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Offline Ryazania

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I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« on: May 14, 2007, 12:57:58 AM »
The Alabama Department of Homeland Security (ALDHS), established in June of 2003, has recently constructed a website that defines Domestic Terrorists as those who oppose gun control and a strong federal government.

Under the heading “Anti-Government Groups”, the site displays a flag that is widely considered one of the first symbols of American patriotism and reads, “In general, these terrorists claim that the U.S. government is infringing on their individual rights, and/or that the government's policies are criminal and immoral. Such groups may hold that the current government is violating the basic principles laid out by the U.S. Constitution…”

While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts, the page that follows reads, “Anarchists groups are the 21st Century’s version of left wing or communist groups of the last. Anarchists believe that any government or organization that has power over others…will eventually become corrupt and abusive.”

If I’m not mistaken, the idea that government, if not kept in check, will become corrupt and abusive was first made popular in this country by our founding fathers, not a bunch of terrorist anarchist groups. This was the very reason for the implementation of the United States Constitution! In fact even Section 35 of the Alabama Constitution warns of this danger is it declares, “the sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression.”

The Alabama.gov site continues, “Most of these groups operate around larger urban areas and colleges/universities… Some are focused on issues such as World Trade, International Debt, and military involvement in foreign cultures… The theme is always the same. Big [government] is bad. Rich are using the poor to stay rich. Our government in particular is using its power immorally.”

In short, if you oppose gun control, taxes, military intervention, most of our national debt being held by foreign nations, or just a large federal government, you might be a terrorist!

The very idea that those who value their personal rights and liberties are being labeled terrorists by the State of Alabama is not only absurd and egregiously offensive, it completely contradicts the ideals our federal and state governments were founded on! The people of Alabama should be outraged!

These Alabama.gov pages can be reached by visiting the Alabama Homeland Security TAP Course, clicking on "Domestic Terrorists", and then on "Anti-Government Groups".
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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2007, 01:17:45 AM »
While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts,

Totalitarianism is the maximisation of state control, communism is the complete opposite of that, the abolishment of the state in all its forms.
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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2007, 01:35:16 AM »
While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts,

Totalitarianism is the maximisation of state control, communism is the complete opposite of that, the abolishment of the state in all its forms.

Trials of communism prove otherwise.
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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2007, 01:51:50 AM »
While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts,

Totalitarianism is the maximisation of state control, communism is the complete opposite of that, the abolishment of the state in all its forms.

Trials of communism prove otherwise.

You do mean Stalinism and its other forms, do you not?
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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2007, 01:55:45 AM »
While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts,

Totalitarianism is the maximisation of state control, communism is the complete opposite of that, the abolishment of the state in all its forms.

Trials of communism prove otherwise.

You do mean Stalinism and its other forms, do you not?

Of course. They tried to be communist, and failed as outlined by Marx.
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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2007, 02:05:56 AM »
They didn't even try. They stopped at the point where they had power instead of using it to terminate itself.
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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2007, 02:09:04 AM »
Why am I even talking about that? It has nothing to do with the topic.

Anyway, the state of Alabama considers me a terrorist.
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Offline Algerianbania

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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2007, 02:11:20 AM »
You are no terrorist. If you were, then this kid I know would have shot you by now. Since that's not happening, you're not a terrorist.
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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2007, 02:38:08 AM »
extreme right <.< >.> extreme left...as i normally say I'm as afraid of one as the other.

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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2007, 02:41:11 AM »
URSS-> União das Repúblicas Soviéticas Socialistas <-w00t portuguese?

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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2007, 02:42:06 AM »
Oh.  :o I was confused for a moment.

I agree.  :o is teh bomb
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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2007, 10:25:24 PM »
That is ridiculous.  With state governments like that, maybe you guys do need the right to bear arms.

I love how the US is at war with "states which harbour terrorists" (well, "harbor" for you guys) when the US actually fits into that category, the Fenian movement never having been checked by US authorities despite the fact that it harboured killers on the run from Ireland and part-funded IRA campaigns through extortion in New England.
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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2007, 12:14:04 AM »
yet again why i hate what america is becoming....
whoops i guess i am a terrorist too, shit ryaz want to start a club?

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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2007, 12:50:24 AM »
In other words, the State of Alabama considers civil libertarians terrorists.  Never mind that Anarchism has far more to its teachings than civil liberties.  Never mind that a terrorist is not defined by political belief, but by the actions they take to express that belief.  Never mind that Communists are still threats to the government of the United States.

Yeah, you know we are  :-P

In any case, Taijitu is apparantly a terrorist group.  What makes it all the more dangerous is that we have 1000+ members, which is about 10% or more of al Quaeda's membership.  Scary.


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Re: I suppose I'm a terrorist......
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2007, 12:52:28 AM »
omg! i must hide my identity!