way through, X was...nice...X-2 just sucked, and XI was completely unnecessary. I haven't played FFI, FFII, or FFV either.
Also, what did you all think of the pseudo-spinoff Kingdom Hearts? I consider KH 1 to be the best RPG on the PS2.
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I really enjoyed the first Kingdom Hearts game, to my surprise; I never would've expected the concept to work. I haven't played the second one yet, though. I've bought it, but I tend to only play one game at a time, so I have to play through FFXII, Order of the Phoenix, and Okami before I get to KH2.
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The only FF games I've played are a couple remakes for GBA/DS, FFX (good), X-2 (sucked complete ass), XII (good battle system but the story was lacking (the main character had no reason to even be there)).
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I'd rank them as such, I've played most of the series but was so disgusted by 10 that I lost interest after that.
1) FF3 - Great story, classic overhead view. Good graphics for the time and enough side story to keep you occupied without the side quests taking over.
2) FF9 - A return to the classic FF format. Good balance on game play versus graphics. And they brought back the black mage from FF1 which is my favourite character from the whole series
3) FF7 - A great story and amazing graphics for the time. Although if you had the 2x cast and 4x cast materia on a character and then cast knights of the round you may as well have gone out to see a movie while it was casting.
4) FF2 - A good story but a little bland. Not too much in the way of character diversity, but still a good game all in all
5) FF5J - A little bland on the story, but the character class system was a great idea. A little tedious if you wanted to level everyone up in every class. Still though I'd like to see this system brought back.
6) FF Online - Good graphics although it crashed my computer a lot. Too dependent on grouping to advance in levels (I'm a lone wolf player) and the economy left much to be desired.
7) FF1 - For the first in the series it was really good, the cast system was a little limited and it had a few other flaws. But still a great game, also has my favourite character, the Black Mage.
8 ) FF10 - God why? Being able to jump summons in and out whenever, a sport as a religion, jumping characters in and out mid fight. The most bizzare character advancement scheme I've seen yet... and if you advanced all the way to the top you became unstoppable to the point of being able to one hit kill the final boss.
9) FF8 - The draw system for magic was horrid, the taking tests to get pay raises, all in all just not a game I enjoyed.
10) FF:MQ - The ONLY FF game I have ever beaten in a single sitting. Should be nuff said, but I got more. Battle tiles and being able to see where monsters are on the map so you could avoid them in most cases. Incredibly limited selection of equips and spells. Only 2 characters to a party. No over world map to be freely explored. It gave the feeling of being something run off in about a week and then jammed onto the market. This game made me cry tears of blood.
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I guess you don't want me to rate the FF games in the order I like them do you? (WARNING, I'm not very stable mentally right now)
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You know, I thought I said this earlier; maybe it was on another thread.
FFVII is the most overrated game on the PSX. All Sephiroth has going for him was an emo haircut and kick-ass music, and Aerith was nigh useless unless you spent hours upon hours leveling her up. That act was made even more futile if you already knew she was going to die. At least the females in FFVIII weren't caricatures.
Oh COME ON, FFX is above FFVIII?
FF Tactics, Mystic Quest, and the craptastic Crystal Chronicles not included in following list. (Never played 5)
1) FFIII-I thought about it, and realized this was the pinnacle for most of the same reasons Taco said. Also...Kefka!
2) FFVIII-Compelling story, characters who, for once, could actually hold up as individuals, not typical RPG cookie cutter molds, and locales unmatched since.
3)FFII-Improving on everything the sequel brought.
4)FF-A near perfect beginning.
5)FFXII-I am so happy random battles are gone, but the game fails in other ways.
6)FFXI-Online...not necessary, but pulled off fairly well.
7)FFX-This was a toss up between this one and...
8)FFIX-This one just annoyed me to no end.
9) If I had to rank those above three...Tactics would probably be 4th, Mystic Quest here, and Crystal Chronicles officially the worst Final Fantasy ever.
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At least we can agree that FFIII was the best Final Fantasy game and had the best villain, right? Kefka's 16-bit laugh sound effect was perfect.
And I can't say Sephiroth's emo haircut would have been "going for him". It seemed more like a generic long, flowing "this is the effeminate pretty boy villain" look anyway.
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At least we can agree that FFIII was the best Final Fantasy game and had the best villain, right? Kefka's 16-bit laugh sound effect was perfect.
And I can't say Sephiroth's emo haircut would have been "going for him". It seemed more like a generic long, flowing "this is the effeminate pretty boy villain" look anyway.
Yeah..."going for him" wasn't exactly what I meant to say. It was one of the two things he had (and it was annoying). However, One Winged Angel is so kick ass.
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Oh COME ON, FFX is above FFVIII?
In the way I'd rank these two dysfunctional FF games I put X one notch above VIII. But that far down on the list it's a pretty moot point. It's like trying to argue why dog crap tastes better then cat crap.
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I forgot that I also have Tactics Advance and Crystal Chronicles... Anyway...
8 ) FF10 - God why? Being able to jump summons in and out whenever, a sport as a religion, jumping characters in and out mid fight. The most bizzare character advancement scheme I've seen yet... and if you advanced all the way to the top you became unstoppable to the point of being able to one hit kill the final boss.
Um Blitz Ball wasn't a religion... As is said in the game, it was the only real source of entertainment for people due to Sin/Yevon, so they kinda took it seriously. Yevon was the religion.
And I liked the Sphere Grid thank you very much...
And lastly... How have you ever managed to get all the way to the top of the grid? I keep running out of damn spheres, especially ability and mana spheres.
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Yes I did... the secret is to stick around in places and keep grinding for spheres... took a damn long time to get there
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In the way I'd rank these two dysfunctional FF games I put X one notch above VIII. But that far down on the list it's a pretty moot point. It's like trying to argue why dog crap tastes better then cat crap.
Taco...Touche.
Osafune, you liked the Sphere Grid? You sure you're not a closeted masochist?
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Sort of related...
Has anyone played Suikoden V? Is it worth buying?
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^ Sort of related, but barely. :D
Going back to the PC/Console argument, I personally prefer console. The only PC games I play are Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 2142. And Flight Sim, occasionally. I am a Nintendo fan through and through. The Wii is absolutely awesome. I have Red Steel, the main FPS for the console, and it is great. I move my hand in exactly the right place every time. And then, because it's motion sensitive, if I hold 'A' and push the remote forward, it zooms in!
As for the PC games, I don't think that there will ever be a console that is as good as a PC for flexibility. Let's face it. You can't really mod a console game. The PS3 might be able to do it, but I don't care because it is a pile of copied rubbish. They took one look at the Wii Remote and said, "We want that motion sensing capability so that we look as technologically advanced as them." You could tell that they had copied the idea because at E3 of that year their controllers didn't have any motion sensing abilities. Anyway, enough of my PS3 slagging.
As to what is better, there isn't one. Apart from the fact that is impossible to make opinion fact, it's true (in my opinion ;D). It all depends on what you want to play. PCs, although they are very flexible, cost a lot of money. You can get the same fun, if not more, from a console. But, if you are a hardcore online gamer, PCs will do it for you again. The latest consoles all have internet capability, but you can't beat a PC at it's own game.
And Empire, there is a huge new genre of games coming out to the Nintendo systems. They are educational or fitness orientated. That's a new one, eh?
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PC's cost a lot of money???
Compared to the cheap and cheerful pricing of the PS3 for example.
DO what I did, build your own PC for peanuts that can play last year's games on wacky spec, then buy a new gpu every so often, and memory and a cpu....ah, but then you can flog that stuff on ebay.
Cell seems to me to be quite like multi-core, or am i wrong?
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Yeah, that's why I'm curious about the Wii, I think it might actually be the console that changes my perception. I want to try it in an FPS just to see if my military training can mean any difference :P
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it looks good as a multiplayer machine
drunken idiots banging controllers around - the way eyetoy should have been
that said, i've had my eye snagged by a gamecube the other day
bundled with games
brand new
£20
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And Empire, there is a huge new genre of games coming out to the Nintendo systems. They are educational or fitness orientated. That's a new one, eh?
Quite new in fact... oh wait...
(http://www.geocities.com/djslacker1/images/nintendo_accessories_power_pad_box.jpg)
(http://nindb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/nes/images/ss/wt_1.jpg)
That was for the 8 bit Nintendo ;D
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As long as Civilization remains the realm of the PC it shall for ever own my soul.
Sorry to tell you this, but Civilization is in fact coming to the consoles. Link. (http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/strategy/sidmeierscivilizationrevolution/index.html?tag=result;title;4)
If this dosnt come out on a system besides the PS3 or Xbox360 i wont be playing it and that is sad, cause I love the series, but im not buying a system for only one game. So far their isnt a signle game on both systems that I want at all.
for FF, the only one I liked was Crystal, the rest just seem like crappy knock offs of Dragon Quest, it came out first in japan is vastly better then it. Also it sells better in japan still :D. I love Dragon Quest one of only two games i got on the PS2,the other Dot Hack.
PC's big downside is the price tag really.
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although a PC has millions of emulators so you can play all those old favourites.
it can take a wiiiiiiiiiiii controller so you can get your skull bashed in in fps' if you want
in short
the main problem with pc's is the time it takes to get from
"I fancy a quick bash on Civ"
to
Finally actually having a bash on Civ (after booting, arsing about with windows, looking for the cd, config, etc)
I used to be a Civilisation nut, before i discovered the rather excellent Rise of Nations.
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I don't see why those games have to be mutually exclusive? I mean, one is a strategic game the other is tactical, both work with the same age-spanning concept.
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i prefered original civ
this new fangled one is just too confusing for me
i tried that freeciv and nearly threw my laptop out of the window
truth be told, i haven't been playing many games recently...i've been writing my own...soon to be added to an online library of games
(i really should stop telling people, but to me, it's just fantastic)
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I love Dragon Quest one of only two games i got on the PS2,the other Dot Hack.
Which of the .Hack games do you have?
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Taco, I'm sure both of the customers of that pad lost weight etc.
I'm getting a laptop. With Linux. Screw gaming. Nothing new on that front after Doom.
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I didn't realise that Nintendo has done this before. I wondered why they knew exactly what to do. :D
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for FF, the only one I liked was Crystal, the rest just seem like crappy knock offs of Dragon Quest, it came out first in japan is vastly better then it. Also it sells better in japan still :D. I love Dragon Quest one of only two games i got on the PS2,the other Dot Hack.
Crystal Chronicles?? (twitch, twitch) WHY??
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I love Dragon Quest one of only two games i got on the PS2,the other Dot Hack.
Which of the .Hack games do you have?
the first of the game that was in four parts that came out a while back. dot hack infection maybe cant remember right now, havnt beat it still
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I also have .Hack//Infection, and I haven't beaten that either.
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If this dosnt come out on a system besides the PS3 or Xbox360 i wont be playing it and that is sad, cause I love the series, but im not buying a system for only one game. It's coming out on Wii also, but on a later release date.
About .Hack, I never played any of the games but the .Hack//Bracelet (I think that's the one...) anime was good...
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He probably meant the PS2/GCN/XBOX grouping...and he (and all of us still with them) is probably screwed.
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nope i meant on Wii. Ive had that since the first day it came out. if it comes on Wii ill get it. But im never getting an 360 or ps3, if someone gave it to me for free i would take it. Then sell it and buy something i wanted
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Well, you meant Wii, but Ranholn...I don't know. And what's wrong with the 360 and PS3? I have a Wii now, and I'm going to get a PS3 sometime in 2007.
Also, I was playing the original Metal Gear Solid (for the PSOne), and, as I kept dying (on normal difficulty), I thought..."I distinctly remember this as being easier when I was eight." Anyone else gone back to a game they hadn't played in a while and found it considerably more difficult?
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ah, your not active in RP. Im PSRDirector, or PSR.
My accounts are Ranholn, NFIC, and Alex. This is just an account i made for a corporation i RP as to keep it apart form my normal rp.
And to answer your question, here is what is wrong with PS3 and 360. They are Overpriced and no games on it that are worth the purchase value of it.
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I'll give you overpriced (though, considering what they are capable of, I'd implore you to reconsider).
Before I go into a rant about quality 360/PS3 games, tell me what genres you are interested in so I don't name a bunch of games and get the reply "but I don't like those kinds of games" or something similar.
And no, I'm not active in RP.
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What's wrong with the PS3 is that it has very few good games right now. Resistance? That's really the only worthy PS3 title I can think of right now.
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I'd put Motorstorm up there, too.
That is the main reason I am waiting to buy a PS3 in the winter, when such stellar titles as Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Ratchet and Clank Future, Devil May Cry 4, Heavenly Sword, and Metal Gear Solid 4 are released. There is also a bright future, with such continuing series as Kingdom Hearts and God of War both entering their third installments, and new properties such as Eight Days as well. Patience is the word when it comes to the PS3.
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Games i'm looking forward to:
PS3:
CoD4
GT5
MGS4
Little Big Planet (I don't know why though...)
Heavenly Sword
UT3
Warhawk
FFXIII
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty
Wii:
SSBB
No More Heroes
De Blob
Mario Kart Wii
BWii
I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting... But unfortunately, ever since I got a new HDTV for my PS3, Wii games look like total crap (gets all fuzzy when things move) and there's a delay between button presses and on-screen actions (though as far as I can tell, the motion sensing is fine).
MP3
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Little Big Planet is exactly what the PS3 needs. Between that, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, and MGS4, it's going to be a fun PS3 winter. Also, it's multiplatform, but I'd be remiss to not mention Burnout: Paradise, the only game that challenges MGS4 on my most wanted list.
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im interested in simple fun little rp's and games that help me relax and unwind. Games i enjoy alot are Civ, Paper Mario, SSB and the such. The PS3 costs over 500 dollers, it has yet to prove to me i would enjoy it more then 10 wii games.
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im interested in simple fun little rp's and games that help me relax and unwind. Games i enjoy alot are Civ, Paper Mario, SSB and the such. The PS3 costs over 500 dollers, it has yet to prove to me i would enjoy it more then 10 wii games.
Three words...Little Big Planet.
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never heard of it and just saying the name dosnt make it worth 600 bucks
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Just watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taiurn541SE). It's fun, simple, and includes friends.
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I cant afford a 360 or a PS3. I game on the Wii and my DS.
However I just ordered a Playstation 2 with FF and DQ VIII a pre-order of Persona 3, Ratchet and Clank and Dues Ex. I got all of that for 200, much better price for someone just interested playing games that are good regardless of graphics.
Anyone have other suggestions? A lot of games opened up to me and I am a bit overwhelmed.
FF X is on my future list and I was thinking of xenosaga ep I and II eventually and lastly Kindom Hearts. I am mostly interested in RPG's and Platformers and would like to avoid the sub par ones.
Thanks
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Wait one minute...Deus Ex was on the PS2? How did I not hear about this? I have GOT to find that game, especially since Ion Storm no longer exists.
That's a nice PS2 package (what FF is it?). Both Ico and Shadow of the Colossus are good platformer/puzzle/action/adventure games (that was the only way I could describe them), though Ico is a bit rare. And I'd put Kingdom Hearts at the front of your list...it's amazing. Xenosaga is infamous for it's ridiculously long (up to 30 minutes), unskippable cutscenes. If you want to take that plunge, be my guest, but be forewarned. You could also try the Shin Megami Tensei games. Disgaea is another quirky RPG, and it's PSOne predecessor, Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure, is ridiculously hard to find, but a unique and fun game (though a bit of an acquired taste. Valkyrie Profile and Vagrant Story also fit in that same category (both PSOne). Also, (if you can find it), Xenogears is a classic (though rare and still $30+). Shadow Hearts is another cool RPG with a unique battle system. The entire Grandia series is worth playing, as well. Suikoden is another quality series (though they all seem a little the same; just play Suikoden III. The Star Ocean series is also worth a play. Finally, Rogue Galaxy may be the last great PS2 RPG. Let me warn you, I have played most if not all of these, but in small doses. Most of what I know comes from reviews and peers. Also, most of these games are quite rare.
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I got deus ex for 5 bucks at gamestop's online store. I got FF VIII.
As far as the rare game I got the system to play games on the cheap, so I wont be ebay hunting for xenogears. Shadow of Clolssus looks interesting enough and I can get it new for 15 bucks. As far as the Shin Megami Tensei, Persona 3 is one and I am going to try that first. Kingdom Hearts I want to check out cuz I can get them not on ebay.
As far as a lot of your suggestions it is hard to find them not on ebay. Thanks though.
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I know...most of the good PS2 RPG's had about 50 copies sent to North America. And are you going to deal with Xenosaga (and its cutscenes)? I think Rogue Galaxy and Star Ocean: Till the End of Time are the only easy to find games on my list.
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Is the Xeno story good, it depends on the story.
Ill check out RG. Not really interested in SO
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Well, I've heard it's way too drawn out and can get a little confusing (par for the course for a game with half-hour-long cutscenes, but still). That's why Xenosaga III is nowhere to be found (though there were originally supposed to be six games).
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that game looks weird but not that fun and the music was really... really.. annoying. Sorry but doesn't seem to be my cup of tea and still not worth 600 bucks for it. The PS3 is way overpriced and nothing good or reason to buy it. The graphics are not impressive to me, and they don't have anything else going for it. Ill take the Wii and its cheapness and originality (and many games i like and want) over it.
I'm just not into many games that come out on the other two lesser counsels (360 ps3). Maybe when it drops to 100 I'll look at it.
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Some asshole "leaked" a "list" of "future titles" by SEGA, one of which was Skies of Arcadia 2. A couple of days later -" OOPS IT WAS A HOAX LOL SORRY." I've waited for a sequel to that game since the first one came out on the Dreamcast years ago. What a miserable bunch of bastards. Reliable sources indeed.
NiGHTS 2 is still on, though.
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that game looks weird but not that fun and the music was really... really.. annoying. Sorry but doesn't seem to be my cup of tea and still not worth 600 bucks for it. The PS3 is way overpriced and nothing good or reason to buy it. The graphics are not impressive to me, and they don't have anything else going for it. Ill take the Wii and its cheapness and originality (and many games i like and want) over it.
I'm just not into many games that come out on the other two lesser counsels (360 ps3). Maybe when it drops to 100 I'll look at it.
So you don't do many "hardcore" games, then? And graphically, have you seen the Metal Gear Solid 4 Gameplay Trailer?
The PS3 will be dropping to $100 on November 31st, 2009.
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I'm sure all the new NIS projects will be released on the PS3, which is a real pain for me, because I don't want to have to buy a PS3 just to play them. I still demand a Skies of Arcadia 2.
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Some asshole "leaked" a "list" of "future titles" by SEGA, one of which was Skies of Arcadia 2. A couple of days later -" OOPS IT WAS A HOAX LOL SORRY." I've waited for a sequel to that game since the first one came out on the Dreamcast years ago. What a miserable bunch of bastards. Reliable sources indeed.
NiGHTS 2 is still on, though.
That list killed me, it seriously was like a SEGA fans dream. Anyways SEGA proper isn't really all that talented any more. I wish instead of giving the Sonic RPG to Bioware they would give the Skies license.
Anyways as far as titles I am going to prob pick up soonish.
DS:
Zelda: PH
Ninja Gaiden: DS
Wii:
Mario
Metroid
Smash
PS2:
FFX
FF X-2
Kindom Hearts I and II
However I have an ass load of games to play on my PS2 right now.
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Zelda a good game, as are paper mario and those, very fun. Looking forward to CC and SSBB, also DW9
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Some asshole "leaked" a "list" of "future titles" by SEGA, one of which was Skies of Arcadia 2. A couple of days later -" OOPS IT WAS A HOAX LOL SORRY." I've waited for a sequel to that game since the first one came out on the Dreamcast years ago. What a miserable bunch of bastards. Reliable sources indeed.
NiGHTS 2 is still on, though.
DS:
Ninja Gaiden: DS
However I have an ass load of games to play on my PS2 right now.
I remember that list. I was never huge on Shenmue, and that list didn't hurt me too much, but it sounded great.
I believe I used the term "nerdgasm" on another thread. That's what Ninja Gaiden DS did for me the first time I read about it.
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Luminous Arc and Rune Factory were released on the DS today... I'm gonna have to get one of them soon. :)
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the arc game looks good
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That list killed me, it seriously was like a SEGA fans dream. Anyways SEGA proper isn't really all that talented any more. I wish instead of giving the Sonic RPG to Bioware they would give the Skies license.
Yeah, really. Just look at every Sonic game SEGA's made since the Dreamcast came out. They're painful.
I'm a little skeptical about a Sonic RPG, since Sonic is all about speed and RPGs don't incorporate speed all that well, but hopefully Bioware comes out with something decent.
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That list killed me, it seriously was like a SEGA fans dream. Anyways SEGA proper isn't really all that talented any more. I wish instead of giving the Sonic RPG to Bioware they would give the Skies license.
Yeah, really. Just look at every Sonic game SEGA's made since the Dreamcast came out. They're painful.
I'm a little skeptical about a Sonic RPG, since Sonic is all about speed and RPGs don't incorporate speed all that well, but hopefully Bioware comes out with something decent.
I was skeptical about a Mario RPG too, but look at how well Super Mario RPG turned out to be.
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That list killed me, it seriously was like a SEGA fans dream. Anyways SEGA proper isn't really all that talented any more. I wish instead of giving the Sonic RPG to Bioware they would give the Skies license.
Yeah, really. Just look at every Sonic game SEGA's made since the Dreamcast came out. They're painful.
I'm a little skeptical about a Sonic RPG, since Sonic is all about speed and RPGs don't incorporate speed all that well, but hopefully Bioware comes out with something decent.
I was skeptical about a Mario RPG too, but look at how well Super Mario RPG turned out to be.
Super Mario RPG is ok at best. I have played most of it, I think (stopped at the ax-um rangers). But from what I have played the game is out classed by Paper Mario is almost every way.
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That list killed me, it seriously was like a SEGA fans dream. Anyways SEGA proper isn't really all that talented any more. I wish instead of giving the Sonic RPG to Bioware they would give the Skies license.
Yeah, really. Just look at every Sonic game SEGA's made since the Dreamcast came out. They're painful.
I'm a little skeptical about a Sonic RPG, since Sonic is all about speed and RPGs don't incorporate speed all that well, but hopefully Bioware comes out with something decent.
I was skeptical about a Mario RPG too, but look at how well Super Mario RPG turned out to be.
Super Mario RPG is ok at best. I have played most of it, I think (stopped at the ax-um rangers). But from what I have played the game is out classed by Paper Mario is almost every way.
Now, I'd have to disagree with you there. I absolutely loved almost every minute of Super Mario RPG, and felt that it was the 3rd best RPG on the SNES (behind 1a. Chrono Trigger and 1b. Final Fantasy III).
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PAPER MARIO FTW!!!
game is awsome
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I never played the original but I have played TTYD and SPM... Since it's on the VC now, I should give it a try sometime though.
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it is on the VC and i thought of buying it but my brother stopped me saying "we own the damn thing get something we dont own"
phelimar has some smart ideas
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it is on the VC and i thought of buying it but my brother stopped me saying "we own the damn thing get something we dont own"
phelimar has some smart ideas
I've played Super Mario RPG, most of Paper Mario, and parts of Super Paper Mario. I didn't touch TTYD. I still liked SMRPG, but SPM was pretty good (where I played it).
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What was wrong with TTYD?
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I never said Super Mario RPG is a bad game, but as far as how to do a Mario RPG, Paper Mario is way better. It takes a pretty fresh take on the genre and the story is light hearted and pretty funny.
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What was wrong with TTYD?
Nothing specific; I just wasn't drawn to it as much as the original, and it came out pretty late in the Cube's cycle. I didn't feel like buying it, and no rental stores seemed to carry it. Also, the Game Informer review sort of threw me off, as well (they typically know what they are talking about).
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TTYD was funny too... Especially whenever you use Flurry's power.
(http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/543/543717/paper-mario-the-thousand-year-door-20040901112334843.jpg)
^Look at what Mario grabs a hold of :o
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TTYD was funny too... Especially whenever you use Flurry's power.
(http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/543/543717/paper-mario-the-thousand-year-door-20040901112334843.jpg)
^Look at what Mario grabs a hold of :o
I'm not even going to try and censor myself here...What. The. FUCK!
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Game Informer i never liked their reviews
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Game Informer i never liked their reviews
Ehh...I've found them to be one of the more intelligent magazines out there that covers everyone. Gamepro and EGM are full of filler (though at least EGM has entertaining filler). Plus, GI really does write good opinion pieces, and their feature stories are second to none.
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never liked their reviews most ive read ive disagreed with and felt they were to biased. I also nver found their featured pieces interesting since they are usaulyl Xbox or sony stuff that I have no interest in at all
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never liked their reviews most ive read ive disagreed with and felt they were to biased. I also nver found their featured pieces interesting since they are usaulyl Xbox or sony stuff that I have no interest in at all
Biased towards who, exactly?
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Paper Mario 2 is quite a good game, it has a few flaws but can be mostly over looked. The game has probably the best humor and best written dialog and over all does what the first one did well and ran with it. The PM series is a refreshing take on Video Games in general because they are light hearted, amusing, and very fun.
Luigi is the best in this game.
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Paper Mario 2
That's "The Thousand Year Door"?
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Yes it is.
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i always found it biased towards sony, but that was just me and i havnt read one in a few months
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Right now I am surfing the web on my Wii!!! Rock on baby!!
Its very fun
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hahah
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LMAO!
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Last night I sunk some play time into Atlus' SMT: Persona 3. I have to say the game, after an hour or so of play time seems like it is going to be awesome. It is a JRPG, mixed with your school day. I have not really gotten far so Ill give more impressions next week.
However the soundtrack is really cool, its has a jazz/J-pop/hip hop vibe to it.
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Have you tried SMT Nocturne? It's like a mature version of Pokemon and is as hard as hell, even on "easy" mode.
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No, but I am loving Persona 3 still and wish I could find more SMT games without having to pay crazy ebay prices.