Taijitu
Forum Meta => Archive => General Discussion Archive => Topic started by: Stellaris on January 06, 2007, 08:39:40 PM
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What shape will Taijituian Government take in the future? Will it be akin to the Lexicon in structure aside from founder controls or will we have more or fewer offices to be held. Governors? Directors? Senate? Army? Recruiting? Confederacy? Personally I long to see theabsolute right of democracy in Taijitu laid down in the charter. The reason the Lexicon has failed is because it isn't in their's.
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Does someone know something I don't? I designed this so we could debate what structure we actually wanted.
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Personally, I'd like a Republic.
Have alphabetical districts that elect one of their own from the district to be a senator.
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Yes, will we adopt a similair approach to that of the old native senate or with a more limited number of seats. Personally I would like there to be say 2o seats when we get larger and we have a form of vote where the top twenty form the senate.
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Hibernia, a republic such as you envisage takes a LOT of active nations to make it work. All the regions I have known that have tried it have seen it fail through inactivity.
NS is ideally suited to Direct democracy, in a way that real life is not. Countries such as Britain and America have to have representative democracy. NS regions can have participation by all citizens, and offices held by people directly elected.
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Well, if it's the structure of government that you are curious about then I'd take a look at the Constitution we're developing right now. It's on public display after all ;)
And as it stands it will be Direct Democracy. Republic is a bit silly since as Flemingnovia notes there is no population to really be represented by representatives, just nations all about.
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While I do think Governors may be added into the constitution, I don't think they should be legislative.
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Will the senate have a greater role in politics than it did in the Lex?
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The problem with the Senate was that it was more like a 'club' than a law-making body. Its main function was to admit other Senators and actual legislation was rarely voted upon except either to admit new senators or get rid of inactive ones.
That is why I would like to see more elected positions in this region so more people can participate.
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The lack of legislation is one reason I didn't join the Senate. It didn't seem to offer much that I couldn't get as a citizen, except the chance to vote for Delegate.
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That was enough for me. I don't like having too much power, on the chance that I'll cock it up.
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Will the offices of directors be ingrained in the constitution or simply on a preference basis to the delegate?
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Mostly the latter I think.
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I would like to see less apointed positions. Appointment for to many things isnt that great. And I think the Senate, or what ever it gets called should have the ability to cheak the Delegate and the Executive. The Executive has a vast amount of power in this system, I think more should be open to the people of the region and more power spread to them.
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i think we shold have a a decomary but with some twists. insted of 1 guy in charge, he thinks olaws and blah blah blah, i say insetd of 1 guy we have 3 guys! the rest of the nations vote while the 3 guys talk among themsleves on whiter or not the law be passe dif its accpeted by the majorty.
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I concur with Shartor Kidding
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Actually, I believe Switzerland's executive consists of no less then seven people :P
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I loved the Senate, and I hope to see it return. Now I saw a few people complain about how the senate never did anything, and oddly enough it was all senators. The Senate is only as strong as each senator makes it. I found very few people even read some of the great Proposals Elu, made in the Lexicon and its easy to blame the collective senate, but honestly, I didnt see you do a better job at it.
I think we should elect a President, who then gets to appoint cabinet members. The President would have to declear who he will pick for his Cabinet members if he shall win and what positions should be in the cabinet. That way we know who we are electing, voting for every position is a hassle, and unnecessary. This combined with the Senate could be a very effective democratic government.
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I think a succesful region offers something for every type of gameplay. There are those who love roleplay, love ooc, love military etc.
Equally there are those who love the process of drafting and campaigning for legislation, and Taijitu ought to offer that too. The more opportunities for participation Taijitu offers, particularly to newer members, the sronger it will be.
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I agree with Flem. We should offer something for everyone. It keeps a players interest up if they can actively participate.
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It needs more ladder matches, brother!
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Ooh...
Maybe we should replace all political debate with pitched combat ;D
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I think all people over 100 posts shall decide together what happens, which Law they made etc..
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Democracy by postcount is not a good system.
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Look at the US Senate. The ones with the most seniority are the most corrupt.
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Yeah, the 2 Dems with the most seniority have been in the KKK and killed a woman.
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i like the idea af muli person executive branch.
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Then let everyone vote. That would be the fairest choice.
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That's oligarchy Terrazac. Not something I think would be terribly popular.
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no, it is a MODFIED olbraichy.
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Olbraichy?
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you know, the old greek sytle of govment that they had(expect for athens) where only a small group of men rule the entrie city-state
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You mean oligarchy?
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yes
(English is my native langue, i just suck at speeling it)
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Could someone be so kind as to quickly remind me of the actual function and effects of the Taijitu government?
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The Constitution of Taijitu (http://forum.taijitu.org/index.php/topic,251.0.html)
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I see. That's so cute, I could cuddle it.
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I see. That's so cute, I could cuddle it.
Heheh.
But do you mean what I think you mean?
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I don't know Elu, what do you think I mean?
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I'm not telling you :-P
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i think it will still be good but with a diffrent goverment
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In what form Shackfold? (Do you mind if I just call you Shaq for short?) I'm just curious to know how you see the role and actions of our current government, and what suggestions you'd have to improve or change it.
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Well, I'm not Shaq, but I believe we need much more control over the founder nation. That needs to be held under lock and key even from the Delegate. Much like the US President cannot declare war without the Senate's approval, our Delegate should not be able to take control of the founder nation for any reason without express (if not unanimous) Senate approval.
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Trey, you're not Shaq(uille O'Neal)?
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Sadly, no. Though I am black, I will probably end up a good foot shorter than Shaq, and I won't have the rings or millions of dollars (not from the NBA, at least).
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Look, I don't think constitutional change is necessary here.
Firstly, the power to eject already belongs to the Delegate (the person) and not the Founders by the Constitution; the Delegate having the Founder Nation do it is equivalent, just better in terms of influence.
Secondly, the Delegate is already constitutionally required to follow Senate Law on the matters of ejection. If the Senate were to make a law that further restricted ejections, they would be further restricted. If you read the law (http://wiki.taijitu.org/index.php?title=The_Taijitan_Code_of_Laws#Article_II:_Legal_and_Judicial_Process) they are currently only somewhat restricted. Simply changing that law around a bit would be enough for your purposes.
I like the flexibility of the current system which gives the Senate great power to change things around. I'd prefer to leave it that way.
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So there's no rule on someone being ejected for any other reason than "disorderly conduct" or the equivalent?
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There currently is not a rule outlining what is grounds for ejection from the region, no.
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We the Undersigned, in the spirit of cooperation and fraternity, with the expressed and deliberate intent to combat tyranny and prejudice, and to promote democracy and fair justice, do hereby accept the tenets enumerated herein as the Supreme Law of Taijitu:
Blah, blah, blah.
Could we have democracy and fair justice? I mean, it'd be pretty nice.
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You certainly don't sound like someone who's not interested in the politics of the region, as I understood you to be saying on IRC. :trout:
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Wait, why did you gravedig this?
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Because you have 1337 Tai and it's 1337 day today.