Taijitu
Forum Meta => Archive => General Discussion Archive => Topic started by: Ryazania on May 14, 2007, 12:57:58 AM
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The Alabama Department of Homeland Security (ALDHS), established in June of 2003, has recently constructed a website that defines Domestic Terrorists as those who oppose gun control and a strong federal government.
Under the heading “Anti-Government Groups”, the site displays a flag that is widely considered one of the first symbols of American patriotism and reads, “In general, these terrorists claim that the U.S. government is infringing on their individual rights, and/or that the government's policies are criminal and immoral. Such groups may hold that the current government is violating the basic principles laid out by the U.S. Constitution…”
While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts, the page that follows reads, “Anarchists groups are the 21st Century’s version of left wing or communist groups of the last. Anarchists believe that any government or organization that has power over others…will eventually become corrupt and abusive.”
If I’m not mistaken, the idea that government, if not kept in check, will become corrupt and abusive was first made popular in this country by our founding fathers, not a bunch of terrorist anarchist groups. This was the very reason for the implementation of the United States Constitution! In fact even Section 35 of the Alabama Constitution warns of this danger is it declares, “the sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression.”
The Alabama.gov site continues, “Most of these groups operate around larger urban areas and colleges/universities… Some are focused on issues such as World Trade, International Debt, and military involvement in foreign cultures… The theme is always the same. Big [government] is bad. Rich are using the poor to stay rich. Our government in particular is using its power immorally.”
In short, if you oppose gun control, taxes, military intervention, most of our national debt being held by foreign nations, or just a large federal government, you might be a terrorist!
The very idea that those who value their personal rights and liberties are being labeled terrorists by the State of Alabama is not only absurd and egregiously offensive, it completely contradicts the ideals our federal and state governments were founded on! The people of Alabama should be outraged!
These Alabama.gov pages can be reached by visiting the Alabama Homeland Security TAP Course, clicking on "Domestic Terrorists", and then on "Anti-Government Groups".
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While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts,
Totalitarianism is the maximisation of state control, communism is the complete opposite of that, the abolishment of the state in all its forms.
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While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts,
Totalitarianism is the maximisation of state control, communism is the complete opposite of that, the abolishment of the state in all its forms.
Trials of communism prove otherwise.
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While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts,
Totalitarianism is the maximisation of state control, communism is the complete opposite of that, the abolishment of the state in all its forms.
Trials of communism prove otherwise.
You do mean Stalinism and its other forms, do you not?
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While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts,
Totalitarianism is the maximisation of state control, communism is the complete opposite of that, the abolishment of the state in all its forms.
Trials of communism prove otherwise.
You do mean Stalinism and its other forms, do you not?
Of course. They tried to be communist, and failed as outlined by Marx.
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They didn't even try. They stopped at the point where they had power instead of using it to terminate itself.
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Why am I even talking about that? It has nothing to do with the topic.
Anyway, the state of Alabama considers me a terrorist.
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You are no terrorist. If you were, then this kid I know would have shot you by now. Since that's not happening, you're not a terrorist.
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extreme right <.< >.> extreme left...as i normally say I'm as afraid of one as the other.
Hittler ::) Polland ::) Stalin
USA ::) Afghanistan ::) URSS
:o <- this smiley also rocks.
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URSS-> União das Repúblicas Soviéticas Socialistas <-w00t portuguese?
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Oh. :o I was confused for a moment.
I agree. :o is teh bomb
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That is ridiculous. With state governments like that, maybe you guys do need the right to bear arms.
I love how the US is at war with "states which harbour terrorists" (well, "harbor" for you guys) when the US actually fits into that category, the Fenian movement never having been checked by US authorities despite the fact that it harboured killers on the run from Ireland and part-funded IRA campaigns through extortion in New England.
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yet again why i hate what america is becoming....
whoops i guess i am a terrorist too, shit ryaz want to start a club?
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In other words, the State of Alabama considers civil libertarians terrorists. Never mind that Anarchism has far more to its teachings than civil liberties. Never mind that a terrorist is not defined by political belief, but by the actions they take to express that belief. Never mind that Communists are still threats to the government of the United States.
Yeah, you know we are :-P
In any case, Taijitu is apparantly a terrorist group. What makes it all the more dangerous is that we have 1000+ members, which is about 10% or more of al Quaeda's membership. Scary.
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omg! i must hide my identity!
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I hate to say it, but I'm not really surprised. Alabama's government doesn't exactly have a good track record. Not to mention the fact that we're dealing with politicians here. What can I say? It's what they do.
Okay, pass me the signup sheet too.
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This is exactly WHY I support the US Second Amendment. I may be a Demi-Socialist, and I may favor individual rights and freedoms, I AM NOT a terrorist.
Isn't Alabama the state where they persecuted non-WASPs until the 1960s? And still have cross-burnings sometimes?
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That'd be the place.
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Alabama has the annual Burn For Christ religious festival (and barbeque).
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I'm Canadian, apparently that automatically qualifies me as a terrorist. but then we did burn down the white house that one time, i guess the us government is still a bit sore about that.
Technically it was the British, but that's not the point. well if I'm a terrorist i may as well act like it. look at me! i disagree!
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ROTFL @^ and what am I then? A swede who not only disagrees but also claim that anyone calling themselves christians while supporting non-defencive wars (like Irak and Afghanistan) are heretics.
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KR, that makes you right.
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Now, Naur, if you're going to act like a terrorist, then you have to wave some guns or bombs or something when you say that. Otherwise, you're hardly trying.
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Does wearing belts of m13 desintegrating links and dummy 7,62mm MG rounds around the neck count then?
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:D Sheesh... I hope the US gov't doesn't find this site, or we'd all be arrested, lol... :D
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Honestly, it is pretty evident that Alabama just did a poor job of explaining what they see as terrorists. I don't think they intend to claim that your average Libertarian is a terrorist. More of the type that advocates the violent removal of the government as was popular with the militia movement in th 1990s.
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Does wearing belts of m13 desintegrating links and dummy 7,62mm MG rounds around the neck count then?
Oh yes, Empire, I'm sure it does. Well done.
Honestly, it is pretty evident that Alabama just did a poor job of explaining what they see as terrorists.
And Stillwaters - you're making the assumption that these politicians are reasonable, intelligent, and well-intentioned people. That's a bit much to expect from a state government with their track record.
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Honestly, it is pretty evident that Alabama just did a poor job of explaining what they see as terrorists. I don't think they intend to claim that your average Libertarian is a terrorist. More of the type that advocates the violent removal of the government as was popular with the militia movement in th 1990s.
well if you remember the US government has a record for doing just that, they used to lock up all communists and anarchist. why not add libertarians and any other thinking people to the list?
see you all in guantonamo!
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Regarding anarchism and communism, I'd like to bring up an interesting point:
ANARCHO-COMMUNISM.
Yes it exists.
Definition: "advocates the abolition of the State and capitalism in favor of a horizontal network of voluntary associations, workers' councils and/or commons through which everyone will be free to satisfy their needs".
So, even though they are polar opposites, Anarchism can be reconciled with Communism in a certain sense.
Just thought I'd bring that up.
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well if you remember the US government has a record for doing just that, they used to lock up all communists and anarchist. why not add libertarians and any other thinking people to the list?
Remember what happened to John Lennon? Such a danger to society, eh? Make love not war and all that. That's what free speech gets you. People start thinking for themselves. That's a slippery slope, my friend, that only leads to them giving the politicians trouble. Just can't have that, now, can we?
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Quit raggin' on 'Bama, it isn't such a bad place.....
/me is sad that people think badly of his home state