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Title: Government 2.0
Post by: OF JUSTICE AND FREEDOM on July 23, 2007, 07:20:56 PM
Here's the idea:

Head of the region is The Taijitu Delegate. The Head of Taijitu shall, on the nomination of Chamber of Representatives, appoint the head of government. The Delegate shall sign every Law, other than a Law relating to its powers and will also be chief diplomatic officer.

Executive power is exercised by the government. Government is made of the head of government and the Ministries, the institutions subordinated to it. Government agencies may produce services like:
    * Communications
    * Education (e.g. community college)
    * Emergency services
    * Entertainment (e.g. Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
    * Entitlements
    * Financial services
    * Financing
    * Fire fighting
    * Healthcare
    * Insurance
    * Law
    * Law enforcement
    * Police
    * Postal service
    * Transport (e.g. government transportation)

     Legislative power is vested in both the government and the two chambers of parliament, the Chamber of Representatives and the Senate.
    1. The Senate exists solely for the purpose of scrutinize and possibly vetoing legislation that may have been drafted over-hastily by of the The Chamber of Representatives, and to suggest amendments. The Head of Taijitu cannot ratify treaties without the advice and consent of the Senate. The senate has 6 seats which are won by individual members that want to take part in the elections for this positions. It is meant to protect the minorities against the 'tyranny of the majority', and represent the wisdom of the region.
    2. The Chamber of Representatives is directly elected by the member nations of Taijitu by direct popular vote on a proportional representation. The Chamber of Representatives has 14 seats which are won by the political parties (Zocalo) of Taijitu or Independents. The party decides which members of their party will fill the positions won in the election.

The judiciary is independent of the executive and the legislature.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Solnath on July 23, 2007, 07:27:58 PM
Other than the fact that the seat counts should be odd, I like the idea.

But the main question is: is it better than the one we have?
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: OF JUSTICE AND FREEDOM on July 23, 2007, 08:01:47 PM
The seat number was given as an example, we can change it if you want.
I think this is better, because it will involve political parties (a lot) more, giving more realism/fun/social interaction to the whole game :). Plus, it will be educational also :P...
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Trey on July 23, 2007, 11:09:00 PM
It doesn't seem like much of an improvement over our current system as much as a kneejerk reaction to the events of July 21st.  Plus, how difficult would this be to implement?
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: OF JUSTICE AND FREEDOM on July 24, 2007, 08:32:06 AM
To be honest it has nothing to do with July 21st. I just want to see (a lot) more implication in politics of Taijitu Political Parties (Zocalo).
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Solnath on July 24, 2007, 08:35:31 AM
The difficulty isn't an issue. Whether or not it's an improvement or not is.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Khem on July 24, 2007, 08:47:08 AM
agreed with my beloved comrade and runningmate.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Trey on July 24, 2007, 07:14:36 PM
True, true...I'm just worried that pushing a revolution in government is going to cause more confusion (at least initially) than good.  At the very least, we need to wait until the Delegacy is settled.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Solnath on July 24, 2007, 07:16:14 PM
Name one revolution that was a bad idea.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Allama on July 24, 2007, 07:19:18 PM
Dance Dance Revolution.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Solnath on July 24, 2007, 07:22:46 PM
Hey! I like DDR!
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Trey on July 24, 2007, 07:46:21 PM
Dance Dance Revolution.

There's one.

But seriously, revolution comes when the people are oppressed for long periods of time and extremely angry at their rulers.  With the exception of the last few days, we have not had a reason to be angry at our higher ups, and most Taiji wouldn't call themselves opressed (in my opinion).
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Solnath on July 24, 2007, 07:55:07 PM
The philosophical revolution (Enlightenment?) and the industrial revolution weren't really that much results of oppression rather than leaps in development.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Trey on July 24, 2007, 08:31:43 PM
Ahh yes, the non-political (though nothing is really apolitical) revolutions.  However, this one would be a largely political revolution; also, is merely adding another house a major development worthy of revolution?
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Solnath on July 24, 2007, 08:40:10 PM
I'll evaluate the pros and cons of this specific proposal when Alex comes back; Max is far from qualified.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Trey on July 24, 2007, 09:00:20 PM
I'm trying to figure this out...are Alex and Max your two alter egos?
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Solnath on July 24, 2007, 09:17:45 PM
Basically, yes. I seriously need Alex to clarify the matter in my/our blog.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Omnipius on July 24, 2007, 09:29:48 PM
I see no need for an entirely new government at this time. Perhaps a few tweaks to guard against a repeat of 07/21/07 and to get the community more involved.

Personally, if I were to rethink a government from scratch I'd say monkey with the NS system a bit. I would suggest dramatically decreasing the time requirement for become a voter so that citizens may become more active more quickly. Additionally, have a branch of government devoted to maintaining the founder nation (perhaps a charge for the Judiciary). The Senate would be defacto elected by consisting of the top 20% most endorsed nations in Taijitu that hold citizenship and voting rights but do not hold a post as the Executive or in the Judiciary. From there things could progress much as they do in RL US government with a few game related changes. The Judiciary would be required to use the founder nation as per any instruction given by 2/3 majority of the Senate, typically for the purpose of restraining a rogue Executive. The Minister of Defense would also be barred from a senate seat as their nation would also hold a large number of endorsements for the purpose of maintaining a significant military force at the ready.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Solnath on July 24, 2007, 09:35:07 PM
Are we going to call it 7/21? Sheesh.

The Senate is based on interest in the community, not endotarting and NS mechanics.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Trey on July 24, 2007, 09:43:32 PM
Yes, yes we are...it needs a name, doesn't it?

But you're right about the Senate.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Omnipius on July 24, 2007, 09:53:19 PM
Like I said, I'm fine with things they way they are. Just batting around ideas on how things could be improved. One thing that needs improvement in community involvement and that's what my idea was focusing on.
Title: Re: Government 2.0
Post by: Solnath on July 24, 2007, 09:56:37 PM
The original proposition was interesting in the effect that parties would be integrated, but as I mentioned, review will have to wait.