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Offline LLANYDERN

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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2007, 04:04:33 PM »
well someone had to bring up the dreaded word oil...
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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2007, 04:38:21 PM »
My personal opinion is that the US is far too dependent on oil.  If you live in a large city, there's generally public transportation, but most people live in the suburbs or rural areas where there is little to none.  Where I live, there is NO public transportation at all.  It's a 20 minute drive to the nearest grocery store, 30 minutes to the closest hospital, 45 minutes to the local police department. 

Not only does every family have to drive everywhere, but we have to have TWO cars, since most married couples don't work at the same place and not necessarily even the same shifts.  Not to mention the teens who have their own cars too, who often have to be at work before their parents can be home to drive them there.  It's such a common everyday thing here that people don't even think about it. 

The problem with non-urban areas is that the people are so spread out.  A bus system isn't feasible in my area because of the cost.  If they priced the fares high enough to cover it, traveling by car would still end up being much cheaper.  An example is our public school.  My son's school is a 14 minute drive away.  Yet he sits on a schoolbus for an hour each way, only because there's so much distance between each home that has children out here.  Not every area is that bad, of course, but it's a good example of the problem.
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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2007, 05:03:48 PM »
i can see difficulties in having a stronger and bigger public transportation in let's say New York, but it's possible.

I guess what happens to Khab's area happens everywhere in the world, but the American suburbs is filled with people. For example, my city (more like town) had installed new public transports now. Before there was no public transports beyond taxis, regional bus, and old train station of the western railway.

I bet all those ideas of big public transport nets have been shocked by oil lords.

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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2007, 05:17:54 AM »
The suburbs here don't generally have much by way of public transport either.  Some have a bus that comes twice a day - once in the morning and once in the evening, to coincide with the usual 9-5 workday.  But that's only usable if a person can find a ride to the bus stops, which are few and far between, and work on the bus route, which only heads straight to the nearest sizable city.  And then, it's only helpful if the person does work that shift and never has to work late.  Taxis will come to the suburbs from that city sometimes, but the cost is exorbitant because of the distance they have to travel from their usual routes.  Trains are generally non-existent except for a few very old freight lines - nothing for passengers.  That's the way things are in the placed I've lived; I imagine it may vary a bit in places.

In NYC, they have what I'm told is a very good subway system, and taxis are commonplace.  I have no idea whether busses are popular there; I hear that the traffic is terribly slow because of the congestion. 
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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2007, 05:28:27 AM »
I agree, the US is way too dependant upon oil, or at least oil from foreign countries. Too risky, ya get some yahoo like Chavez, or OPEC decides to dick us around some, and we're screwed. The sad damn thing about it, is that the US has the potential to be oil and energy sufficient. If we'd just realise our full oil production and refinement potential, and get the rest of the alternative fuel sources going, like we shoulda friggin done years ago, we'd be fine. No excuse for it.


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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2007, 12:23:40 PM »
Your public transport systems make ours sound like it was based on personal teleporters...

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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2007, 12:58:29 PM »
I think the nation thats handled oil the best is Norway

After oil was discovered there they used the profits to build renewable power supplies for the country so they export almost all their oil and use hardly any themselves.

Compare that to what Britains done which is to go "yay we found gas and oil now we can run on fossil fuels for ever!!!!"
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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2007, 01:11:12 PM »
yeap, and Portuguese companies gone exploring oil somewhere else in the world while we have oil in the coast that no-one exploits (and i do like it that way).

And it's Venezuelan oil, not American, so they have the last word. Stop spending 75% of the world's oil and probably you will gonna make it after hybrid and other combusters are installed in the market :p

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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2007, 01:47:11 PM »
meh I'm waiting for America's economy to collapse, to me it seems like we're heading for another major depression (what with whats happening to China (and so the rest of Asia) America going down and Britain seeming to follow)

On the plus side I should be able to afford a house then  :drunks:
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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2007, 02:25:26 PM »
me too. as i normally say, USA has been avoiding crashes since the 2000 as far as i know, i would dare to say since Vietnam. The longer you stay avoiding the stronger the crash will be...either mutate your economy so it doesn't crash or keep paying taxes to be spent on military invasions. I guess it's why USA haven't been really attacked yet...they are waiting...and waiting...and waiting, in the shadows. lol, who knows...

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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2007, 03:31:24 PM »
I am one of those waiting in the shadowsn, though I doubt my wait will ever ammount to anything since I won't ever ammount the resources when I keep living life instead :P

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Re: Forget Chavez's oppression of freedom of speech, Bush invaded Iraq!
« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2007, 12:47:43 PM »
Britain much the same
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